Havoc cycle help

tyjacobs

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Hey guys just got a hold of a bottle of Havoc RPN. My current stats are 5 10 180 pounds looking to get to 200 by the summer time.
I know a SERM is the go to pct but if I cant get a hold of one what would be the next best thing for a pct?
Im curious if theres any decent otc ones that could work with a havoc cycle. Any input would be great and thanks in advance for the help!
 
prob the best OTC counter PCT is the TRS stack from Primordial Performance
 
How could you not get your hands on a SERM?....

Get one from a research site for your lab rats.


You'll regret choosing an OTC PCT
 
No SERM / No Cycle
But if you choose do it and you want to take the risk anyway, I think the best ΟΤC PCT is Reversitol V1. However I would take SERM.:wink1:
 
unfortunately Reversitol v1 is long gone :(
and v2 is just garbage
 
uniifirex said:
How could you not get your hands on a SERM?....

Get one from a research site for your lab rats.

You'll regret choosing an OTC PCT
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This^^^^ absolutely just as easy as getting a tub of protein.
 
yeah bro if you cant get a serm dont run a cycle.. youd prob lose all if not most of your gains and youd just be hurting yourself
 
My only concern is that research chems for "lab rats" seem kinda sketchy and say not for human consumption. Anyone have feedback from using these?
 
Roniboney said:
Not true you can still get it on loads of sites
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Why dose an OCT PCT that illegal now , when obviously you can find a SERM as Demo also stated? They are both illegal.


tyjacobs said:
My only concern is that research chems for "lab rats" seem kinda sketchy and say not for human consumption. Anyone have feedback from using these?
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Dude, half to more than half of the people who take a SERM get it via liquids from research sites, thats why they are for "lab rats" because they arent for human consumption.
 
uniifirex said:
Why dose an OCT PCT that illegal now , when obviously you can find a SERM as Demo also stated? They are both illegal.





Dude, half to more than half of the people who take a SERM get it via liquids from research sites, thats why they are for "lab rats" because they arent for human consumption.
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Yea there is really no argument. if you do your homework serm's are safe and very available and probably half the price of a otc pct and you will have it at your door step in 3 days. if your that concerned with the process then got otc. then after that you'll be using google to find a serm.
 
uniifirex said:
Why dose an OCT PCT that illegal now , when obviously you can find a SERM as Demo also stated? They are both illegal.





Dude, half to more than half of the people who take a SERM get it via liquids from research sites, thats why they are for "lab rats" because they arent for human consumption.
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Don't worry I wasn't suggesting going OTC with PCT.

He should get a SERM.If he doesn't want one then he shouldn't cycle,if he's going to anyways then we have to help him out so that he won't give PH's a bad name if he effs himself up with a crappy OTC PCT
 
Precisely why PH's have a bad name, teens take them, either don't PCT or take and OTC PCT, then get all screwed up and QQ about it and wonder where they went wrong.


le sigh at society
 
uniifirex said:
Precisely why PH's have a bad name, teens take them, either don't PCT or take and OTC PCT, then get all screwed up and QQ about it and wonder where they went wrong.


le sigh at society
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Too right mate.I'm on my 2nd last day of a 6 week epistane cycle and my borther tells me about a guy in his year in school who's taking Epi(he's 17).I'm 23 in a few days with over 5 years of training under my belt and I told your man to stop.He tells me its ok cos you can't get gyno on Epistane.He didn't even know that it was an AI and thats why he was unlikely to get gyno and he doesn't even know what a PCT is.Well I set him on his merry way and told him to at least pick up some active extreme,lean xtreme and triazole(in Ireland they seem to be the only PCT products you can buy without buying online).

I hope he does,his endocrine system will thank me if he does,if not he'll be another Taylor Hooton case.
 
Yeah i have a mate that ran a PH( same one i ran) in JUNE of 2011....

Difference is, i used a SERM, he used a OTC PCT (tribulus was only ingrediant besides random dueretics and arganine)

To this day, how many months later? his sex drive is all screwed up he tells me constantly how its all ****ed up because of that.

The main problem is not gyno, its your E2 levels.

Also the whole epi is an AI and pick up some extreme lean and all that, i dont research ANY OTC PCT/PH's
I really find no use in using a PH unless its to jumpstart a cycle in replace of orals, like replacing your dbol the first few weeks of a cycle.

Otherwise i'd stick with AAS.
 
Ok so far all the research chems Ive looked at have explicit warnings saying that the solution is not sterile and is harmful if ingested. I know asking for sources is against the rules but do all the liquid Serms state this for liability reasons?
 
they state this for liability reasons and to be able to sell them as research compounds and not perscriptions.
 
uniifirex said:
Yeah i have a mate that ran a PH( same one i ran) in JUNE of 2011....

Difference is, i used a SERM, he used a OTC PCT (tribulus was only ingrediant besides random dueretics and arganine)

To this day, how many months later? his sex drive is all screwed up he tells me constantly how its all ****ed up because of that.

The main problem is not gyno, its your E2 levels.

Also the whole epi is an AI and pick up some extreme lean and all that, i dont research ANY OTC PCT/PH's
I really find no use in using a PH unless its to jumpstart a cycle in replace of orals, like replacing your dbol the first few weeks of a cycle.

Otherwise i'd stick with AAS.
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Most of the people here have not worked up to sticking a needle into themselves.I wish I was brave enough atm but until I learn how to properly inject I'll stay away from Test-E and all that good stuff
 
the injects are easy, it is finding a source you trust that has good prices/quality that is difficult these days.
 
ManBeast said:
the injects are easy, it is finding a source you trust that has good prices/quality that is difficult these days.
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I'd always be a little afraid but I guess after the first few injects I'd be fine.

ManBeast have you ever done an inject cycle?
 
yes, two, one test-e and tren with a dbol kicker, and the other test prop.
 
ManBeast said:
yes, two, one test-e and tren with a dbol kicker, and the other test prop.
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Did you bulk on the test-e and cut on the prop? Dunno why I would think that but test-prop is faster acting isn't it,which would make sense for a cut.

And the test-e takes 4-5 weeks to kick in right?Hence the d-bol?


You legitimately seem like the best person to ask these questions to cos your less inclined to call me a dumbass :)
 
Yes, I only cut on the prop cuz i wanted to cut for 6 weeks, and using enan for that would be dumb. I don't mind injecting EOD, but if I don't have to I won't (less chance of buildng up scar tissue).
 
There are tons of safe domestic sources, need to do your fair share of research, i would recommend a site that has information on domestic sources if you PM me otherwise forum rules.

Also, i always pin my mate the first time give them a walkthrough, gets the fear out of your head

also @ ManBeast, even running prop and E(sticking 4-5 times a week)
you've got atleast 6 safe spots that are convenient to stick, long as your a week apart i think your safe not to build up scar tissue, since youll be atleast 1 1/2-2 weeks before hitting multiple spots
 
Oh, I know this, I used delts, 2 spots on each quad and glutes, I pick the compound(s) to fit the goals and go from there. I'll defnitely be putting in my due dilligence on finding a source here soon, itching to pin again lol.
 
ManBeast said:
Yes, I only cut on the prop cuz i wanted to cut for 6 weeks, and using enan for that would be dumb. I don't mind injecting EOD, but if I don't have to I won't (less chance of buildng up scar tissue).
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That sounds smart enough.I'll be getting my feet wet with 2-3 more PH cycles before moving onto injectibles.My gf will inject me(took a while to convince her) but its the sheer fact that I'd have to locate needles,run an AI on cycle and probably spend a lot more than a PH that deters me.

Can I ask a few personal questions though about your cycles?
 
I actually have a very good source.Its where I got my Nolva.I had originally gotten a research chem Nolva but I bought a Pharma Grade from a source who is a Pharmacist :) He has everything and is especially good for shipping to Ireland.His stuff is never checked by customs cos its form the UK(some sort of trading laws).

So as you see I have no problems getting my stuff its just I am afraid to put a 1.5 inch needle into my delts without having someone who knows how to inject showing my what to do every step of the way.
 
I pinned my first time, and last time. Never had someone do it for me, although i help mates who are in your state of mind.
Always started with quads since you can use both hands.

Personally, i pay just as much, if not LESS for AAS instead of a PH. Most of my mates pay more than me actually, with all the stacking and such.
 
Sure, if you'd rather pm me its fine.

Manbeast
 
Ok so now im thinking of running a 4 week cycle with pct nolva dosed at 20,20,10,10. I will also be using liver assist throughout, should I throw in anything else or will this be sufficient pct?
 
uniifirex said:
Not sure if clomid would be necessary for such a short cycle.
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Nolva will do just fine.

Run a SERM
Keep up the liver xt
Run a test booster
A cortisol blocker and maybe some NAC if you'd like
HCGenerate gets great reviews also for getting libido going again


Bout to start my PCT in 10 minutes.First Nolva dosing I've ever done.

Good luck OP
 
Roniboney said:
Nolva will do just fine.

Run a SERM
Keep up the liver xt
Run a test booster
A cortisol blocker and maybe some NAC if you'd like
HCGenerate gets great reviews also for getting libido going again


Bout to start my PCT in 10 minutes.First Nolva dosing I've ever done.

Good luck OP
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Yeah drop a simple tribulus bottle or ZMA's less you take that on a basis.

Make sure you eat heavy too ;)
 
i was also thinking about running a havoc cycle, do you think i could get away with using an over the counter pct, i was planning on doing a short cycle with low dose, probably starting with 10 and ending with 20. because i cant get a serm so if that would be to bad than i would just not take a cycle at all
 
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