Halodrol replacement!

MattHines said:
I'll give you a headstart...heres a great read on Halo Invalid Link Removed

And yes, ATD is garbage. I ran it solo and got awesome strength but I also got dry joints, lethargy, moodiness and low libido. Those are definately not things I would want during PCT. I never understood why people used it.
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That was a great read...I read every single post! Thank you for that :) It definitely has me rethinking the length and dosages of my cycle.

I think I will now run Halo for 6 weeks. I would like to stack it with something but I'm simply not convinced that Mega-zol contributes that significantly to lean mass gains to be worth the money. And I want to stay away from products like TRN because they're progestin based, and max lmg killed my sex drive. Any ideas on other compounds I could stack with Halo? Ergomax at 10mg or PP at 10mg maybe? (shrugging shoulders!).
 
Terminator LMG said:
I think I will now run Halo for 6 weeks. I would like to stack it with something but I'm simply not convinced that Mega-zol contributes that significantly to lean mass gains to be worth the money. And I want to stay away from products like TRN because they're progestin based, and max lmg killed my sex drive. Any ideas on other compounds I could stack with Halo? Ergomax at 10mg or PP at 10mg maybe? (shrugging shoulders!).
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The advantage to the ZOL and TRN is that they're not methylated and thus more liver friendly. PP and Emax are methylated, so stacking with Halodrol (another methylated compound) is definitely not liver friendly.
 
TeamSavage said:
If you do this, try to get some pre- and post- bloodwork if possible. I'm going to do the same when I get around to running a Halo cycle. For $50 you can get the liver panel and lipids done through Labcorp, so its only $100 total for pre and post. I did this for my Superdrol cycle and it was money well spent.
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I will have to contact my pcp and see what the costs of getting these values taken would be. Last time my doc took my values, I told him that I didn't have any insurance. He told me not to worry and that it's not a prob, that I can have anything tested free of charge. So I rattled off test and free test and LH and FSH etc. Now, keep in mind that I had just told him that I didn't have any insurance, and he said it wouldn't cost me anything. So rather than advising me against having those values taken because of their extremely high cost, he sent me a bill for $500 dollars from the lab instead. Yeah...we're not on the best of terms right now. Why did he let me have those expensive ass tests done when I just told him I was low on money and didn't have insurance to cover it???
 
Many MDs never see the testing bills, so they have no idea what it costs. Does seem like kind of an a$$ though for at least not warning you.

If you had gotten those tests directly through LabCorp (that's just the one I use, there are other good ones out there) the cost would be $129. You just place the order online or by phone through labsafe.com, they fax you your documentation and give you the nearest location, and then you go in and get the blood drawn whenever you want. Easy.
 
Terminator LMG said:
That was a great read...I read every single post! Thank you for that :) It definitely has me rethinking the length and dosages of my cycle.

I think I will now run Halo for 6 weeks. I would like to stack it with something but I'm simply not convinced that Mega-zol contributes that significantly to lean mass gains to be worth the money. And I want to stay away from products like TRN because they're progestin based, and max lmg killed my sex drive. Any ideas on other compounds I could stack with Halo? Ergomax at 10mg or PP at 10mg maybe? (shrugging shoulders!).
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PP at 10mg is a good idea but honestly, a 6-weeker of HD ranging from 50mg to 100mg dosages should give you plenty of gains on its own. I don't feel that 10mg stacked of PP per day would be that harsh on your liver but some may disagree. Another thing to think about is if you run HD solo, you can judge how effective HD is alone but if you throw something else into the mix, you will skew the results. Ive always believed in running one compound solo before stacking it just to see what sides/gains you get so you know what effects can be attributed to what compounds.

As for Zol and TRN, they are crap. They arent strong at all and dont give that great of gains...certainly not worth the shutdown/sides.
 
Stupes said:
I am a 6'3" 215 lbs. ectomorph. I graduated high school at 155 and worked up to 205 over the years before I even thought about touching any chemicals. So I have a decent amount of muscle even though I'm 6'3". But for instance - I took 20mg of M1T for 30 days and went from 210 to 220 but went down to 215 a month after post cycle therapy. I figure 50mg of Halo should have done the trick. I suspect some other guys have gotten zero from it also. When I say zero - I mean zero - my recovery time didn't even change - I might as well have been taking aspirin. It was pretty stupid.
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What was your diet like? How many cals were you taking in a day? If you are an ectomorph at that height and that weight you probably have to eat an enormous amount of good food to put on weight. And if you were were taking a steroid such as H 50 you probably would have to force yourself to eat even more to get in enough calories on cycle. What was your macro breakdown while on cycle? (Wondering because you were able to put 50 lbs. on naturally before touching AAS)

What was your PCT like for your M1T cycle? It seems like you lost most of your gains...

You also say that H 50 should have "done the trick" after an M1T cycle, making it sound like you took H 50 shortly after your M1T cycle in an effort to re-make some gains that were lost. How long was it in between your M1T cycle and your H 50 cycle? If it was shortly after I wouldn't be surprised at all if you didn't get any results from it.

Also, what lot # was your H 50?

I'm not trying to flame you at all, there might be a lot information that simply you may not have stated. Just from looking at your post however there seem to be a lot of holes that may explain why things went array.

On another note...

I'm a "bigger" guy I guess you can say, usually around 215-225 depending. I just finished a H-50 cycle and it was nothing short of amazing. By amazing I mean that i suffered ZERO sides, made great strength gains, had VERY increased muscle hardness and VERY increased vascularity. Set a few PR's while I was on cycle. If anyone wants details of my cycle, diet, training, or PCT let me know and I'll post it. Just thought that I would share that I'm on the upper end of the scale and responded VERY well to H 50. The box I used was the first batch and I will post the lot numbers as soon as I find the old box. I have boxes from the other lot numbers as well and will post the results as I use them.
 
MattHines said:
Mikey,
What dosages did you use and how long was your cycle?

I'm assuming 50mg for 30days
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:thumbsup: you got it...Just did the normal dosing protocol...

Before I started the cycle I was considering upping the dosage during the 3rd or 4th week and run the cycle 2 weeks longer, similiar to how people have already mentioned. But it was my first time using the compound and everyone i know personally had great results with it so I figured I'd run it @ just 50 ED...and the cycle went great with no need to tweak it.

I honestly feel even if dosed higher I probably wouldn't get much more out of it considering how great it went.

Also, PCT was a breeze and I retained ALL of my gains AND strength. I would imagine the more you took the harder it would be to hold onto them.

For those planning a H 50 cycle, run it normal, and take it from there.
 
Awesome thanks for the feedback.

I'm probably gonna run it at 50/50/50/75/75/100 or something similar at the end of my next cycle. luckily i got a good deal on two bottles of Mega H
 
MiKeY - Glad to hear that your cycle went so well. How was your libido on-cycle? During PCT? Did you notice any testicular shrinkage or other signs of "shutdown"?
 
MattHines said:
PP at 10mg is a good idea but honestly, a 6-weeker of HD ranging from 50mg to 100mg dosages should give you plenty of gains on its own. I don't feel that 10mg stacked of PP per day would be that harsh on your liver but some may disagree. Another thing to think about is if you run HD solo, you can judge how effective HD is alone but if you throw something else into the mix, you will skew the results. Ive always believed in running one compound solo before stacking it just to see what sides/gains you get so you know what effects can be attributed to what compounds.

As for Zol and TRN, they are crap. They arent strong at all and dont give that great of gains...certainly not worth the shutdown/sides.
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Yeah, I agree with you 100% about running a compound solo the first time around to figure out how your body will respond. Didn't the original Halo have some DMT mixed in with it anyways?? If so, it seems like Halo would be well stacked with some Ergomax or PP anyways.

It seems that everyone says that weeks 3-4 are when the results REALLY start to kick in. I may just play this cycle by ear, and based on my progress, decide whether or not I will add a sprinkle of DMT. I guess I can always keep it as an option.
 
MattHines said:
Awesome thanks for the feedback.

I'm probably gonna run it at 50/50/50/75/75/100 or something similar at the end of my next cycle. luckily i got a good deal on two bottles of Mega H
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I think I may do the same cycle as you :cheers: When are you starting??
 
MiKeY ReSp said:
I'm a "bigger" guy I guess you can say, usually around 215-225 depending. I just finished a H-50 cycle and it was nothing short of amazing. By amazing I mean that i suffered ZERO sides, made great strength gains, had VERY increased muscle hardness and VERY increased vascularity.
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Hey MikeY,

What % of bodyfat are you carrying at 215-225lbs?? Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you post the details of your Halo cycle...diet, macro breakdown, training schedule, pct??? How many calories above maintenance did you eat? Did you gain any bodyfat from that and did you notice the "fat stripping effect" like others have mentioned even while eating above maintenance?

Thanks for your time in responding :)
 
TeamSavage said:
MiKeY - Glad to hear that your cycle went so well. How was your libido on-cycle? During post cycle therapy? Did you notice any testicular shrinkage or other signs of "shutdown"?
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Thank you! The cycle went G-R-E-A-T!

As for libido, for about the first week or so, I noticed no change it at all, no increase or decrease.

During sometime during the second week, I noticed a huge increase in libido. It was actually to a point where my woman couldn't keep up anymore and shes a sexaholic.

During PCT, it was actually great because I still had my libido up, but soon after it just returned to normal.

As for testicular shrinkage, I experienced none at all and did not notice any other signs of shutdown. I did not feel supressed at all from what I saw. Ejaculate consistency, volume, and appearance was all normal throughout the cycle and PCT and my balls remained the same size.

This is what made my H-50 cycle so great to me. It was such a nice clean cycle and I didn' suffer any sides from it all. (Not to say that something else was going on inside that I wasn't aware of)

...Hope this helps!

-Mike
 
MattHines said:
I ordered some Mega H by Generic Labz. its the same compound. i believe hemadrol is the same compound as well. there are several clones available.
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Hey Matt, when do you plan on running the Mega H? I have a few boxes of Gaspari H-50, but think I might pick up a bottle or two because of the price. I know Generic Labz is a stand-up company with a great rep, but when it comes to these orals all I have ever bought or used was the originals.
 
Mikey and Terminator,
To be honest, I probably won't touch this stuff for a little while. I am on an injectable cycle right now with 7 weeks left to go. Then, I'm gonna take 8 weeks off and hop back on another. I will probably run Test/Deca with Dbol jumpstart and add in the Mega H for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. So, its gonna be a good few months before I get to try it. I cant wait though.

It should be the perfect end to a bulker so I can pack on a few more lean pounds and lose a little fat.

In my mind, though, with its low toxicity and with how long it takes to kick in, the best way to run it would be a 6 week cycle with dosages ranging from 50mg to 100mg. This would take two bottles so make sure you have two on hand before you start. I got a good deal on mine ($25/each) so a total cycle will only cost me $50. The original HD was about $50 for one bottle and thats what steared me away from it.
 
MattHines said:
Mikey and Terminator,
To be honest, I probably won't touch this stuff for a little while. I am on an injectable cycle right now with 7 weeks left to go. Then, I'm gonna take 8 weeks off and hop back on another. I will probably run Test/Deca with Dbol jumpstart and add in the Mega H for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. So, its gonna be a good few months before I get to try it. I cant wait though.

It should be the perfect end to a bulker so I can pack on a few more lean pounds and lose a little fat.

In my mind, though, with its low toxicity and with how long it takes to kick in, the best way to run it would be a 6 week cycle with dosages ranging from 50mg to 100mg. This would take two bottles so make sure you have two on hand before you start. I got a good deal on mine ($25/each) so a total cycle will only cost me $50. The original HD was about $50 for one bottle and thats what steared me away from it.
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The test/deca/dbol/H-50 cycle sounds killer! Sounds like an awesome cycle and I think the H-50 will make the end of the cycle finish out REALLY strong.

I see your taking 8 weeks off after your current cycle. I don't have much experience with injectables, but isn't time off=time on + PCT? So shouldn't that be around 12 weeks off or so? I'm most likely wrong and its probably completely different for injectables but I thought I should throw that out there. Thanks for the reply and good luck with the rest of your cycle!

-Mike
 
Yea your right that is the typical protocol that people advise however so long as levels are returned to normal, there really isnt a problem with hopping back on this quickly. time off = time on is advisable but its hard to stick to.
 
I just wanted to chime in (since new to this thread) that I just started a stack of halodrol-superdrol-havoc (the real stuff). It's just one pill a day, 30 day cycle. But was told that it's a great stack. I am only about a week into it. I've done a lot of different research on the different compounds, and read up a lot on reviews but never have seen anyone else on here take this same stack? Just wondering if anyone has any opinions. I am currently taking milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and taurine, and plan on taking pct and a test booster as well as a liver flush by the time I am finished.
 
I hope you have a serm for PCT. What is the name of the product and what is the millagrams of each ingrediant? At i pill a day my guess is Halo at 25mg, Superdrol at 10mg and epi at 10mg. I would do 2 a day if that's the case to get the most out of this cycle. . You have 3 methyls in there which is never good for the liver and lipids.
 
Sixpackabs said:
I just wanted to chime in (since new to this thread) that I just started a stack of halodrol-superdrol-havoc (the real stuff). It's just one pill a day, 30 day cycle. But was told that it's a great stack. I am only about a week into it. I've done a lot of different research on the different compounds, and read up a lot on reviews but never have seen anyone else on here take this same stack? Just wondering if anyone has any opinions. I am currently taking milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and taurine, and plan on taking pct and a test booster as well as a liver flush by the time I am finished.
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You would probably be better off starting a new thread in Cycle Info forum: Invalid Link Removed
 
halo 25- super 20- havoc 10. Since being a week into it (at 1 a day) should I take 2 a day beginning week 2 and so on until i run out (30 day cycle)? I've heard that when dealing with halo that u don't get the full effect until 6 weeks...So im assuming if i up my dosage to 2/day I will need enough to atleast get me to 6 weeks. Anyone else that's used this same cycle has gone 1/day 30 days or even 1/day for 60 days.
 
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