Has TRT killed your sex drive?

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What i dont understand about TRT is this.

Ok im getting on but nowhere past it and still pushing weights,

Supposedly the test im getting brings me in line with the younger man and to this end i consider myself fortunate.

Iknow the dose im getting is not likely to make a great impact on muscle building but nevertheless i am at an advantage to those of a similar age who are not on trt and continue to weight train.

So what carnt i understand ? well i dont understand why i dont have any increase in libido. Why i dont have any desire to have sex , either with a partner or myself -if you get my drift.Ive been on trt for over 5 years so have i got accustomed to it.?

Theres quite a simple approach to trt here in the UK from my experience -you see a doctor and he runs tests to see if you have low t , you get reffered to an endo who looked at my balls and asked if i wanted a biopsy which he didnt recommend , and agreed i needed to be on trt.

No follow up vist, no tests to see what impact there might be on other hormones , estrogen in particular. Once its prescribed its for life( i hope)
Im currently taking diim and alternating with indole 3 carbinol , and pygeum along with 15mg of zinc -could these be having an impact?

Could weight training be killing my sex drive?

im baffled , im getting all this test but sexually it seems to be doing nothing .

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How much test are you taking?
 
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need properly evaluations to look why
Adrenal, thyroid, e2, ect.
 
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man theres a lot more to libido than test levels. you really need to have a full hormone panel done and see where everything is. for all you know it could be psychological. adding stuff, whether otc or prescription without knowing whether you need it or not is potentially counter productive.

so do you just use test? no ai or hcg? inj or cream? ive read that creams are better for libido due to conversion to dht. ive been on inj for a couple years and no issues with libido
 
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Sounds like he can''t get the full blood panel, or even a follow up. I'm wondering if he's under-dosed, like 100mgs every three weeks?
 
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Sounds like he can''t get the full blood panel, or even a follow up. I'm wondering if he's under-dosed, like 100mgs every three weeks?

yeah who knows. gotta love socialist medicine
 
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Sounds like he can''t get the full blood panel, or even a follow up. I'm wondering if he's under-dosed, like 100mgs every three weeks?
the product is NEBIDO -test undeconate in an oil base
Each ml solution for injection contains 250 mg testosterone undecanoate corresponding to 157.9 mg testosterone. Each ampoule with 4 ml solution for injection contains 1000 mg testosterone undecanoate

this product is designed to last 10-12 weeks , i have a fresh inj every 11
 

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I thought the half life was more like 4-5 weeks on that stuff. Are you sure about 10-12? I bet your e2 is high. Mine was a few weeks ago and my libido was trashed. Some aromasin and I was good to go again.
 
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Mine has been better and also worse on TRT. There's times I've gone over a week without wanting to watch porn or even think much about sex, to basically getting myself in trouble for going overboard on the women/dating/etc.

Very good points above. Yoiu need to make sure everything else is balanced.

The two main factors for libido on TRT are going to be good DHT levels, and E2 (estradiol) in a healthy range. Of course there are many other factors though,
 
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This is the sh^t they want to bring to America. NO THANKS OBAMA..
I'm a Canadian living in the US. You guys can't be serious!

Health practitioners' main focus here in the US is not our health, it's our money. They are vultures here! Everything in the health system in the USA is about greed and money, and if you - the individual - don't take your health into your own hands and get to know everything about yourself, you're basically screwed here. Very very difficult to get a very compassionate/dedicated/cutting edge Dr in the States. I'm sure they exist but it's not the norm here.

There is also nothing socialist about the health care plan here or in Canada/Europe either. The definition of 'socialist' has been so extremely skewed by the GOP it's ridiculous and almost laughable as an outsider looking into American politics.

Opinion: ObamaCare Socialism? Not on Your Life

Ever since the 60's, Americans seem utterly paranoid about the term 'socialism', it's crazy here.
 
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GOv't will choice what test you can and cannot have deem appropriate. Not my idea of good medicine..
 
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I'm a Canadian living in the US. You guys can't be serious!

Health practitioners' main focus here in the US is not our health, it's our money. They are vultures here! Everything in the health system in the USA is about greed and money, and if you - the individual - don't take your health into your own hands and get to know everything about yourself, you're basically screwed here. Very very difficult to get a very compassionate/dedicated/cutting edge Dr in the States. I'm sure they exist but it's not the norm here.

There is also nothing socialist about the health care plan here or in Canada/Europe either. The definition of 'socialist' has been so extremely skewed by the GOP it's ridiculous and almost laughable as an outsider looking into American politics.

Opinion: ObamaCare Socialism? Not on Your Life

Ever since the 60's, Americans seem utterly paranoid about the term 'socialism', it's crazy here.
when i went to surgeon without having to see a regular dr first i was operated on(shoulder not emergency) within 7 days. how long would that process take in a "socialist" medicine society? gutter you know i like you but if its so f'd up here you can always go back to where you came from. just sayin no hatin but i love how all these immigrants have so many negatives to say about our country but never want to go back to their own
 
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when i went to surgeon without having to see a regular dr first i was operated on(shoulder not emergency) within 7 days. how long would that process take in a "socialist" medicine society? gutter you know i like you but if its so f'd up here you can always go back to where you came from. just sayin no hatin but i love how all these immigrants have so many negatives to say about our country but never want to go back to their own
You saying.."love it or leave it"??
 

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I thought the half life was more like 4-5 weeks on that stuff. Are you sure about 10-12? I bet your e2 is high. Mine was a few weeks ago and my libido was trashed. Some aromasin and I was good to go again.
its the time given by the manufacturer.

i forgot to mention i did get my e2 levels measured once , my doc agreed to it after he saw my reasoning.It was off scale at the top end but his argument was , it would fall back into the range as the level of test declined.
it was reffered back to the endo who replied that e levels were never to be measured again!
As i see it as the test levels falls , e remains in the upper range.i understand e declines slower than test but correct me on anything if im wrong.

What i had thought of doing , is treating the last 2 or 3 weeks as though im off cycle and like anyone who comes off a steroid , there will be an abundance of estrogen , so an AI is used as part of the pct Whether running something like DAA as well would be any good remains to be seen

Sometimes its like pissing in the wind
 
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You saying.."love it or leave it"??
no im saying that if any immigrant thinks its so bad here then go the hell back to your own $hit hole country that you left in the first place
 
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GOv't will choice what test you can and cannot have deem appropriate. Not my idea of good medicine..
Never heard of that under the new law. I haven't seen any changes to my health care. I always ask my Dr for specific tests, and afaik it's always been up to the DR to say OK, and then up to the greedy insurers to say if they cover it or not. Normally I have a small deductable and after that most all tests are covered for me here in NY

The ONLY tests that Ive personally known to be elective and not covered are nutritional (and certain allergy) testing, but its ALWAYS been that way prior to Obama
 

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no im saying that if any immigrant thinks its so bad here then go the hell back to your own $hit hole country that you left in the first place
that can be said for anywhere you live We are flooded with immigrants from the easternbloc countries, poland , hungary etc Some holding down 2 or 3 jobs.Always smartly dressed, driving BMW cars or equivalent -not new i add-and getting paid good money However the drawback is , the agreement set up in the EU , is that its supposed to be recipricol , but getting help with housing and finding a job with similar money to that earned in the UK in a country like Poland , i think would be very hard if not impossible.

anyway back to my post , anymore advice?
 
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when i went to surgeon without having to see a regular dr first i was operated on(shoulder not emergency) within 7 days. how long would that process take in a "socialist" medicine society? gutter you know i like you but if its so f'd up here you can always go back to where you came from. just sayin no hatin but i love how all these immigrants have so many negatives to say about our country but never want to go back to their own
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that living here is f'd up. I love America, but most everyone knows the health care system is broken here. I am definitely not complaining about living here at all. I may have been a bit harsh, but honestly the term 'socialism' is thrown around too often in the States. I don't think people know the real meaning of true socialism.

I do love how I have more options here (more Dr's, since there is more $$)... but great healthcare should not evolve around cashflow. Just like getting a great education should not depend on how rich our folks are.

I have a good job with good benefits, yet my healthcare is still very expensive. It must get almost unmanageable for certain people in this country who live with many medical issues.

I think equal access to great healthcare and education are the main deciding factors for quality of life in most societies. Everything has it's cost though, but America just mainly needs better regulations to prevent insurance companies from taking advantage of us by over-charging or refusing care/coverage. That's the main purpose of the new health care laws.
 
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no im saying that if any immigrant thinks its so bad here then go the hell back to your own $hit hole country that you left in the first place
dude I hope that wasn't aimed at me! lol! Canada and the US are like brothers =D

I'm also not an immigrant, I'm a temporary resident on a temporary visa for professionals with special skills (TN visa), and I love America hehe. I don't recall complaining about how bad it is here. If I thought it was such a bad country, I would never have come here.
 
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that living here is f'd up. I love America, but most everyone knows the health care system is broken here. I am definitely not complaining about living here at all. I may have been a bit harsh, but honestly the term 'socialism' is thrown around too often in the States. I don't think people know the real meaning of true socialism.

I do love how I have more options here (more Dr's, since there is more $$)... but great healthcare should not evolve around cashflow. Just like getting a great education should not depend on how rich our folks are.

I have a good job with good benefits, yet my healthcare is still very expensive. It must get almost unmanageable for certain people in this country who live with many medical issues.

I think equal access to great healthcare and education are the main deciding factors for quality of life in most societies. Everything has it's cost though, but America just mainly needs better regulations to prevent insurance companies from taking advantage of us by over-charging or refusing care/coverage. That's the main purpose of the new health care laws.
im not disputing that the health care system here is not perfect as it is far from it. is "socialist" medicine the fix? not imo
 
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Change is tough... I'm also not sure if forcing everyone to buy insurance was the best way. I think that's what you mean by social healthcare, so about that I agree.

I'd be much happier with my healthcare if insurance companies didn't rule the world down here. Heck they actually rule my life, I work for one lol
 
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Change is tough... I'm also not sure if forcing everyone to buy insurance was the best way. I think that's what you mean by social healthcare, so about that I agree.

I'd be much happier with my healthcare if insurance companies didn't rule the world down here. Heck they actually rule my life, I work for one lol

i unlike many do not blame the insurance companies for the cost of health care ins. our govt in so many ways have f'd that up for us mostly by alllowing illegals and indigent(spelling?) people to be treated free of charge which we as the working class end up paying for in the end.

still... id rather pay the premium that i pay and have my fantastic coverage than have the same covg as everyone else
 
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i unlike many do not blame the insurance companies for the cost of health care ins. our govt in so many ways have f'd that up for us mostly by alllowing illegals and indigent(spelling?) people to be treated free of charge which we as the working class end up paying for in the end.

still... id rather pay the premium that i pay and have my fantastic coverage than have the same covg as everyone else
I probably lost one of my best friends arguing over this very topic yesterday. He is very pro Obamacare and defends it with extreme passion. When Obama was in debates, he proposed a plan that made a lot of sense and I liked the idea. The plan that got signed is nothing close to the plan he campaigned for. We have no idea how it will affect us until 2014. From what I understand, it will be the worst of all social health care systems ever devised, with penalties for not buying in. I see it as being one huge HMO, with the level of care being dictated by lowest bidder, not best available, which is what I have now. My friend here in the states was born in the UK. His dad was diagnosed with cancer and had to wait 6 months to see a specialist for treatment. He died three months later, never seeing a doctor. For those that claim that profit drives our health care, damn right it does and performance based on profit has always been the best motivator for optimum care. There are better ways to cure the problem of the uninsured, but this Obamacare is not the solution; it reduces care to the lowest common denominator so next time I break my leg, I won't get surgery the next day, but wait six months before I get to see a doctor.
 
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I've never had these huge wait times in Canada, so I'm not sure why people assume that fixing portions of America's healthcare system will cause massive delays in service.

I last lived in Toronto, a city of almost 5 million people. I broke a bone there once just before moving, got into a hospital and treated the same day, within 2 hours. I never ever had massive wait times.

I also don't understand everything about the system here obviously, but if tons of undocumented/illegal immigrants are getting free health care, and this is the main problem, then that sounds like an issue with Medicare alone... I don't know enough to speak in depths about the healthcare debate here though.
 
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I probably lost one of my best friends arguing over this very topic yesterday. He is very pro Obamacare and defends it with extreme passion. When Obama was in debates, he proposed a plan that made a lot of sense and I liked the idea. The plan that got signed is nothing close to the plan he campaigned for. We have no idea how it will affect us until 2014. From what I understand, it will be the worst of all social health care systems ever devised, with penalties for not buying in. I see it as being one huge HMO, with the level of care being dictated by lowest bidder, not best available, which is what I have now. My friend here in the states was born in the UK. His dad was diagnosed with cancer and had to wait 6 months to see a specialist for treatment. He died three months later, never seeing a doctor. For those that claim that profit drives our health care, damn right it does and performance based on profit has always been the best motivator for optimum care. There are better ways to cure the problem of the uninsured, but this Obamacare is not the solution; it reduces care to the lowest common denominator so next time I break my leg, I won't get surgery the next day, but wait six months before I get to see a doctor.
you're right we really wont know for a while how it will truly affect us. im in your shoes. i have unbelievable coverage including dental and and my premium is pretty darn low thanks to woking fo a very large utility co. and also to my union for good negotiations.

people like us can only go downhill in obamacare
 
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the product is NEBIDO -test undeconate in an oil base
Each ml solution for injection contains 250 mg testosterone undecanoate corresponding to 157.9 mg testosterone. Each ampoule with 4 ml solution for injection contains 1000 mg testosterone undecanoate this product is designed to last 10-12 weeks , i have a fresh inj every 11
That's your problem. First, esters do not cleave as precisely as advertised. The depot won't hold long enough to allow an even distribution of cleavage over 11 weeks/2 weeks. Did you ever get your test levels checked around week 10? My guess is that your E2 is sky high and your test is below the minimal range. I am guessing that if you went to test e, every week, you wouldn't have this problem.
 
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I probably lost one of my best friends arguing over this very topic yesterday.
Geez dude that's harsh! I hope I don't make enemies here simply because I am all for healthcare reform. Did he defriend you, or did you defriend him?

I have friends from all walks of life, Lib, GOP, libertarian, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Athiests even and I manage to be friends with all these people regardless of differences of beliefs and opinion.
 
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Geez dude that's harsh! I hope I don't make enemies here simply because I am all for healthcare reform. Did he defriend you, or did you defriend him?

I have friends from all walks of life, Lib, GOP, libertarian, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Athiests even and I manage to be friends with all these people regardless of differences of beliefs and opinion.
im your friend gutter and i dont like canadians
 
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lol that's because I'm an official NYer now, I put in my time, paid my dues =D
 
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lol that's because I'm an official NYer now, I put in my time, paid my dues =D
hows the shoulder feeling? i feel for you bro. mine was a solid 9 months before i could really start hitting some decent weight. im figuring itll be another few months before im back to where i was from a size pov. strength wise im pretty much %100 minus some exercises that i can no longer do
 
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hows the shoulder feeling? i feel for you bro. mine was a solid 9 months before i could really start hitting some decent weight. im figuring itll be another few months before im back to where i was from a size pov. strength wise im pretty much 0 minus some exercises that i can no longer do
I'm definitely feeling crippled right now. They had to repair the slap tear, re-attach my bicep through the arm bone (tenodesis) and clean up the rotator cuff tendons which were frayed. First real day of PT was yesterday which I got through ok. I'm using a lot of ice and compression, so hopefully that will help a lot.

I have a recovery log I made in the Exercise Science forum as well. Going to update it this eve
 
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I'm definitely feeling crippled right now. They had to repair the slap tear, re-attach my bicep through the arm bone (tenodesis) and clean up the rotator cuff tendons which were frayed. First real day of PT was yesterday which I got through ok. I'm using a lot of ice and compression, so hopefully that will help a lot.

I have a recovery log I made in the Exercise Science forum as well. Going to update it this eve
thats gonna be a long log sorry to say
 
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Oh I know, I expected the 6-9 months. I started the log to boost motivation and to give me something to do, as well as share with others in the same situation or considering the same surgery. I just hope I can squat by the summer using the cambered safety bar. Cardio will be np
 
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Oh I know, I expected the 6-9 months. I started the log to boost motivation and to give me something to do, as well as share with others in the same situation or considering the same surgery. I just hope I can squat by the summer using the cambered safety bar. Cardio will be np
once i couldnt lift i lost interest in everything bb related. never even came on the boards. but now that im pretty healed up all i can offer is give it time and dont rush into anything. youll know when you are ready
 
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Iknow the dose im getting is not likely to make a great impact on muscle building but nevertheless i am at an advantage to those of a similar age who are not on trt and continue to weight train.
That's not really true.

I really hate that Doctors have pushed this myth, which has turned into a self-fulfilling prophesy concerning men and low testosterone. True, if you live like a Western man does and eat all the fiber and rabbit food that docs tell you to eat - YOU WILL toss your hormone levels.

But eating a primitive diet with lots of red meat, fish and chicken - and no processed foods and particularly NO SUGAR will help you to keep your test levels very high for a very long time. Combine that with heavy lifting - and I mean seriously - HEAVY lifting ... sensible (not too much) cardio ... and some anti-estrogens like grape seed extract and ERASE ... and if you want - toss in some Tongkat Ali and / or DAA ...

And you can be cooking with gas.

I'm 50 ... my last total test was 950 ng/ml ... free test was 34 ng/ml on the LabCorp scale - BOTH in excess of the high level limits. Only thing I was using, at the time - was DAA.

I'm firmly convinced that a lot of the guys who are on TRT really didn't need to go on it. All they really had to do was make some lifestyle adjustments. However, doctors find it easier to just poke you with a needle and send you back on your way to your lousy lifestyle habits.

TRT causes your nuts to atrophy ... some complain of problems with ejaculation - it's just not something you need to jump into unless it's the last resort. I like Matrix's approach to the whole body - figure out what's going on and what's causing the low T - don't just jump to the needle.

AND BY THE WAY - ONE MORE VOTE HERE TO GET RID OF THIS ABOMINATION CALLED OBAMACARE! I SPIT ALL OVER THAT ****!
 

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That's your problem. First, esters do not cleave as precisely as advertised. The depot won't hold long enough to allow an even distribution of cleavage over 11 weeks/2 weeks. Did you ever get your test levels checked around week 10? My guess is that your E2 is sky high and your test is below the minimal range. I am guessing that if you went to test e, every week, you wouldn't have this problem.
i have had test measured towards the end of the 11 week cycle and it s mid range (about 21 -scale 10-30 nmol/l) however the gap between test ane e2 will be greater than at the beginning i suspect.
 

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The theory behind obamacare is sound however it runs very much counter to liberty and the constitution. Healthcare is expensive because of the government. Costs began to rise with medicare and medicaid, then got higher with more regulation. It costs money to care for people and the law requires treatment for anyone that shows up at a hospital. I have transported thousands of people to the ER w/o insurance and no money with expensive problems. We pay for that. They get free treatment and the hospitals charge paying customers more. Imagine the cost of treating a patient for 30 years with hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes, congestive heart failure AND they are obese and unable/unwilling to work. We are paying for the 5-10 drugs they take plus hospital trips monthly when they get worse.....obamacare wont fix that....
 
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once i couldnt lift i lost interest in everything bb related. never even came on the boards. but now that im pretty healed up all i can offer is give it time and dont rush into anything. youll know when you are ready
yeah, a lot of people lose motivation when this happens. I did for about a month after I learned I needed surgery...I just gave up at the gym even though I didn't have to (I was squatting 3 days a week still). I'm on a lot of boards talking to people who've been through the rehab for the same surgery and I've learned I'll be able to work around it, likely after a few more weeks - I'll start squatting again, using the camber bar, GHR machine, split squats, etc...going to mainly work legs/posterior chain.
 
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yeah, a lot of people lose motivation when this happens. I did for about a month after I learned I needed surgery...I just gave up at the gym even though I didn't have to (I was squatting 3 days a week still). I'm on a lot of boards talking to people who've been through the rehab for the same surgery and I've learned I'll be able to work around it, likely after a few more weeks - I'll start squatting again, using the camber bar, GHR machine, split squats, etc...going to mainly work legs/posterior chain.
hit up a guy in the training sub forum named zi red. hes very knowledhable on what muscles you should be devloping to help stabalize that shoulder. just remember everyones recovery will be different. i certainly didnt expect mine to take 9 months or so but it s what it is

now that summer is almost upon us ill hit you up when we are heading to the city. we come down there often on my bike for lunch and dinner so we'll meet up. we usually hit the meat packing district or the west village. goin down by bike is the way. im on 14th in about 30 minutes as i can weave my way around the traffic
 
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That's not really true.

I really hate that Doctors have pushed this myth, which has turned into a self-fulfilling prophesy concerning men and low testosterone. True, if you live like a Western man does and eat all the fiber and rabbit food that docs tell you to eat - YOU WILL toss your hormone levels.

But eating a primitive diet with lots of red meat, fish and chicken - and no processed foods and particularly NO SUGAR will help you to keep your test levels very high for a very long time. Combine that with heavy lifting - and I mean seriously - HEAVY lifting ... sensible (not too much) cardio ... and some anti-estrogens like grape seed extract and ERASE ... and if you want - toss in some Tongkat Ali and / or DAA ...

And you can be cooking with gas.

I'm 50 ... my last total test was 950 ng/ml ... free test was 34 ng/ml on the LabCorp scale - BOTH in excess of the high level limits. Only thing I was using, at the time - was DAA.

I'm firmly convinced that a lot of the guys who are on TRT really didn't need to go on it. All they really had to do was make some lifestyle adjustments. However, doctors find it easier to just poke you with a needle and send you back on your way to your lousy lifestyle habits.

TRT causes your nuts to atrophy ... some complain of problems with ejaculation - it's just not something you need to jump into unless it's the last resort. I like Matrix's approach to the whole body - figure out what's going on and what's causing the low T - don't just jump to the needle.

AND BY THE WAY - ONE MORE VOTE HERE TO GET RID OF THIS ABOMINATION CALLED OBAMACARE! I SPIT ALL OVER THAT ****!
It's rare that guys our age, or even in their 30s can naturally produce that much test. You happen to be one of the lucky ones who have high natural test. I know in my case, my main problem was age. I've been cruising (more blasting I suppose) for years now and feel like $20. I love my test. And I couldn't agree with you more on Obamacare!
 
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It's rare that guys our age, or even in their 30s can naturally produce that much test. You happen to be one of the lucky ones who have high natural test. I know in my case, my main problem was age. I've been cruising (more blasting I suppose) for years now and feel like $20. I love my test. And I couldn't agree with you more on Obamacare!

dude you feel like $20? that sounds pretty crappy lol
 
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That's not really true.

I really hate that Doctors have pushed this myth, which has turned into a self-fulfilling prophesy concerning men and low testosterone. True, if you live like a Western man does and eat all the fiber and rabbit food that docs tell you to eat - YOU WILL toss your hormone levels.

But eating a primitive diet with lots of red meat, fish and chicken - and no processed foods and particularly NO SUGAR will help you to keep your test levels very high for a very long time. Combine that with heavy lifting - and I mean seriously - HEAVY lifting ... sensible (not too much) cardio ... and some anti-estrogens like grape seed extract and ERASE ... and if you want - toss in some Tongkat Ali and / or DAA ...

And you can be cooking with gas.

I'm 50 ... my last total test was 950 ng/ml ... free test was 34 ng/ml on the LabCorp scale - BOTH in excess of the high level limits. Only thing I was using, at the time - was DAA.

I'm firmly convinced that a lot of the guys who are on TRT really didn't need to go on it. All they really had to do was make some lifestyle adjustments. However, doctors find it easier to just poke you with a needle and send you back on your way to your lousy lifestyle habits.

TRT causes your nuts to atrophy ... some complain of problems with ejaculation - it's just not something you need to jump into unless it's the last resort. I like Matrix's approach to the whole body - figure out what's going on and what's causing the low T - don't just jump to the needle.

AND BY THE WAY - ONE MORE VOTE HERE TO GET RID OF THIS ABOMINATION CALLED OBAMACARE! I SPIT ALL OVER THAT ****!
I would be curious to see where your e2 and SHBG is at. They must be pretty good with Free Test of 34. My concern is long term use of DAA if the glutamate can be monitored ( which it can be) it may just be the next generation to replace clomid.
 

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I would be curious to see where your e2 and SHBG is at. They must be pretty good with Free Test of 34. My concern is long term use of DAA if the glutamate can be monitored ( which it can be) it may just be the next generation to replace clomid.
what would you class as long term use? what is the effect of same?
 
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