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Halo/TRN/Pro

SwollOnIron

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Hey, I am logging this at another board, but thought I would share a little love and give updates here too. Training GVT 10x3 method.

Starting weight: 227lbs

Days 1-4: 12mg Halo, 4mg TRN, 100mg Pro
Day 5-14 (present) 75mg Halo, 6mg TRN, 200mg PRo

Found out generic halo was under dosed, so decided to burn through my two bottles of semi bunk product with one box gaspari halo. Will do about 38 days total including the 4 day inital ramp up, 30 days of 75mg halo and others, and 4 days of a similar ramp down.

OK, here is the 2 week recap: Up 10lbs!, currently very mild stack with no effect on daily life (not like SD, where you lie down every 10 min bc of back pain - I truly cannot even tell I am on anything side wise). Initially experienced moodiness and a decline in mental agility, but that has resolved. Also, as a neg - I have not experienced any recomping, and have suprisingly suffered from a lot of bloat ?/! Go figure.

I am not sure what to do about the bloating issue - it seems very strange to me...I may consider upping the Pro 50mg. I will keep everything else (halo/TRN) where it is until gains stop.

Feedback welcome.
 
have you tried throwing in some type of anti estrogen for bloat atd or maybe a low dose of l-dex or tamox? I haven't used atd but people say it helps I can tell you from past experience the l-dex or tamox has always helped me with bloat from orals.
 
Actually tonight I am scheduled to take my first dose of ATD and I3C. I will take 25mg ATD and 200mg I3C every night for the remainder of the cycle.
 
28 days in:

Ok, so far I am up to 243.5lbs (started at 227lbs = +16.5lbs)

Started with: 75mg Halo, 200mg Pro, 6mg TRN

Sides started to get to me about the end of 3rd week (back pain, fatigue, bladder discomfort). At the end of week 3, I dropped the Pro and cut 25mg Halo.

I am now in week 4 have decided to go 6 weeks (or until I hit 250-255lbs), so am bridging this week with 40mg X-mass. TRN will run out in 2 days, so will up X-mass to 80mg. Halo will run out in 6 days, so I will add in 15mg Pheramone-X.

When week 5 gets fully under way I will be running 80mg X-mass and 15mg PP. Week 6 if needed will be 120mg X-mass and 15-30mg PP. I may actually hit 250ish on week 4 (possible) and I am prepared to do a Taper of the Halo and TRN if I get close and begin PCT).

BIG CONCERN: THis cycle TOTALLY failed as a recomping/cutter. I just got more bloat (even with ATD and I3C) and am more fat now than when I started. I am totaly shocked by this.

On the bright side, I am up 16.5lbs, Arms are 0.5" bigger cold (first thing in morning) and I am much stronger. Sides did not start to become an issue/apparent until end of 3rd week. My advice to anyone interested in something like this: STOP at 3 weeks. Life got better when I dropped the Pro and cut down the Halo (and suprisingly I feel "euphoric" with the addition of the X-mass - but temper is stronger).

Will update again at 250lbs +

Feel free to ask Q's or comment. Opinions/Advice always welcome.
 
That is odd I thought that stack would be a total recomper it's actually what i was thinking of doing for my next cut/
 
something had to be wrong with your diet because there is no way you should have even bloated up let alone gained fat from using these products. Next time, up your fluid intake, cut back on sodium rich/fatty foods and keep the cardio at a minimum of 45 min/day.
 
I am just as amazed as you guys are (and sceptical) that I had bloat and fat gain.

In all honesty, and to clarify, I NEVER did 45 min cardio.

Water intake was 1.5gal min - 2.25 gal on the top end (not much variation). So I should shoot for 2.5gal+ every day?


Lifted GVT 10x3 method (as written about at T-nation) to see how it worked. I think I will go back to HIT next week, so I can add in more cardio.

In response to another question: Yes, 5 orals total, possibly 4 if I do not add in PP. Never more that 3 at once but only methyl so far was Halo.
 
SwollOnIron said:
In response to another question: Yes, 5 orals total, possibly 4 if I do not add in PP. Never more that 3 at once but only methyl so far was Halo.
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I'm not harping on you dude, because it's your life. But, three orals at once is still gross, and 4-5 in total in that timeframe is not the brightest thing. I'm not lecturing or challenging you, just voicing my opinion.
 
Hey Mulletsoldier, I appreciate the feedback/info. If I did not want opinions and input I would not post on a public forum. By talking through things, or point out oversites/dangerous actions, we can all be helped.

Well, what would you suggest instead?

I am contemplating just stopping the cycle and going into PCT in a few days also, so nothing is set in stone. I would like it to be (inflexible), and had everything planned out - then the Halo went bad (underdosed), cycle didn't recomp, and now I find myself very close to 250lbs, so am considering just "pushing" it the extra week or so it will take to get there.

Please discuss - educate me (in all seriousness)
 
It would seem to me that the Halo is causing your bloat problems. If you want a true recomp stick with the ZOL/TRN for the remainder of your planned cycle, eating a little below maintenance or right at it. I wouldn't add in those extra orals, 3 orals at once scares me, as does 5 in one period.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
It would seem to me that the Halo is causing your bloat problems. If you want a true recomp stick with the ZOL/TRN for the remainder of your planned cycle, eating a little below maintenance or right at it. I wouldn't add in those extra orals, 3 orals at once scares me, as does 5 in one period.
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Imo it's not the halo to blame for the bloat issue. In my experience with halo it's great at leaning/recomp and I've never bloated at all on it, but then again that's me adn everyone is different. I think like grexx said it's probably more of a diet issue with sodium/fluid intake.
 
Yeah, thats the thing - Every where you read, people loose fat while on Halo. I thought it would be the perfect addition.

I am assuming that my fluid intake is too LOW ? So I will really pound the water (I am already urinating every 30min), and cut sodium more (currently only eating one meal per day with medium sodium content. Everythng else is oats, protein, tuna, rice etc. About One time a day I eat at a resturant (usually order steak or burger - no fried foods).

Hmm..maybe I need some more diet advice? I will begin upping my cardio on Monday also.
 
SwollOnIron said:
Yeah, thats the thing - Every where you read, people loose fat while on Halo. I thought it would be the perfect addition.

I am assuming that my fluid intake is too LOW ? So I will really pound the water (I am already urinating every 30min), and cut sodium more (currently only eating one meal per day with medium sodium content. Everythng else is oats, protein, tuna, rice etc. About One time a day I eat at a resturant (usually order steak or burger - no fried foods).

Hmm..maybe I need some more diet advice? I will begin upping my cardio on Monday also.
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What is your carb to protein intake ratio. imo it's probablly the cardio I am like you when "on" I put on alot of weight that i have to offset mainly through diet and a ton of cardio
 
SwollOnIron said:
Yeah, thats the thing - Every where you read, people loose fat while on Halo. I thought it would be the perfect addition.

I am assuming that my fluid intake is too LOW ? So I will really pound the water (I am already urinating every 30min), and cut sodium more (currently only eating one meal per day with medium sodium content. Everythng else is oats, protein, tuna, rice etc. About One time a day I eat at a resturant (usually order steak or burger - no fried foods).

Hmm..maybe I need some more diet advice? I will begin upping my cardio on Monday also.
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yeah Halo is great for dropping some bf......I think your right you need to increase your fluid intake and really cut back on the sodium. I know when I do it makes a big difference in my appearance. Good luck with the rest of the cycle.
 
Well, I have a few day left on the halo, so not much time to take maximum advantage of increased hydration.

What are your thoughts on including USP cAMP and MHP's Anadrox into the last week or 2 of my cycle and into PCT?
 
mixedup said:
What is your carb to protein intake ratio. imo it's probablly the cardio I am like you when "on" I put on alot of weight that i have to offset mainly through diet and a ton of cardio
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Usually hovers around 1.5g protein : 1g carb, some days as high as 1:1 protein:carb, but never lower, sometimes higher (2:1 or more).
 
Also, I am only eating about 500K more than maintenance. I was gaining muslce before I got ON, and thought that the increased anabolism of the PH would make it all muscle.
 
SwollOnIron said:
28 days in:

Ok, so far I am up to 243.5lbs (started at 227lbs = +16.5lbs)

Started with: 75mg Halo, 200mg Pro, 6mg TRN

Sides started to get to me about the end of 3rd week (back pain, fatigue, bladder discomfort). At the end of week 3, I dropped the Pro and cut 25mg Halo.

I am now in week 4 have decided to go 6 weeks (or until I hit 250-255lbs), so am bridging this week with 40mg X-mass. TRN will run out in 2 days, so will up X-mass to 80mg. Halo will run out in 6 days, so I will add in 15mg Pheramone-X.

When week 5 gets fully under way I will be running 80mg X-mass and 15mg PP. Week 6 if needed will be 120mg X-mass and 15-30mg PP. I may actually hit 250ish on week 4 (possible) and I am prepared to do a Taper of the Halo and TRN if I get close and begin post cycle therapy).

BIG CONCERN: THis cycle TOTALLY failed as a recomping/cutter. I just got more bloat (even with ATD and I3C) and am more fat now than when I started. I am totaly shocked by this.

On the bright side, I am up 16.5lbs, Arms are 0.5" bigger cold (first thing in morning) and I am much stronger. Sides did not start to become an issue/apparent until end of 3rd week. My advice to anyone interested in something like this: STOP at 3 weeks. Life got better when I dropped the Pro and cut down the Halo (and suprisingly I feel "euphoric" with the addition of the X-mass - but temper is stronger).

Will update again at 250lbs +

Feel free to ask Q's or comment. Opinions/Advice always welcome.
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Nice gains by the way..... if I may offer some insight as nobody seems to have mentioned this: many of the newer orals hit the MR receptor pretty hard. Using ATD/nolva yada yada won't help in the least bit (unless you were running some dbol, then nolva would help). These products don't aromatize at all. This all points to the MR receptor causing some inter/intra cellular water retention. This will go away once you stop the cycle, heading out the body as piss.
SwingGuru
 
SwingGuru said:
Nice gains by the way..... if I may offer some insight as nobody seems to have mentioned this: many of the newer orals hit the MR receptor pretty hard. Using ATD/nolva yada yada won't help in the least bit (unless you were running some dbol, then nolva would help). These products don't aromatize at all. This all points to the MR receptor causing some inter/intra cellular water retention. This will go away once you stop the cycle, heading out the body as piss.
SwingGuru
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Hey man - thanks for the help. Now a little more help please - what is the MR receptor? I am running through biochem abbreviations in my head and I cannot come up with a match.

BTW - up 20lbs now. Hope I can keep it. I will hold off buying new cloths for another month to make sure I keep 99% of it.
 
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