Harshest orals best/worst list !

[Glockguy706]

What is the harshest oral on the market?
What is the best as far as sides ?
What is the harshest ever ? (Superdrol?)
Best as far as results /worst results
Any input would be great .

 

[Renew1]

Harshest (that I can think of at the moment)... Cheque drops and MTren.

Best as far as sides go... The weaker ones usually come with less sides.
But my favorite (with very low sides for me) is (LEGITIMATE) Anavar.

 

[Old Witch]

Well that's going to be subjective, usually in the past I see most guys here don't want to answer this with any real effort. Meaning they just tell you that first bit I said, "No way to know until you try them." Or "they're all exactly as toxic as each other but how your body takes them is what makes them more or less dangerous."

I think all that stuff is hogwash, why else would anavar be considered safe for children? Medically, there IS a difference in toxicity. But these lists will be based on opinion.

The least toxic oral is Anavar, by a landslide. Here's a list of some common ones from most to least toxic, in my opinion.

Methyl Trest (Cheque Drops)
Methyl Tren
Methyl 1-T
Superdrol
S23
Methylstenbolone
Desoxymethyltestosterone
M1,4ADD
M1-AD
Dianabol
Epistane
Dymethazine
Winstrol
Yk11
Dimethandrostenol
Methyldiazirinol
Anadrol
Ostarine
LGD4033
Anavar

In my experience, high toxicity does not equal high side effects.

All of these have the ability to give great results provided they are used in the context of their best functions. You wouldn't want to try and bulk up with epistane, for instance. Methyl 1-T, however, shines with a raging fury on a bulk.

Here's a list of most to least side effects in my experience

Anadrol
M1,4ADD
Dianabol
Superdrol
M1-T
Yk11
Epistane
Methylstenbolone
M1-AD
Winstrol
Dimethandrostenol
Desoxymethyltestosterone
DMZ

No sides whatsoever
Methyldiazirinol
Anavar
Ostarine
LGD 4033

Again, these are my experience and opinion.

 

[Glockguy706]

Amazing list thanks . In for all the learning info facts or thoughts . I am sure people will come back to the post for a long time if it gets more comments like this .

 

[Renew1]

Amazing list thanks . In for all the learning info facts or thoughts . I am sure people will come back to the post for a long time if it gets more comments like this .

Yeah, and like Old Witch said, you'll definitely get some different opinions.
For instance, I'd put Halotestin in the top 5 most toxic.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

i approve this thread
:goodpost:

 

[jameschoi]

Harshest (that I can think of at the moment)... Cheque drops and MTren.

Best as far as sides would usually be one of the weakest.
But my favorite (with very low sides for me) is (LEGITIMATE) Anavar.

What are the low sides for anavar?

 

[Renew1]

What are the low sides for anavar?

Well, for me....virtually none.
Some people report low libido, ankle swelling, lethargy...

 

[swimfan65]

Harshest (that I can think of at the moment)... Cheque drops and MTren.

Best as far as sides would usually be one of the weakest.
But my favorite (with very low sides for me) is (LEGITIMATE) Anavar.

Yep..legit oral tren..harshest..best results..but no sides for me
Least harsh..legit anavar.
Best results
Oral tren...not a PH..the real thing
Anadrol.
Dbol

Worst visible sides or stuff you can feel..anadrol at 100mg a day

 

[YoungThor]

I’ve heard haloestin is as toxic as it gets. But people like to finish competition prep with it because it dries some people out even better than winstrol.

And anadrol has a terrible reputation for sides. I mean, it’s so damn weird. It can cause gyno without estrogen conversion.

Oral tren and all those PH’s that you have to hope convert into the right thing are usually horrible for you.

I’ve never heard of anyone having serious issues with tbol when it’s used at the right dose for a reasonable amount of time. That’s why I’m interested in using it next. Plus, I like the way it effects people’s physiques.

 

[Old Witch]

I’ve heard haloestin is as toxic as it gets. But people like to finish competition prep with it because it dries some people out even better than winstrol.

And anadrol has a terrible reputation for sides. I mean, it’s so damn weird. It can cause gyno without estrogen conversion.

Oral tren and all those PH’s that you have to hope convert into the right thing are usually horrible for you.

I’ve never heard of anyone having serious issues with tbol when it’s used at the right dose for a reasonable amount of time. That’s why I’m interested in using it next. Plus, I like the way it effects people’s physiques.

Definitely, Anavar and turinabol are both quite mild. Methyl tren wreaks havoc on the liver, as does halotestin, in fact I've heard liver failure horror stories of halotestin most of all.

And, fxck yeah, Anadrol had me feeling like death. Worst sides ever. Nausea through the roof, high blood pressure, rage, acne, itchy nips, dick doesn't work... Yuck.

 

[Nac]

And, fxck yeah, Anadrol had me feeling like death. Worst sides ever. Nausea through the roof, high blood pressure, rage, acne, itchy nips, dick doesn't work... Yuck.

100mg? Or 50?

 

[Old Witch]

100mg? Or 50?

50.

 

[SpicedCider]

Definitely, Anavar and turinabol are both quite mild. Methyl tren wreaks havoc on the liver, as does halotestin, in fact I've heard liver failure horror stories of halotestin most of all.

And, fxck yeah, Anadrol had me feeling like death. Worst sides ever. Nausea through the roof, high blood pressure, rage, acne, itchy nips, dick doesn't work... Yuck.

Just curious, what's the highest daily dose someone can most likely take of turinabol without experiencing issues? 80 mg/day during the last few weeks of a cycle, maybe?

 

[Old Witch]

Just curious, what's the highest daily dose someone can most likely take of turinabol without experiencing issues? 80 mg/day during the last few weeks of a cycle, maybe?

Yeah something like 75 or 100 if you're big, I'd say.

But you can definitely grow on 25mg 2x a day.

 

[swimfan65]

I’ve heard haloestin is as toxic as it gets. But people like to finish competition prep with it because it dries some people out even better than winstrol.

And anadrol has a terrible reputation for sides. I mean, it’s so damn weird. It can cause gyno without estrogen conversion.

Oral tren and all those PH’s that you have to hope convert into the right thing are usually horrible for you.

I’ve never heard of anyone having serious issues with tbol when it’s used at the right dose for a reasonable amount of time. That’s why I’m interested in using it next. Plus, I like the way it effects people’s physiques.

I wasnt talking about the PH oral tren. Im currently running real oral tren at 750mcgs ed with test. The tren is absolutely out of this world hands down best oral i have ever used

 

[SpicedCider]

Yeah something like 75 or 100 if you're big, I'd say.

But you can definitely grow on 25mg 2x a day.

Thanks. What if I'm not big? Is 80-100 mg/day during the last few weeks going to be a really bad idea?

Also, what's your opinion on stacking it with a low dose of Winstrol during the last few weeks to get extra shredded-looking? Even if this is a good idea, I'm assuming that I'd need to run the TBol at a much lower dose?

 

[jim2509]

Well that's going to be subjective, usually in the past I see most guys here don't want to answer this with any real effort. Meaning they just tell you that first bit I said, "No way to know until you try them." Or "they're all exactly as toxic as each other but how your body takes them is what makes them more or less dangerous."

I think all that stuff is hogwash, why else would anavar be considered safe for children? Medically, there IS a difference in toxicity. But these lists will be based on opinion.

The least toxic oral is Anavar, by a landslide. Here's a list of some common ones from most to least toxic, in my opinion.

Methyl Trest (Cheque Drops)
Methyl Tren
Methyl 1-T
Superdrol
S23
Methylstenbolone
Desoxymethyltestosterone
M1,4ADD
M1-AD
Dianabol
Epistane
Dymethazine
Winstrol
Yk11
Dimethandrostenol
Methyldiazirinol
Anadrol
Ostarine
LGD4033
Anavar

In my experience, high toxicity does not equal high side effects.

All of these have the ability to give great results provided they are used in the context of their best functions. You wouldn't want to try and bulk up with epistane, for instance. Methyl 1-T, however, shines with a raging fury on a bulk.

Here's a list of most to least side effects in my experience

Anadrol
M1,4ADD
Dianabol
Superdrol
M1-T
Yk11
Epistane
Methylstenbolone
M1-AD
Winstrol
Dimethandrostenol
Desoxymethyltestosterone
DMZ

No sides whatsoever
Methyldiazirinol
Anavar
Ostarine
LGD 4033

Again, these are my experience and opinion.

Disagree.

I had minimal sides from x 2 Dbol and x2 M1-T cycles but had awful sides from low dose IBE Epistane. Goes to show that nobody knows how a product will effect them until taken.

 

[Renew1]

Disagree.

I had minimal sides from x 2 Dbol and x2 M1-T cycles but had awful sides from low dose IBE Epistane. Goes to show that nobody knows how a product will effect them until taken.

Yeah, people react differently to different compounds.
Some of us get rough sides from Epistane, and some get almost none.
I personally don't get bad sides from Dbol. But Epistane treated me harsher than SD.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Turinabol is the best I’ve tried in terms of risk vs rewards. Felt great on it, gave me pumps better than the other orals I’ve ran, better fullness, etc. My cholesterol came back fine on it, which I doubt would be the same for the others I’ve ran (epi, dmz, msten)

 

[Chados]

Harshest M1T halotestin and cheque drops I believe. All completely worthless for most people. M1T adds size but it's so toxic, the others add strengtht and no size.

Best results I think it's individual but my all. Time favorite for my body is winstrol and msten. I have to give superdrol some cred due to the fact that you can dose it so low and that it's androgenic side is equal to something as mild as anavar. You could dose it low and have a very safe cycle and still get a ton out of it. I also must say epistane due to the safety and lean gains. I think epistane is arguably the best beginner steroid and one of the most universal orals out there. You can use it to bulk, cut, recomp and still get pretty similar results. Anadrol makes me feel very positive in the gym cause nothing beats that pump. Dbol is just making weights feel better because all the water you add. Kinda like a lubrication of the joints.

Note if you're not in shape to take steroids you're not gonna look like you're on steroids. For someone with excess fat to run dbol would be very counterproductive when you got something like epistane or superdrol.

 

[gdawg522]

Would love to hear more about turinabol. Cycle lengths and expected gains for someone with regimented, disciplined diet and lifting plan

 

[thaifoon90]

Would love to hear more about turinabol. Cycle lengths and expected gains for someone with regimented, disciplined diet and lifting plan

Also interested in hearing more about tbol since I read Jon Jones got popped for it in the UFC.

 

[Chados]

Would love to hear more about turinabol. Cycle lengths and expected gains for someone with regimented, disciplined diet and lifting plan

It's like a mild Superdrol.. Very dry gains making you look fuller. Personally while I do like it, I prefer halodrol or epistane taking price in consideration.

 

[gdawg522]

Chados: thanks for the quick response. i'll have to look into it. I cant find sources for these great orals you are referring to Epistane and turinabol / halodrol.

 

[Chados]

Chados: thanks for the quick response. i'll have to look into it. I cant find sources for these great orals you are referring to Epistane and turinabol / halodrol.

You're welcome. Where do you live? Cause it can probably be tricky in some countries

 

[gdawg522]

USA - Pennsylvania haha

 

[Chados]

USA - Pennsylvania haha

Ah well I have lived in the US but never actually got anything like that there. We're not allowed to discuss sources either. Maybe someone can help you. In Europe it's legal in England but most other countries its not.

 

[mixedup]

Yeah, and like Old Witch said, you'll definitely get some different opinions.
For instance, I'd put Halotestin in the top 5 most toxic.

I would too

 

[swimfan65]

Harshest M1T halotestin and cheque drops I believe. All completely worthless for most people. M1T adds size but it's so toxic, the others add strengtht and no size.

Best results I think it's individual but my all. Time favorite for my body is winstrol and msten. I have to give superdrol some cred due to the fact that you can dose it so low and that it's androgenic side is equal to something as mild as anavar. You could dose it low and have a very safe cycle and still get a ton out of it. I also must say epistane due to the safety and lean gains. I think epistane is arguably the best beginner steroid and one of the most universal orals out there. You can use it to bulk, cut, recomp and still get pretty similar results. Anadrol makes me feel very positive in the gym cause nothing beats that pump. Dbol is just making weights feel better because all the water you add. Kinda like a lubrication of the joints.

Note if you're not in shape to take steroids you're not gonna look like you're on steroids. For someone with excess fat to run dbol would be very counterproductive when you got something like epistane or superdrol.

I read that cheque drops only works for a few hours and the only reason it should be used is raise aggression...seems like a stupid drug

 

[Chados]

I read that cheque drops only works for a few hours and the only reason it should be used is raise aggression...seems like a stupid drug

Yeah agree.. Useless and for dogs haha

 

[LGTWHIT]

Why is this stupid!!! This is perfect PWO. Raising aggression is a negative, your out your mind! More aggression in the gym mentally is a huge beneficiary and produces greater physical results.

 

[BarryBondsHOF]

Well that's going to be subjective, usually in the past I see most guys here don't want to answer this with any real effort. Meaning they just tell you that first bit I said, "No way to know until you try them." Or "they're all exactly as toxic as each other but how your body takes them is what makes them more or less dangerous."

I think all that stuff is hogwash, why else would anavar be considered safe for children? Medically, there IS a difference in toxicity. But these lists will be based on opinion.

The least toxic oral is Anavar, by a landslide. Here's a list of some common ones from most to least toxic, in my opinion.

Methyl Trest (Cheque Drops)
Methyl Tren
Methyl 1-T
Superdrol
S23
Methylstenbolone
Desoxymethyltestosterone
M1,4ADD
M1-AD
Dianabol
Epistane
Dymethazine
Winstrol
Yk11
Dimethandrostenol
Methyldiazirinol
Anadrol
Ostarine
LGD4033
Anavar

In my experience, high toxicity does not equal high side effects.

All of these have the ability to give great results provided they are used in the context of their best functions. You wouldn't want to try and bulk up with epistane, for instance. Methyl 1-T, however, shines with a raging fury on a bulk.

Here's a list of most to least side effects in my experience

Anadrol
M1,4ADD
Dianabol
Superdrol
M1-T
Yk11
Epistane
Methylstenbolone
M1-AD
Winstrol
Dimethandrostenol
Desoxymethyltestosterone
DMZ

No sides whatsoever
Methyldiazirinol
Anavar
Ostarine
LGD 4033

Again, these are my experience and opinion.

Good points on the toxicity. On my first stack of dmz and sten right now. Very, very acne prone. (on accutane twice including now as a 21 year old), no acne from it. not any more than i usually get anyways

 

[swimfan65]

Why is this stupid!!! This is perfect PWO. Raising aggression is a negative, your out your mind! More aggression in the gym mentally is a huge beneficiary and produces greater physical results.

Umm..i dont need drugs to be motivated to go hard...im just wired that way..blood and guts every training session. And wtf would you shut yourself down and screw up your liver to for a little more aggression?

 

[Old Witch]

Umm..i dont need drugs to be motivated to go hard...im just wired that way..blood and guts every training session. And wtf would you shut yourself down and screw up your liver to for a little more aggression?

I really have something against both methyl tren and methyl Trest (cheque drops) They both seem kind of pointless to me for the same reasons.

 

[Old Witch]

Why is this stupid!!! This is perfect PWO. Raising aggression is a negative, your out your mind! More aggression in the gym mentally is a huge beneficiary and produces greater physical results.

The perfect PWO is about 100mcg Hexarelin, 5mg Cialis, 5mg dextroamphetamine, and 100mg TNE. For me...

 

[swimfan65]

The perfect PWO is about 100mcg Hexarelin, 5mg Cialis, 5mg dextroamphetamine, and 100mg TNE. For me...

Well im about to give oral trest a whirl as a pwo. But honestly witch, oral tren is the tits. Best oral ive ever used...except trest...which is why i just got some.

 

[Old Witch]

Well im about to give oral trest a whirl as a pwo. But honestly witch, oral tren is the tits. Best oral ive ever used...except trest...which is why i just got some.

Id say try mentabolan over milberone.

 

[Renew1]

Id say try mentabolan over milberone.

I've tried Mentabolan, TNE, Halotestin, and oral Trest (off the top of my head).
For me personally, it's oral Trest (PW).

 

[swimfan65]

Id say try mentabolan over milberone.

Hell yeah, milberone is that cheque drops crap whos only purpose seems to be to kill you with no benefit.

 

[BarryScott]

What's the point of mtren, how do you use it and what results for you get from it?

 

[swimfan65]

What's the point of mtren, how do you use it and what results for you get from it?

A divided 750mcg dose, they come in 250mcg tabs, did wonders for me. I was taking 750mgs of test as well, after a week, i could literally watch my body change. Leaner, harder, more vascular..etc. My strength also went up every session

 

[BarryScott]

Faster results than im tren? (Never used either for the record). My source sells it in 1mg pills.

 

[swimfan65]

Faster results than im tren? (Never used either for the record). My source sells it in 1mg pills.

1mg would probably kill you fairly fast. 750 for me was pushing it and had to stop after 6 weeks when i couldn't pee. Completely different feeling from IM tren. I cant rake IM tren because the sides are too much for me. The sides with oral tren are not like the IM. No huge libido spike, sweating, insomnia, paranoia..etc. The sides are internal..liver, kidneys, etc. 1mg would for sure be overkill.

 

[Renew1]

1mg would probably kill you fairly fast. 750 for me was pushing it and had to stop after 6 weeks when i couldn't pee. Completely different feeling from IM tren. I cant rake IM tren because the sides are too much for me. The sides with oral tren are not like the IM. No huge libido spike, sweating, insomnia, paranoia..etc. The sides are internal..liver, kidneys, etc. 1mg would for sure be overkill.

Yeah. And you're what...... 350 lbs?

 

[BarryScott]

How long did you run it for?

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Faster results than im tren? (Never used either for the record). My source sells it in 1mg pills.

If they sell it in 1mg pills its most likely fake

 

[BarryScott]

You would think so but it's a lab and source everyone here uses, so I wouldn't be so sure. Underdosed maybe?

 

[DemntedCowboy]

You would think so but it's a lab and source everyone here uses, so I wouldn't be so sure. Underdosed maybe?

That don't mean anything honestly.

 

[BarryScott]

Ah ok.