methusaleh
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Correction on that...the site is now back up, but the hair care products appear to be gone! Anyone...?
Hair Loss Prevention
- Thread starter BigVrunga
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John Smeton
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Bv how do you think the hair comb is working?
btw something new i introduced the hauir comb to this thread and im bout to introduce somethign new Invalid Link Removed
btw something new i introduced the hauir comb to this thread and im bout to introduce somethign new Invalid Link Removed
John Smeton
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Bv or to whom it may concern,
has anyone tryed Polysorbate 80 Shampoo?
if so how did you think it worked?
has anyone tryed Polysorbate 80 Shampoo?
if so how did you think it worked?
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Haven't built it yet!! Been so busy lately - Its nearly done though, Ill put pics up as soon as I can.
Nioxin is supposed to work pretty well, but its more of a 'scalp/hair health' treatment then a product that actually stimulates growth. I believe others have mentioned it in this thread before, and said it made their hair look great. Its cost is prohibitive, however.
John Smeton
Legend
Bv or anyone ,have you tryed the Azelaic acid/ Minoxid combo in one bottle at
wholesalehairproducts.com?\
ive heard minoxidil or aa or some hair products make the hair fall out when a person starts using them,is this true?
I only plan to use this for my superdrol cycle up coming in november; however, if i cycle off the AA/Minoxidil combo, after im done my drol cyccle and done pct, is there any side effects like shedding or would my hair fall out?
wholesalehairproducts.com?\
ive heard minoxidil or aa or some hair products make the hair fall out when a person starts using them,is this true?
I only plan to use this for my superdrol cycle up coming in november; however, if i cycle off the AA/Minoxidil combo, after im done my drol cyccle and done pct, is there any side effects like shedding or would my hair fall out?
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Smeton,
As stated in the posts above, you can't just use minoxidil as a temporary solution...it can make you shed for the first few weeks, and if you discontinue use, you will lose the hair it helped to regrow.
If you want to *prevent* hair loss on a cycle, I would recommend Spiro/Azelaic Acid (only), and Nizoral 3x per week. No minoxdil, unless you plan to continue using it indefinitely.
BV
As stated in the posts above, you can't just use minoxidil as a temporary solution...it can make you shed for the first few weeks, and if you discontinue use, you will lose the hair it helped to regrow.
If you want to *prevent* hair loss on a cycle, I would recommend Spiro/Azelaic Acid (only), and Nizoral 3x per week. No minoxdil, unless you plan to continue using it indefinitely.
BV
PowerHouse555
Member
Washing (shampooing drys out your hair) your hair once every 2-3 days, it keeps its natural oils...even using a shower cap. This method is very cheap.
John Smeton
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I dont know if the board moderators want me to do this ,but if so please correct me.
anyways does anyone know a link where Azelaic acid can be purchased on
anabolicmindsor any site(if mods allow it) because i cannot find it anywhere sold alone?
anyways does anyone know a link where Azelaic acid can be purchased on
anabolicmindsor any site(if mods allow it) because i cannot find it anywhere sold alone?
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Just an update! Since Ive been using:
1mg Finasteride (oral) 1x per day
1ml 15% Xandrox solution mornings
1mg 5% Xandrox Night time solution evenings
Regrowth Treatment Shampoo 3x per week
Homemade Laser Brush 2x/10min per week
Ive seen some serious regrowth on all areas of my head that were thinning. Ive experienced NO sides from the finasteride at all. About a week after I added it to the stack, I noticed that I was losing far less hairs during a 'pull test' on the thinning spots of my scalp.
BV
1mg Finasteride (oral) 1x per day
1ml 15% Xandrox solution mornings
1mg 5% Xandrox Night time solution evenings
Regrowth Treatment Shampoo 3x per week
Homemade Laser Brush 2x/10min per week
Ive seen some serious regrowth on all areas of my head that were thinning. Ive experienced NO sides from the finasteride at all. About a week after I added it to the stack, I noticed that I was losing far less hairs during a 'pull test' on the thinning spots of my scalp.
BV
John Smeton
Legend
Got any recent pics BV?
BigVrunga said:
BigVrunga
Well-known member
From what I gleaned off the other sites that's the directions for the 'professional' $700 version. 2-3 times a week for 10-15 minutes a session. You're supposed to move up to 3x per week after a few months.
Building it couldnt have been easier! Ive been wanting to throw together a detailed tutorial for anyone interested, and I will, but Ive just been mad busy lately.
Here's some pics of the construction though!
Basically the steps are:
-drill holes for the laser diodes
-insert laser diodes into holes
-wire all positive leads together
-wire all negative leads together
-connect positive and negative leads to a 3V, 500mA powersupply
If anyone wants to build one, just shoot me a PM if you have any questions on where to get stuff, wiring, etc. Ill get a nice walkthrough up eventually
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BigVrunga
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Here's some I just took...Ive mainly been focusing the LLLT treatments on the front of my head, and that's where Ive seen the biggest improvements. These pics were taken with full overhead lighting, and let me tell you 2 months ago you would have seen *definite* signs of thinning.
Unfortunately, I dont have any 'before' pics from when it was at its worst - but trust me since this 'super stack' of oral, topical, and the laser comb Ive never seen it fill in so quickly. Hopefully it will continue to improve!!!
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travbedaman
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I read this on the Hair loss sucks forums...
These are exciting times for Lexington International. The LaserComb has been receiving great accolades from the press and medical community. The LaserComb has been positively featured on NBC News Dateline, KABC Los Angeles and Fox News New York. Complimentary articles have been published in Good Housekeeping, Chicago Tribune, Cargo magazine and more. The LaserComb is rapidly establishing credibility on all domestic and international markets and the momentum continues to grow.
Lexington has new and exciting news about the LaserComb and we want to share this information with you.
FDA Update
Lexington has concluded a multi center, shame controlled, double blind placebo, clinical study. The study was conducted to the highest standards of clinical protocol and the results were VERY SIGNIFICANT. The data is being compiled and will be submitted to the FDA in late October or early November. We are very pleased with the results as they confirm the efficacy as outlined during previous studies. The FDA application has been a long and arduous process but we are entering the final stages and anticipate our long awaited clearance in early 2006. Many people have asked to see the results of the study. At this time we do not feel it is appropriate to publish these results until the FDA has had a chance to review them. We will publish the data at the appropriate time.
New HairMax Special Edition – HairMax SE
“Imitation is the best form of flattery” and the LaserComb has been receiving its fair share. A handful of copy cat products have been introduced in the past few months. Lexington is taking legal action against those that infringe upon our patents. One of the problems with the copy cat products is that they do not provide adequate laser energy or proper wavelength to be effective. These products are doing the laser hair industry a strong disservice. If a consumer purchases one of these inferior products and it doesn’t work for them (it can’t work for them because of the low power levels), then the consumer dismisses laser hair therapy completely.
In response, Lexington has decided to introduce the HairMax SE. The HairMax SE is 30% smaller than the original LaserComb and requires more time to implement the treatment. We have reduced the number of beams from nine to five making the laser coverage 30% smaller and as a result increasing the application time. We are targeting the HMSE for a retail price of $395 and outline the major differences below;
The Main differences:
HairMaxSE:
Laser beams .... 5
Life span .... 5-7 yrs
Warranty .... 12 months
Guarantee .... 12 weeks
Size .... 30% smaller
Beep feature .... No
Original HairMax:
Laser beams .... 9
Life span .... 10-15 years
Warranty .... 24 months
Guarantee .... 20 weeks
YBeep feature .... Yes
New lower price on original HairMax LaserComb
In addition, we have decided to reduce the resale cost of the existing Hairmax LaserComb from $645 to $545. We anticipate the reduced resale will open the doors of new markets as well as provide a solution to those who could not afford the $645 price.
Well, I`m def intersted in the comb, my question is to those who have made the homemade version - is the strength the same as the HairMax version?
These are exciting times for Lexington International. The LaserComb has been receiving great accolades from the press and medical community. The LaserComb has been positively featured on NBC News Dateline, KABC Los Angeles and Fox News New York. Complimentary articles have been published in Good Housekeeping, Chicago Tribune, Cargo magazine and more. The LaserComb is rapidly establishing credibility on all domestic and international markets and the momentum continues to grow.
Lexington has new and exciting news about the LaserComb and we want to share this information with you.
FDA Update
Lexington has concluded a multi center, shame controlled, double blind placebo, clinical study. The study was conducted to the highest standards of clinical protocol and the results were VERY SIGNIFICANT. The data is being compiled and will be submitted to the FDA in late October or early November. We are very pleased with the results as they confirm the efficacy as outlined during previous studies. The FDA application has been a long and arduous process but we are entering the final stages and anticipate our long awaited clearance in early 2006. Many people have asked to see the results of the study. At this time we do not feel it is appropriate to publish these results until the FDA has had a chance to review them. We will publish the data at the appropriate time.
New HairMax Special Edition – HairMax SE
“Imitation is the best form of flattery” and the LaserComb has been receiving its fair share. A handful of copy cat products have been introduced in the past few months. Lexington is taking legal action against those that infringe upon our patents. One of the problems with the copy cat products is that they do not provide adequate laser energy or proper wavelength to be effective. These products are doing the laser hair industry a strong disservice. If a consumer purchases one of these inferior products and it doesn’t work for them (it can’t work for them because of the low power levels), then the consumer dismisses laser hair therapy completely.
In response, Lexington has decided to introduce the HairMax SE. The HairMax SE is 30% smaller than the original LaserComb and requires more time to implement the treatment. We have reduced the number of beams from nine to five making the laser coverage 30% smaller and as a result increasing the application time. We are targeting the HMSE for a retail price of $395 and outline the major differences below;
The Main differences:
HairMaxSE:
Laser beams .... 5
Life span .... 5-7 yrs
Warranty .... 12 months
Guarantee .... 12 weeks
Size .... 30% smaller
Beep feature .... No
Original HairMax:
Laser beams .... 9
Life span .... 10-15 years
Warranty .... 24 months
Guarantee .... 20 weeks
YBeep feature .... Yes
New lower price on original HairMax LaserComb
In addition, we have decided to reduce the resale cost of the existing Hairmax LaserComb from $645 to $545. We anticipate the reduced resale will open the doors of new markets as well as provide a solution to those who could not afford the $645 price.
Well, I`m def intersted in the comb, my question is to those who have made the homemade version - is the strength the same as the HairMax version?
rrgg
Well-known member
This talk about a magical hair-growing comb always reminds me of this crazy news story about Khartoum:
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"...a man approached him, gave him a comb, and asked him to comb his hair. When he did so, within seconds, he said, he felt a strange sensation and discovered that he had lost his penis."
" ...'No doubt, this comb was a laser-controlled surgical robot that penetrates the skull [and passes] to the lower body and emasculates a man!!' "
Read the whole article.
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"...a man approached him, gave him a comb, and asked him to comb his hair. When he did so, within seconds, he said, he felt a strange sensation and discovered that he had lost his penis."
" ...'No doubt, this comb was a laser-controlled surgical robot that penetrates the skull [and passes] to the lower body and emasculates a man!!' "
Read the whole article.
BigVrunga
Well-known member
That definitely qualifies as the craziest thing Ive heard all week!
IRRC,The Hairmax laser comb uses a single laser ~637nM (or something to that effect), and splits it up with a plastic beam splitter to form 9 separate beams. I think the laser they use is 25mW, which would give you ~2.7mW of energy per beam hitting the scalp.
The comb I built (and most other DIY laser devices) uses 6 independent 650nM , 5mW laser diodes operating at 3v. So, the homemade comb is actually producing *more* energy than the $700 version.
BV
travbedaman
Member
BigVrunga said:
Thanks, good to know.
FlyByU
New member
Update on second blood test after stopping topical spiro
I've been away from this board for some time, but I'm happy to be back and for those interested, I received the results of my second blood test 3 weeks ago. As I posted in this thread last month, my testosterone levels took a nose dive after just 2 applications of Dr Lee's 2% topical spironolactone.
My total testosterone before using his topical spiro was 16.1 and just 2 applications dropped it down to just 5.4. Well, after stopping the topical spiro, I had my blood test done again and my total T is at 15.1.
I'm now awaiting the results of a 3rd blood test, before which I applied topical spiro to my scalp the night before as well as the morning of the blood draw i.e. exactly what I did the first time. If this test drops my T levels below the normal reference range again, I will be 100% positive that Dr Lee's 2% topical spironolactone has serious systemic effects. N.B. I have never taken any hormonally altering drugs or supplements in my life (apart from the topical spiro).
I've been away from this board for some time, but I'm happy to be back and for those interested, I received the results of my second blood test 3 weeks ago. As I posted in this thread last month, my testosterone levels took a nose dive after just 2 applications of Dr Lee's 2% topical spironolactone.
My total testosterone before using his topical spiro was 16.1 and just 2 applications dropped it down to just 5.4. Well, after stopping the topical spiro, I had my blood test done again and my total T is at 15.1.
I'm now awaiting the results of a 3rd blood test, before which I applied topical spiro to my scalp the night before as well as the morning of the blood draw i.e. exactly what I did the first time. If this test drops my T levels below the normal reference range again, I will be 100% positive that Dr Lee's 2% topical spironolactone has serious systemic effects. N.B. I have never taken any hormonally altering drugs or supplements in my life (apart from the topical spiro).
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Awesome info FlyByU, thanks so much for the update. You might want to email those findings to Dr.Lee. He seems like a stand-up guy, hopefully he'll put a warning on his website.
I still think Spiro is an important part of a hairloss prevention arsenal, but it certainly seems like it can have some nasty unwanted sides for some people. Still though, its one of the only topical anti-androgens I know of, next to Fluridil. (as opposed to anti-DHT, like Azelaic Acid and Finasteride). It definitely has its place if you're using an anabolic drug that doesnt convert to DHT through 5AR but still causes hair loss.
You should try the laser brush bro...Ive seen good results so far. Ive also added Finasteride and 15% Minox to my hair-regrowth plan - so take that for what its worth.
BV
I still think Spiro is an important part of a hairloss prevention arsenal, but it certainly seems like it can have some nasty unwanted sides for some people. Still though, its one of the only topical anti-androgens I know of, next to Fluridil. (as opposed to anti-DHT, like Azelaic Acid and Finasteride). It definitely has its place if you're using an anabolic drug that doesnt convert to DHT through 5AR but still causes hair loss.
You should try the laser brush bro...Ive seen good results so far. Ive also added Finasteride and 15% Minox to my hair-regrowth plan - so take that for what its worth.
BV
John Smeton
Legend
does anyone know if Azelaic Acid descreases testostrone? becauses these last few days since i started it (and it could be the superdrol) ive been feeling hormonally different
jcam222
Board Supporter
Will Spirolactone topical aid in preventing hairloss associated with the use of substances such as MENT or Tren? Neither are 5alpha reductase so I do know that finasteride isnt a help. If I understand correctly however topical spiro binds to the androgen receptors rendering them unable to bind with the harsh androgens that cause hairloss. Any help appreciated.
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Youre right about the 4AD but 1test's hairloss activity is due to the actual 1test molecule itself, much like tren. 1T does convert, but not via 5ar. It's the infamous 'unknown pathway'
Spiro, and other topical anti androgens (as opposed to being only DHT blockers) would be your only line of defense AFAIK.
Spiro, and other topical anti androgens (as opposed to being only DHT blockers) would be your only line of defense AFAIK.
FlyByU
New member
BV, I checked out that amazinglasercomb site. Is that where you bought your brush?
I plan on buying one that's already assembled, but I don't know whether I should buy the one with 4 lasers or 6 lasers. Do you think it would make much difference? I'll fork out the $129.95 for the 6 laser model if I have to, but not if it is only marginally better than the $89.95 model with 4 lasers.
Thanks.
I plan on buying one that's already assembled, but I don't know whether I should buy the one with 4 lasers or 6 lasers. Do you think it would make much difference? I'll fork out the $129.95 for the 6 laser model if I have to, but not if it is only marginally better than the $89.95 model with 4 lasers.
Thanks.
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Read up through the first posts on this page bro - I built the 6-laser brush myself. Its super-easy and you complete the whole project for less than $50 and have it done in an hour tops.
If you want to buy it, neither will really work any better than the other, but the more lasers you have striking your scalp, the better coverage you'll have. As long as you're careful with the 4-laser brush to hit all areas that are affected by MPB, you'll be fine.
If you'd like to build your own, PM me if you'd like help with the construction or where to source the parts.
BV
John Smeton
Legend
does anyone know how long the Azelaic acid blocks dht on the scalp, before i have to apply another coating on it?
one guy told me 12 hours , but he wasnt sure if thats correct.
one guy told me 12 hours , but he wasnt sure if thats correct.
John Smeton
Legend
anyone know the half life of azelaic acid?
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Im not sure smeton, I would think the majority of it gets absorbed within the 1st few hours after application, with some-time release effects lasting a total of ~8-10 hours. (Just going from my knowledge of transdermals here). A graph of its effectiveness over time would probably look like a reverse exponential.
Its recommended you apply it 2x per day, each application as close to 12 hours apart as you can make it.
BV
Its recommended you apply it 2x per day, each application as close to 12 hours apart as you can make it.
BV
judge-mental
Board Supporter
ok guys... after reading the whole 13 pages, here's where I stand:
I got MPB in my familiy on my mother's side (grandfather and cousin). should note that my father has good hair at 63.
I always had a very thick mane but in the last 3 years was under a lot of stress, and yeah, used some androgens (not too much).
right now the whole front of my scalp is thinning and you can see the scalp realy good. and its RED. I think I have dermatosis. I went to the doctor and he prescribed Nizoral for it.
now, here are my options:
try to stop the hairloss
try to stop and regrow.
My questions are:
is there any specific treatment to the dermatosis beside the products mentioned or anything I should know about?
Do I understand correctly that if I go for regrowing I would need to countinue minox for life, and if I go just for stopping its just nizoral EOD and maybe adovart?
what is the basic stack you reccomend to stop the loss, (not regrow yet) specifically for hair thinning/dermatosis...
thanks
J
I got MPB in my familiy on my mother's side (grandfather and cousin). should note that my father has good hair at 63.
I always had a very thick mane but in the last 3 years was under a lot of stress, and yeah, used some androgens (not too much).
right now the whole front of my scalp is thinning and you can see the scalp realy good. and its RED. I think I have dermatosis. I went to the doctor and he prescribed Nizoral for it.
now, here are my options:
try to stop the hairloss
try to stop and regrow.
My questions are:
is there any specific treatment to the dermatosis beside the products mentioned or anything I should know about?
Do I understand correctly that if I go for regrowing I would need to countinue minox for life, and if I go just for stopping its just nizoral EOD and maybe adovart?
what is the basic stack you reccomend to stop the loss, (not regrow yet) specifically for hair thinning/dermatosis...
thanks
J
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Bro this is a tough one because you really dont know what's causing the hair loss. Is it genetics or the dermatosis on the scalp? Ive read that scalp inflammation can be a contributor to MPB, and DHT may actually be a factor that influences the inflammation of the hair follicles.
Yes, if you use minoxidil, you have to keep using it. After a few years you can probably drop down to 1x per day maintenence - but minox is a long term treatment.
If you dont want to go that route yet, Id research something to alleviate the dermatosis, and try the Nizoral and possible an oral DHT inhibitor like Finasteride. Azelaic acid might make the irritation on your scalp even worse.
Also, give the laser brush a shot. You can buy them from the link mentioned above, or build a high quality unit yourself for cheap. From everything Ive read, most who have used one are experiencing positive results. LLLT therapy is actually used in the medical industry to expedite healing - so it might even help with the scalp inflammation.
BV
FlyByU
New member
Hey BV, I wasn't able to send you a PM. Can't seem to send PM's to ppl on this site.
Would you mind shooting me an email to [email protected]?
I'd like to know how you go about making that laser brush.
Thanks man.
Would you mind shooting me an email to [email protected]?
I'd like to know how you go about making that laser brush.
Thanks man.
judge-mental
Board Supporter
BigVrunga said:
strong may not be the best
I found this in some article:
obviously some of it is reflected of the head and lost traveling from the diode to the skin. I have no idea how much. there is more information here
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travbedaman
Member
smeton_yea said:
half-life is approximately 12 hours after topical dosing.
DoubleMint
New member
I was reading on Rogaine that it's not for receding hairline. I also read that there could be some shedding at the beginning of the cycle. I actually posted a question regarding that shedding in another thread here. Well, my real question is what do you guys use for receding hairline ??? I got some Dutasteride already, I am thinking about getting some Nizoral 2%. What else would you reccomend ?? Is there any good shampoo that I could use everyday ?? I am thinking about getting this for everday use:
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I used it before and I liked it, but that was when I had a little bit more hair Is there a good 2in1 that I could use ??
Thanks in advance
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I used it before and I liked it, but that was when I had a little bit more hair
Is there a good 2in1 that I could use ??Thanks in advance
travbedaman
Member
DoubleMint said:I was reading on Rogaine that it's not for receding hairline. I also read that there could be some shedding at the beginning of the cycle. I actually posted a question regarding that shedding in another thread here. Well, my real question is what do you guys use for receding hairline ??? I got some Dutasteride already, I am thinking about getting some Nizoral 2%. What else would you reccomend ?? Is there any good shampoo that I could use everyday ?? I am thinking about getting this for everday use:
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I used it before and I liked it, but that was when I had a little bit more hair
Thanks in advance
I really don`t think most shampoos do jack crap...besides Nizoral.
Duta seems to be the most promising thing out there. If you are using Minoxidil and Nizoral you probably have a pretty good combo already could just probably stick with that.
While there are plenty of things out there that could be added...Fluidril, Azeliac acid, Folligen, which could all help - it really depends how devoted you want to be using a buckets full of products..you could try the homemade laser comb too.
Beowulf
Registered User
Rogaine is not cycled. If you use it, you are making a lifetime commitment, or else you'll lose everything you regrew in about a year.DoubleMint said:I was reading on Rogaine that it's not for receding hairline. I also read that there could be some shedding at the beginning of the cycle. I actually posted a question regarding that shedding in another thread here. Well, my real question is what do you guys use for receding hairline ??? I got some Dutasteride already, I am thinking about getting some Nizoral 2%. What else would you reccomend ?? Is there any good shampoo that I could use everyday ?? I am thinking about getting this for everday use:
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I used it before and I liked it, but that was when I had a little bit more hair
Thanks in advance
John Smeton
Legend
Im using Azleaic acid and nizoral 1 % ,. Just doen a superdrol cycle, and doing pct with gasparis novedex xt, which with elevated test can convert to dht, thus speeding up androgenic alpecia.
so far AA seems to be working. i apply it twice daily and try to hit every dose, although sometimes ill miss an application.
so far AA seems to be working. i apply it twice daily and try to hit every dose, although sometimes ill miss an application.
BigVrunga
Well-known member
The best Ketoconazole-based shampoo that Ive seen is Dr.Lee's "Regrowth Treatment Shampoo" - which contains both Ketoconazole and Salacylic acid to aid in scalp penetration.
I agree with travbedaman that Duasteride seems to be the most promising out there as far as an oral-only DHT blocker is concerned. Personally, Im waiting until a little more research has been done on it - especially since finasteride seems to be working very well for me.
Minoxidil will actually help regrow hair in the front of your head if combined with a DHT blocker. The comment that it all depends how devoted you want to be is on point - the more you integrate these products into your routine the better results you'll see.
Right now my regimen is:
Finasteride 1mg/1x day
15% Xandrox in the morning (15% minoxidil + 5% AA solution)
5% Minoxidil/AA Solution at night
Regrowth Treatment Shampoo 3x/week
Homemade laser brush 2x week @ 12 min/session
Seems like a lot, but honestly it might take a totaly of 3 extra minutes out of my day to apply everything correctly. I dont even notice it, really.
What I do notice is that my hair has never looked better, and Im seeing my temples and any thinning spots slowly fill back in.
BV