Havoc cycle, add 11 oxo?

[Tight1]

Hi guys

Been out of the PH game a while. Looking to do a Havoc cycle & getting as lean as possible. Is it worth adding 11 oxo into the mix? I assume dosing is the key factor, but I'm reading mixed things about what the sweet spot would be?
Thanks

 

[Sparta12]

Epi and dermacrine, I love 45mg for 6 weeks, but I have seen people go to 60mg and had great results. Get a good joint support and fish oil

 

[Afi140]

Oral 11 I would do 500mg min and topical 125-250mg daily. Would work nicely with Epi and so would dermacrine as stated above.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/dermacrine-by-iconic-formulations

 

[Bigmatt57]

Epi and dermacrine, I love 45mg for 6 weeks, but I have seen people go to 60mg and had great results. Get a good joint support and fish oil

Definitely agree, without a base you feel awful on Epistane, I speak from experience.