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Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing

A good cause for all the Chuck Norris fans in here:

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kenpoengineer said:
A good cause for all the Chuck Norris fans in here:

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Definitely buying one. Besides being an awesome shirt, doing martial arts as a kid was huge for me. It's probably one of the best things kids can do; it teaches discipline and respect, as well as self-defense (better at preventing bullying than posting on social media), and is good exercise. Sorry for the rant, haha.
 
HIT4ME said:
I don't think you can injure yourself ever if you are using a weight you can control and in good form. All a muscle does is contract so as long as there are no torquing type forces, impacts, etc. Injurybrisk is pretty low.
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My personal experience says you're wrong.
 
I think a lot of factors go into staying injury free, and I'm more from the side of not properly warming up is what causes injury. Also I believe even thing such as improper diet and also the amount of sleep you get and the sleep schedule plays more into injury prevention than the training you are doing.
 
Kaprice said:
My personal experience says you're wrong.
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Fair enough. Do you believe people get hurt more or less while using machines?
 
SilentSavage0523 said:
I think a lot of factors go into staying injury free, and I'm more from the side of not properly warming up is what causes injury. Also I believe even thing such as improper diet and also the amount of sleep you get and the sleep schedule plays more into injury prevention than the training you are doing.
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Improper rest is a huge factor in injury prevention. Especially is you are using maximal weight that day.
 
HIT4ME said:
Fair enough. Do you believe people get hurt more or less while using machines?
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I don't have enough info to even guess at that.

But, even if there are fewer injuries from machines, there are more variables than simply bad form.

We can debate causes and preventions and exceptions but I don't think there's any way of disputing that, in general, older people get hurt exercising -- especially with heavier weights -- than younger people.
 
Kaprice said:
I don't have enough info to even guess at that.

But, even if there are fewer injuries from machines, there are more variables than simply bad form.

We can debate causes and preventions and exceptions but I don't think there's any way of disputing that, in general, older people get hurt exercising -- especially with heavier weights -- than younger people.
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HEY!!! I resemble that remark!
 
I think that amounts to structural integrity more than anything else
 
If bad form would be the main culprit, any hard labor would cause injuries.

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Kaprice said:
I don't have enough info to even guess at that.

But, even if there are fewer injuries from machines, there are more variables than simply bad form.

We can debate causes and preventions and exceptions but I don't think there's any way of disputing that, in general, older people get hurt exercising -- especially with heavier weights -- than younger people.
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Weight lifting is about movement patterns. You can have bad movement patterns in anything you do.

But you raise a good question : do you believe more older people get hurt lifting weights than younger people?

hairygrandpa said:
If bad form would be the main culprit, any hard labor would cause injuries.

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Hard labor does cause injuries a lot. As a matter of fact, I spent yesterday swinging an axe and a sledge hammer, jumping on a dumpster. And trying to force a dumpster gate to shut. The result...(which I partially blame in this injury talk we are having). ..i pulled a back muscle very badly somehow. Hurts to walk badly. Had to skip my workout. Hope it will be better by tomorrow.

But what about that photo is bad form? He looks to have a neutral spine, packed shoulders, etc. Haha.
 
HIT4ME said:
Hard labor does cause injuries a lot. As a matter of fact, I spent yesterday swinging an axe and a sledge hammer, jumping on a dumpster. And trying to force a dumpster gate to shut. The result...(which I partially blame in this injury talk we are having). ..i pulled a back muscle very badly somehow. Hurts to walk badly.
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Injured right after the first day? That shows, you are not suited for hard labor. :) LMAO
 
hairygrandpa said:
Injured right after the first day? That shows, you are not suited for hard labor. :) LMAO
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lol - I guess I should avoid labor altogether. The sledgehammer I was using was only 15 pounds though, and the axe was probably less than 5, so I'm not sure how resistance played a role. :) I'm just a weak girl with a pink pocketbook.
 
I still remember repping out on 405 dedz and then getting home and twisting something bad just move a measley little couch! I told myself the problem was no warmup!
 
Tank999 said:
I still remember repping out on 405 dedz and then getting home and twisting something bad just move a measley little couch! I told myself the problem was no warmup!
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I guess we worry too much over good form doing specific exercises only, instead of doing all kinds of movements like in real life.
A few days ago, when I held a watermelon, it was heavy as fugg, because it had no handle to grab it, meaning we are NOT getting stronger for daily tasks.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I guess we worry too much over good form doing specific exercises only, instead of doing all kinds of movements like in real life.
A few days ago, when I held a watermelon, it was heavy as fugg, because it had no handle to grab it, meaning we are NOT getting stronger for daily tasks.
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This is why deadlifting and to a lesser degree, squatting are so crucial. They are movements that translate to real life the best. Bad motions can always cause injuries.. but weakness is what makes you injury prone. Even being strong you can hurt yourself lifting a 20 pound object or even no object at all ...just twisting wrong. People over rate the factor of resistance in injuries
 
IMO, maintaining "perfect" form is not possible when you're pushing for new numbers. If you're trying to grow, you should be doing some things to failure. And if you're going to failure, I have to believe that something isn't maintaining perfect form. It might be a small support muscle, but if it fails, there is a chain reaction of events.
 
Famine said:
IMO, maintaining "perfect" form is not possible when you're pushing for new numbers. If you're trying to grow, you should be doing some things to failure. And if you're going to failure, I have to believe that something isn't maintaining perfect form. It might be a small support muscle, but if it fails, there is a chain reaction of events.
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That kind of goes along with my original point - we ALL have form breakdowns at some point. The ideal is to train the movement to the point where it becomes imprinted in your nervous system so that you "default" to good form when things start to get hard. If you don't have good squat form and then start throwing weight on there, you are going to use more crappy form, and when that breaks down under heavy load, you are in trouble. People who squat REALLY heavy weights have usually practiced the movement so much that it just happens the right way every time. They don't know how to do it any other way, unless something unusual happens/goes wrong.

Failure doesn't necessarily mean your form will break down either, but it is often a point at which we cheat and can get hurt. I mean, the fact is it's the cheating through failure that's actually the issue. Realizing you can't do it anymore with muscle tension and cheating to use momentum is when you get hurt.

And for me, I've had a few novices that I've helped and I have had a few people make observations of me when lifting - and I KNOW that while we all think we are following text book form, unless there is someone there watching you, it is really hard to know what you're doing wrong.

I've had people lift and I say, "Stop doing X" and they go, "OK." And then do it again, and I repeat, "You're doing X, stop" and they do it again, and it just repeats....because their brain doesn't even realize they are doing it that way, it's all they know. And I've had people say to me, "Hey, you're doing this when you do this exercise." And I think, "Really? You sure?" This is why a lot of trainers talk about "cues" when lifting. Because giving someone a cue to set up for the lift can break these habits we don't realize what we're doing - like taking the slack out of a bar on a deadlift, or pulling your shoulders down, etc.
 
HIT4ME said:
do you believe more older people get hurt lifting weights than younger people?
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Of course. That's what I've been saying! -- in general. Obviously there are exceptions. Some young folk get injured and some old folk lift like crazy, injury free.
 
HIT4ME said:
lol - I guess I should avoid labor altogether. The sledgehammer I was using was only 15 pounds though, and the axe was probably less than 5, so I'm not sure how resistance played a role. :) I'm just a weak girl with a pink pocketbook.
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Because the impact with either 5 or 15 is massive. The shock stress on your entire body is crazy.
 
Today at the gym:
rp = rest pause set 10 sec.

I'm sick of doing chin ups with weights, so I changed my workout to: weighted chin ups.

Chin ups +45lbs
8 rp 3
Pull ups BW
9 rp 5
pull ups BW neutral grip
8 rp 4

triceps push down rope 100lbs
11/7/7/7 rp 4

DB biceps concentration curls 50lbs
6 rp 3
6 rp 2
5 rp 2

laying DB triceps extensions
2x35lbs x6
2x30lbs x11/9/9/7 rp 5

seated row
220lbs x12 rp 8 rp 6

cable overhead triceps extensions bar 60lbs tut 3.1.1
16/14/14/14/11 rp 8 rp5

cable one arm triceps extension 18lbs
9/8/8/7/7 rp 5 rp 3 rp 3

-doing them like this, bringing arm behind the body:
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DB Cross-Body Unilateral Triceps Extension 25lbs
10/10/9/9/9/8/8 rp 6 rp 4

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On my way out:
chin ups BW
9 rp 6 rp 3

Total: 52 sets, not bad for a cut.
 
Kaprice said:
Of course. That's what I've been saying! -- in general. Obviously there are exceptions. Some young folk get injured and some old folk lift like crazy, injury free.
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Yes, well, far more young people get hurt lifting weights than old people. Actually, the majority of injuries occur around the age of 27. Most lower back injuries occur in adolescents.

Kaprice said:
Because the impact with either 5 or 15 is massive. The shock stress on your entire body is crazy.
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You are correct. It can be amazing how a small weight with impact is so brutal.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Today at the gym:
rp = rest pause set 10 sec.

I'm sick of doing chin ups with weights, so I changed my workout to: weighted chin ups.

Chin ups +45lbs
8 rp 3
Pull ups BW
9 rp 5
pull ups BW neutral grip
8 rp 4

triceps push down rope 100lbs
11/7/7/7 rp 4

DB biceps concentration curls 50lbs
6 rp 3
6 rp 2
5 rp 2

laying DB triceps extensions
2x35lbs x6
2x30lbs x11/9/9/7 rp 5

seated row
220lbs x12 rp 8 rp 6

cable overhead triceps extensions bar 60lbs tut 3.1.1
16/14/14/14/11 rp 8 rp5

cable one arm triceps extension 18lbs
9/8/8/7/7 rp 5 rp 3 rp 3

-doing them like this, bringing arm behind the body:
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DB Cross-Body Unilateral Triceps Extension 25lbs
10/10/9/9/9/8/8 rp 6 rp 4

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On my way out:
chin ups BW
9 rp 6 rp 3

Total: 52 sets, not bad for a cut.
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How did you decide on 52? Why not 60 sets?

I had to take a 5 minute break just trying to finish reading that workout. You burned some calories there!
 
HIT4ME said:
How did you decide on 52? Why not 60 sets?

I had to take a 5 minute break just confining reading that workout. You burned some calories there!
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Counted the sets after the gym. As you can see, I'm doing again my intuitive workouts, deciding what to do in the moment. Next workout is chest, shoulders and some legs. Consumed about 1000 kcal before the workout to have energy, today's total will be around 1800 ish.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Today at the gym:
rp = rest pause set 10 sec.

I'm sick of doing chin ups with weights, so I changed my workout to: weighted chin ups.

Chin ups +45lbs
8 rp 3
Pull ups BW
9 rp 5
pull ups BW neutral grip
8 rp 4

triceps push down rope 100lbs
11/7/7/7 rp 4

DB biceps concentration curls 50lbs
6 rp 3
6 rp 2
5 rp 2

laying DB triceps extensions
2x35lbs x6
2x30lbs x11/9/9/7 rp 5

seated row
220lbs x12 rp 8 rp 6

cable overhead triceps extensions bar 60lbs tut 3.1.1
16/14/14/14/11 rp 8 rp5

cable one arm triceps extension 18lbs
9/8/8/7/7 rp 5 rp 3 rp 3

-doing them like this, bringing arm behind the body:
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DB Cross-Body Unilateral Triceps Extension 25lbs
10/10/9/9/9/8/8 rp 6 rp 4

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On my way out:
chin ups BW
9 rp 6 rp 3

Total: 52 sets, not bad for a cut.
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Epic volume there...??
 
Kaprice said:
I don't have enough info to even guess at that.

But, even if there are fewer injuries from machines, there are more variables than simply bad form.

We can debate causes and preventions and exceptions but I don't think there's any way of disputing that, in general, older people get hurt exercising -- especially with heavier weights -- than younger people.
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I can vouch for that.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, well, far more young people get hurt lifting weights than old people. Actually, the majority of injuries occur around the age of 27. Most lower back injuries occur in adolescents.





I think [MOST] older people have learned they are not indestructible and don't go kamikaze on workouts....

statistics can be interpreted many ways-saying that more young people get injured lifting weights could imply that if doing the exact same routine young people have a better percentage of getting hurt...which any reasonable thinking person would know is false!!!
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Alot of young guys go for ego weights while us older dudes have hopefully learned by now that a controlled movement with decent weight will git er done!
 
Cycle and future cycle plan:

Right before my vacations I'm initiating my cruise at 250mg Test-e/week.
I'm taking with me to Florida a small bottle of Dermatr3st as a test substitute, just in case I don't make it back to my country in time, because I'm in merica right when the election starts and I want to be prepared in case flights get cancelled, -or whatever. Don't want to go through a forced PCT without having any Serms on hand while traveling.

After I'm back I'm still cruising,cutting and healing -but want to give it a kick, bridging into a lean bulk looking like that:

Bulk starts at week 5:
1-5 test-e 250mg/w (2x125)
1-5 CJC 1295 + Dac 1.5mg/w (low dosage to prevent bloat)
1-5 TB-500 2.5mg twice weekly loading phase -using the "low test" cruise for healing due to better collagen synthesis
5-12 TB-500 2mg every 3 weeks
5-12 test-e 500mg/w (2x250)
5-12 NPP 100mg eod
1-12 IGF-LR3 eod /after workout 2x20mcg bilateral -or 4x10mcg biceps/triceps on arm day, bilateral in delts on shoulder day -and bilateral in traps on traps day/ bilateral in legs on leg day -and so on
5-12 adex 0.25mg eod
5-12 0.25mg caber every 3 days + vit B6

I'm planing to open a new thread for my AAS/Peptide combo so others can learn from it too.

Any suggestions?
 
thebigt said:
HIT4ME said:
Yes, well, far more young people get hurt lifting weights than old people. Actually, the majority of injuries occur around the age of 27. Most lower back injuries occur in adolescents.





I think [MOST] older people have learned they are not indestructible and don't go kamikaze on workouts....

statistics can be interpreted many ways-saying that more young people get injured lifting weights could imply that if doing the exact same routine young people have a better percentage of getting hurt...which any reasonable thinking person would know is false!!!
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Yeah it's crazy.. I actually mentor at risk teens and get them into lifting.. I think it helps them stay off drugs and pay attention to what they put in their bodies (at least it's helped me that way). It's funny how many of them get hurt and don't listen... theyll see me deadlift and try to match weight with horrible form... seems a kid is always getting injured...

When I was younger I was the same way though... the folly of youth I guess
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Studhorse said:
I never got an injury pulling. Tore my bicept dead lifting the weight was pulling on my arms does that count?
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hairygrandpa said:
Deadlift does not count. I guess that's one of the most risky exercises.
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Also very common to tear a bicep when doing DB shrugs. The heavy weight + the natural inclination to try to use the biceps to "help" the weight up during the shrug.
 
thebigt said:
HIT4ME said:
Yes, well, far more young people get hurt lifting weights than old people. Actually, the majority of injuries occur around the age of 27. Most lower back injuries occur in adolescents.





I think [MOST] older people have learned they are not indestructible and don't go kamikaze on workouts....

statistics can be interpreted many ways-saying that more young people get injured lifting weights could imply that if doing the exact same routine young people have a better percentage of getting hurt...which any reasonable thinking person would know is false!!!
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Well, statistics can be interpreted a number of ways - but this is more about allowing "common knowledge" to create limiting beliefs that hold us back and aren't NECESSARILY true. The FACTS are that, when you look at the studies on weight lifting injuries, far more people under the age of 30 get injured. I can think of 3-4 good reasons for this - the most obvious being that probably more young people lift weights, the other being that crushing a finger with a plate is an injury related to weight lifting that probably happens a lot more to unfocused teenagers, another is the fact that younger people are more active to being with (which is why adolescents get more back injuries - playing basketball and lifting weights has a higher injury risk to your lower back than lifting weights).

The point though, is that there is no LOGICAL mechanism for which older people become injured more easily than younger people. Maybe you could make a case that older muscle tissue isnt' as strong as younger tissue ....but this only creates more of a case for lifting heavy to keep that tissue stronger and combat this effect.

The other thing is, a lot of older people have been inactive for YEARS or even DECADES and then start working out and get injured and never go back to the gym. This creates a perception that it was their age. But it ignores the decade of inactivity they were trying to overcome in the first place.

I just want to provide another angle because we all have limiting beliefs. And being "right" or "wrong" isn't what makes a belief useful - moving you toward or away from your goal is what makes a belief useful. And, being older, wiser, and conservative has its merits - but pushing limits within reason is the best way to learn what you are capable of. I'm not suggesting someone who normally deadlifts 250 just go and try to deadlift 400 tonight just because they want to see if they can do it. But maybe going for 260 or even 270 isn't so unheard of, and then you build up from there. Just always be pushing/improving. And Kaprice usually has a different angle, which is what makes these conversations interesting - but he is pushing too...he's just a lot wiser and more conservative than I am.

Brandinooooo said:
Guys at every age get hurt doing c@ck pushups. True story
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Well, again, it's more about form/control than the weight involved.

Tank999 said:
Alot of young guys go for ego weights while us older dudes have hopefully learned by now that a controlled movement with decent weight will git er done!
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Another reason why stats can lie - older people are smarter (and use better form??)

mmorso said:
thebigt said:
Yeah it's crazy.. I actually mentor at risk teens and get them into lifting.. I think it helps them stay off drugs and pay attention to what they put in their bodies (at least it's helped me that way). It's funny how many of them get hurt and don't listen... theyll see me deadlift and try to match weight with horrible form... seems a kid is always getting injured...

When I was younger I was the same way though... the folly of youth I guess
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I think that's awesome. Weight lifting can be such a great analogy for all of life. Sometimes just having something that you can see improvement in will effect everything else in your life. Good on you for helping others.
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HIT4ME said:
thebigt said:
mmorso said:
I think that's awesome. Weight lifting can be such a great analogy for all of life. Sometimes just having something that you can see improvement in will effect everything else in your life. Good on you for helping others.
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One of the greatest lessons that lifting teaches is that immediate gratification is bullsh1t... idk of anything else that requires so much patience to see results and an ability to be disciplined through discouragement, disappointment, injury etc...

Also, toughens you up insofar as your little comfort zone is concerned
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