Halotestin

[Brain5ick]

Haven’t heard much on it, what’s your guys thoughts and experience on Halotestin?
How about for TRT? Script or otherwise how was it’s effectiveness for cycle or meds?

 

[mixedup]

halotestin is my favorite compound. but it only has 2,uses powerlifting where you need to make weight. and the last 4 to 6 weeks before a show

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

extremely toxic. no you can not use it for trt..
you can use test for trt ... and maybe if you had a solid source of longer ester trestelone, you could use it at a low low dose.. but its been my experience that you find a source and it dries up quick
so my advice.. use test.

 

[booneman77]

as mentioned, it's one of the most hepatoxic compounds ever created... typically its only used for VERY short time (like final week of a powerlifting contest prep/day of). It will send strength through the roof and has an insanely short half life and time to effect (like nearly instant, thus its use for meets as basically a "pre workout".

I remember reading on its original intention to use as some for of trt or the like, but can't remember the details. Frankly, it will absolutely kill you tho if you used it long term due to the liver destruction ha

 

[Brain5ick]

as mentioned, it's one of the most hepatoxic compounds ever created... typically its only used for VERY short time (like final week of a powerlifting contest prep/day of). It will send strength through the roof and has an insanely short half life and time to effect (like nearly instant, thus its use for meets as basically a "pre workout".

I remember reading on its original intention to use as some for of trt or the like, but can't remember the details. Frankly, it will absolutely kill you tho if you used it long term due to the liver destruction ha

That’s what I was reading as well which is why I kinda threw the TRT part out there.

 

[Chados]

I've never tried it and it's pretty much the wonky thing I haven't.. Why? Cause it's very toxic and it adds no size just hardness which is basically for a super ripped person looking for a show. Not worth it for the average guy

 

[tubzy]

as mentioned, it's one of the most hepatoxic compounds ever created... typically its only used for VERY short time (like final week of a powerlifting contest prep/day of). It will send strength through the roof and has an insanely short half life and time to effect (like nearly instant, thus its use for meets as basically a "pre workout".

I remember reading on its original intention to use as some for of trt or the like, but can't remember the details. Frankly, it will absolutely kill you tho if you used it long term due to the liver destruction ha

What makes it more toxic than any other 17aa compound though? I have seen this term being thrown around a lot of it being so toxic but haven't seen any evidence to back it up - especially liver related.

I think it is even significantly less suppressive than anavar on top of that if i recall from the studies I have seen at least sub ~20mg.

 

[Mathb33]

What makes it more toxic than any other 17aa compound though? I have seen this term being thrown around a lot of it being so toxic but haven't seen any evidence to back it up - especially liver related.

I think it is even significantly less suppressive than anavar on top of that if i recall from the studies I have seen at least sub ~20mg.

Real life experience isn’t enough for you to have any evidence? Have you seen any other orals where you have so many people throw up daily , be nauseous , have liver values so high doctors read it as liver failure?? Hello?? This isn’t up for debate lol if you need any proof take anavar for a week and see how you feel (wonderful) and then take halotestin for a week or two and tell me how you feel. You’ll trully understand it’s toxicity. You’ll live it to the fullest.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Haven’t heard much on it, what’s your guys thoughts and experience on Halotestin?
How about for TRT? Script or otherwise how was it’s effectiveness for cycle or meds?

I’ve only tried it once, and it was like 30 mins into my workout, but I had also taken 10mg cialis and 25mg dbol prior, along with a bit of tren ace/test prop the day or two prior. The pumps and aggression that day were insane though, and a day or two later I completely lost my **** in the gym and threatened to rip some annoying kids throats out at the gym; so I’d say it’s fun for aggression and whatnot lmao.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Keep in mind I have no experience or with these, but if I was to choose a compound to be an alternative for HRT(For those who aromatize easily) it would be -

Proviron - No liver toxicity
Danazol
Low dose boldenone
Mod dosed Primo
Epiandro/androsterone
Possibly mod dose var , but it would be pulsed to avoid possible toxicity

Halotestin was used in boys who lacked pubertal development but theoretically any dht could be used most likely.

But this is just what I'd do personally not advice. Should probably listen to the experienced guys

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I’ve only tried it once, and it was like 30 mins into my workout, but I had also taken 10mg cialis and 25mg dbol prior, along with a bit of tren ace/test prop the day or two prior. The pumps and aggression that day were insane though, and a day or two later I completely lost my **** in the gym and threatened to rip some annoying kids throats out at the gym; so I’d say it’s fun for aggression and whatnot lmao.

Sounds fun lol

 

[Renew1]

That’s what I was reading as well which is why I kinda threw the TRT part out there.

NO.

I wouldn't advise anyone try to use it for HRT.

 

[bigthug]

I’ve only tried it once, and it was like 30 mins into my workout, but I had also taken 10mg cialis and 25mg dbol prior, along with a bit of tren ace/test prop the day or two prior. The pumps and aggression that day were insane though, and a day or two later I completely lost my **** in the gym and threatened to rip some annoying kids throats out at the gym; so I’d say it’s fun for aggression and whatnot lmao.

I had a similar expirence on kilosports trenadrol haha

 

[tubzy]

Real life experience isn’t enough for you to have any evidence? Have you seen any other orals where you have so many people throw up daily , be nauseous , have liver values so high doctors read it as liver failure?? Hello?? This isn’t up for debate lol if you need any proof take anavar for a week and see how you feel (wonderful) and then take halotestin for a week or two and tell me how you feel. You’ll trully understand it’s toxicity. You’ll live it to the fullest.

Show me these logs of someone taking halotest only at reasonable doses (no test, no other stacked orals etc.) and throwing up and ending up with liver failure. Majority of people who use this drug don't take it solo so yes if you stack methylated orals of course it will tax your liver heavily.

Your just parroting the same bro science without researching it yourself. Obviously liver values will go up as it would with any methylated 17a AAS. My argument like I said above is show me how its significantly worse on the liver than other methylated orals when taken alone with no nothing else. It has never been demonstrated before so I have no idea where this theory came from. I would argue superdrol has more case studies behind it of hepatoxicity than halotestin especially since halo was even promoted for HRT to be taken on daily basis.

I have taken halo, anavar and superdrol before all solo with no test or any other hormone. I feel like absolute **** on superdrol and anavar due to the little androgenic activity especially at times goes on. I actually feel even worse on superdrol digestion and appetite wise but that doesn't automatically point to a liver issue. Fatigue doesn't always mean liver toxicity anyways there are other multiple variables like skyrocketing lipids, glucocorticoid agonism and estrogen activity so that is a weak argument IMO.

Now there have been a few studies on halotestin. The one below is the most important as it shows women taking 20mg - 40mg of haloestin for 1.5 years straight and hepatoxicity wasn't even listed as a side effect in any of the groups. So why haven't these women who were taking 40mg of halo a day for 17 months **** their liver out then if its that toxic?

sci-hub.se/10.1056/NEJM195810022591404

 

[Jstrong20]

My as well go all in and get Cheque drops. Lol

Or maybe a stack of halo/cheque drops/ methyl treniolone. Lol.

Seriously I wanted to try halotesten for a short run way back but never got around to it. Like stated it’s only good for short runs and this was before superdrol existed. If you want to take something toxic superdrol or m1t would give mass and strength. Either way definatley not for trt. Ha

 

[tubzy]

My as well go all in and get Cheque drops. Lol

Or maybe a stack of halo/cheque drops/ methyl treniolone. Lol.

Seriously I wanted to try halotesten for a short run way back but never got around to it. Like stated it’s only good for short runs and this was before superdrol existed. If you want to take something toxic superdrol or m1t would give mass and strength. Either way definatley not for trt. Ha

Saw this is on ergo log the other day. Winny seems to be the worst on the liver followed by epistane then superdrol.

Also, halotestin is frequently faked w/ winny.

Designersteroid methylepithiostanol damages liver and kidneys

Methylepithiostanol entered the market in 2006 as a designer steroid. For a moment it seemed that methylepithiostanol was an effective muscle builder with, compared with other oral anabolic steroids, relatively few side effects. However, a number of recent Spanish studies paint a different...

www.ergo-log.com

 

[Zvch]

Keep in mind I have no experience or with these, but if I was to choose a compound to be an alternative for HRT(For those who aromatize easily) it would be -

Proviron - No liver toxicity
Danazol
Low dose boldenone
Mod dosed Primo
Epiandro/androsterone
Possibly mod dose var , but it would be pulsed to avoid possible toxicity

Halotestin was used in boys who lacked pubertal development but theoretically any dht could be used most likely.

But this is just what I'd do personally not advice. Should probably listen to the experienced guys

The point of replacement therapy is to replace an essential hormone with a synthetic hormone that accomplishes the same biological processes of the real hormone. None of these do that. I just don’t want anyone new who happens to stumble onto this to be confused. These will all suppress endogenous testosterone production even further, not increase it. They might rid the person of side effects for a couple weeks and make them feel better temporarily, until testosterone levels drop even further and the side effects get worse. Testosterone plays a role in several different processes in the body that none of these compounds can accomplish. Taking drugs that kind of sort of do one or two of those things isn’t going to cut it even if they are somewhat feasible safety wise. Trestolone (MENT) is the only other compound than testosterone that may work for some as a replacement biologically for testosterone.

 

[Zvch]

Show me these logs of someone taking halotest only at reasonable doses (no test, no other stacked orals etc.) and throwing up and ending up with liver failure. Majority of people who use this drug don't take it solo so yes if you stack methylated orals of course it will tax your liver heavily.

Your just parroting the same bro science without researching it yourself. Obviously liver values will go up as it would with any methylated 17a AAS. My argument like I said above is show me how its significantly worse on the liver than other methylated orals when taken alone with no nothing else. It has never been demonstrated before so I have no idea where this theory came from. I would argue superdrol has more case studies behind it of hepatoxicity than halotestin especially since halo was even promoted for HRT to be taken on daily basis.

I have taken halo, anavar and superdrol before all solo with no test or any other hormone. I feel like absolute **** on superdrol and anavar due to the little androgenic activity especially at times goes on. I actually feel even worse on superdrol digestion and appetite wise but that doesn't automatically point to a liver issue. Fatigue doesn't always mean liver toxicity anyways there are other multiple variables like skyrocketing lipids, glucocorticoid agonism and estrogen activity so that is a weak argument IMO.

Now there have been a few studies on halotestin. The one below is the most important as it shows women taking 20mg - 40mg of haloestin for 1.5 years straight and hepatoxicity wasn't even listed as a side effect in any of the groups. So why haven't these women who were taking 40mg of halo a day for 17 months **** their liver out then if its that toxic?

sci-hub.se/10.1056/NEJM195810022591404

I gotta say, this is actually pretty interesting. Have you found any other studies on Halotestin where the effects on the liver/kidneys were evaluated? I can’t really find any.

 

[KvanH]

The point of replacement therapy is to replace an essential hormone with a synthetic hormone that accomplishes the same biological processes of the real hormone. None of these do that. I just don’t want anyone new who happens to stumble onto this to be confused. These will all suppress endogenous testosterone production even further, not increase it. They might rid the person of side effects for a couple weeks and make them feel better temporarily, until testosterone levels drop even further and the side effects get worse. Testosterone plays a role in several different processes in the body that none of these compounds can accomplish. Taking drugs that kind of sort of do one or two of those things isn’t going to cut it even if they are somewhat feasible safety wise. Trestolone (MENT) is the only other compound than testosterone that may work for some as a replacement biologically for testosterone.

Not important on a practical level and just hypothetically speaking out of interest, would D-boll work also if liver stress won't be too much with reasonable dosing? Lipids might become a problem too tho..

 

[Whisky]

The point of replacement therapy is to replace an essential hormone with a synthetic hormone that accomplishes the same biological processes of the real hormone. None of these do that. I just don’t want anyone new who happens to stumble onto this to be confused. These will all suppress endogenous testosterone production even further, not increase it. They might rid the person of side effects for a couple weeks and make them feel better temporarily, until testosterone levels drop even further and the side effects get worse. Testosterone plays a role in several different processes in the body that none of these compounds can accomplish. Taking drugs that kind of sort of do one or two of those things isn’t going to cut it even if they are somewhat feasible safety wise. Trestolone (MENT) is the only other compound than testosterone that may work for some as a replacement biologically for testosterone.

for long term health benefits from HRT I personally feel it’s important to try and use bio identical hormones to those we produce naturally.

mainly because the body knows what to do with them and there’s isn’t any undue added stresses (assuming doses aren’t high).

so test, nandrolone and estrogen.

for sure something like dbol can cover the estrogen cascade instead of test but personally I wouldn’t want to take dbol as a long term thing (I am just coming from a health standpoint rather than optimal gains - if ones aim is purely muscle building at the expense of health it’s just a different question and becomes about what you can get away with).

 

[tubzy]

I gotta say, this is actually pretty interesting. Have you found any other studies on Halotestin where the effects on the liver/kidneys were evaluated? I can’t really find any.

No - at least not yet but I checked pretty heavily into it. It is hard to find since research took place mainly in the 50s and 60s most of it is from a while back. All of the information I have seen and researched on halotestin have not shown one study that demonstrated liver impairment and no one could provide me any clinical evidence either.

I actually did find a rat study that measured the metabolization of halo on different hepatic functions. None of the traditional liver parameters came back alarming (still normal) after 8 weeks - can't get the full study for some reason though.

Effect of training and anabolic-androgenic steroids on drug metabolism in rat liver - PubMed

The effects of anabolic-androgenic steroid administration and exercise training on various aspects of hepatic function were investigated in sedentary and trained (treadmill for 12 wk) male and female rats treated orally with fluoxymesterone or methylandrostanolone (2 mg.kg-1 body weight, 5...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Blacktail70]

Would love to see more on halo and the liver.

 

[Renew1]

Would love to see more on halo and the liver.

I haven't seen any in this thread.

 

[Mathb33]

Would love to see more on halo and the liver.

There is absolutely no studies on Halotestins toxicity on liver/kidneys. The only studies were micro doses for other purposes. So the only way you make your opinion on the subject is to try it yourself for a couple weeks or ask people who’ve used, which clearly nobody has in this thread.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6288442/ Only study for liver was on dogs

 

[tubzy]

There is absolutely no studies on Halotestins toxicity on liver/kidneys. The only studies were micro doses for other purposes. So the only way you make your opinion on the subject is to try it yourself for a couple weeks or ask people who’ve used, which clearly nobody has in this thread.

Halotest only cycle at 20mg for 4 weeks. Liver values were still normal according to his post blood tests.

Halotestin update

a while back i posted a thread about taking Halotestin for a month by itself at 20mg a day to see if it would help with my weight loss, and here are my results. was able to lose 30lbs. no side effects except for slight aggresion, and a little acne. my vascularity improved. my blood pressure...

thinksteroids.com

Can you please provide some anecdotal evidence/logs of people taking halotest only with liver issues that also had confirmed lab work afterwards?

 

[tubzy]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6288442/ Only study for liver was on dogs

Full study:
sci-hub.se/10.1016/0014-4800(82)90018-1

Pretty interesting though looks like their were some minor alterations in the ER at about 6-10 days from the liver biopsy. But from an overall toxicity standpoint its probably not relevant.

RESULTS The FM-treated dogs showed a 5% decrease in body weight during the dosage period without any toxic signs and recovered to the weights before the treatment when the drug was discontinued for 30 days. The control dogs showed no significant body weight changes.

 

[Renew1]

I dint

Halotest only cycle at 20mg for 4 weeks. Liver values were still normal according to his post blood tests.

Halotestin update

a while back i posted a thread about taking Halotestin for a month by itself at 20mg a day to see if it would help with my weight loss, and here are my results. was able to lose 30lbs. no side effects except for slight aggresion, and a little acne. my vascularity improved. my blood pressure...

thinksteroids.com

Can you please provide some anecdotal evidence/logs of people taking halotest only with liver issues that also had confirmed lab work afterwards?

I don't see any blood tests.

I don't know that guy.... Never heard of him.
And he does sound like a Newb.
That post was from 2009, and he disappeared off that board 6 months later.

 

[tubzy]

I dint

I don't see any blood tests.

I don't know that guy.... Never heard of him.
And he does sound like a Newb.
That post was from 2009, and he disappeared off that board 6 months later.

Lol..now show me fully documented blood work of these logs of people's liver failing on halotestin only cycles..otherwise keep parroting Dylan Gemelli videos.

 

[Renew1]

Lol..now show me fully documented blood work of these logs of people's liver failing on halotestin only cycles..otherwise keep parroting Dylan Gemelli videos.

HEY !!!
WATCH YOUR MOUTH!

SHOW ME WHERE I SAID ANY OF THAT!!

 

[Renew1]

GO AHEAD BIG TALKER!!!.....

BACK UP YOUR WORDS!!!

I'M WAITING!!

 

[Renew1]

You can't even back up what YOU SAY...
MUCH LESS, CRAP YOU MADE UP ABOUT ME.

WHAT A PIECE OF WORK.

 

[Renew1]

I blocked that LIAR.

 

[Renew1]

What a LIAR.

 

[Whisky]

how to trigger someone who talks sense about aas - accuse them of parroting Dylan

the link to the other thread didn’t show bloods I could see, I’m intrigued by the claim a doctor was prescribing halotest in 2009 for weight loss? Not
Saying that didn’t happen but never heard of that before.

the bro that the poster stated knew more than him did come in and say it shouldn’t be run long term (doesn’t directly say due to toxicity but that would be a safe inference imo).

aside from use pwo/pre comp/poss final prep stage as an auxiliary I’m not sure why someone would use it as a big hitter in a stack over a sustained period REGARDLESS of toxicity. I’ve used it a few time pwo, didn’t make a massive difference but I knew I was on it. Long term there I just feel their are better DHT’s to use.......

 

[Renew1]

how to trigger someone who talks sense about aas - accuse them of parroting Dylan

the link to the other thread didn’t show bloods I could see, I’m intrigued by the claim a doctor was prescribing halotest in 2009 for weight loss? Not
Saying that didn’t happen but never heard of that before.

the bro that the poster stated knew more than him did come in and say it shouldn’t be run long term (doesn’t directly say due to toxicity but that would be a safe inference imo).

aside from use pwo/pre comp/poss final prep stage as an auxiliary I’m not sure why someone would use it as a big hitter in a stack over a sustained period REGARDLESS of toxicity. I’ve used it a few time pwo, didn’t make a massive difference but I knew I was on it. Long term there I just feel their are better DHT’s to use.......

LOL.
Yep.

I hadn't even commented on Halo really, BTW. I was just noting the lack of any evidence being presented on his part, right before he basically said, "Now you show your evidence".

I agree with you on Halo.
I never recommend it.
Honestly, most who are intrigued by it are either kids, of Newbs.

In my opinion, it has a VERY Limited practical use, among a VERY Small group of guys.

 

[tubzy]

LOL.
Yep.

I hadn't even commented on Halo, BTW. I was just noting the lack of any evidence being presented on his part, right before he basically said, "Now you show your evidence".

I agree with you on Halo.
I never recommend it.
Honestly, most who are intrigued by it are either kids, of Newbs.

In my opinion, it has a VERY Limited practical use, among a VERY Small group of guys.

I'm joking bro relax Dylan must have hit a nerve

I don't think you read the entire thread though. I presented clinical evidence if you read my other posts while others are arguing that halotestin is super liver toxic compared to other due to the "substantial amount of anecdotal logs that people's liver are failing" and "its a joke to debate that" none of which was presented and to your point not even with documented blood work.

So your point of lack of evidence in a forum log is actually aligned with my initial argument Lol