H.M. Gear's Oxanavar (M4ohn)

Designer Supps said:
I was talking about propecia and methyl-nandrolone not M4OHN. I wasnt taking it because I ran out, otherwise I probably would have.
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whoops missed that... You increased your dose of M4OHN to as high a 50mg right? Did you see any DHT type side effects?
 
I'd like to point out my libido is still way up, since M4-Nandrolone better resembles DECA, wouldn't libido be down?
 
Deoudes59 said:
I'd like to point out my libido is still way up, since M4-Nandrolone better resembles DECA, wouldn't libido be down?
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No, to say for sure would be a lie. People sometimes notice an increase when on fina and deca at the same time.....everyone's just different.. ;)
 
besides they all resemble each other, its those little differences that have the different effects.
 
I think I might have given people an unneccessary scare. Hair is back to normal, at least tonight....
 
Deoudes59 said:
I think I might have given people an unneccessary scare. Hair is back to normal, at least tonight....
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Make up your mind dude!!!:) Seriously though, please keep us up to date with this - it's important that we know what we're dealing with here since there's so little real world feedback on this stuff so far.
 
Heres my opinion, everyone here is crying that HM gears m4ohn is giving dht related sides.... and they are comparing 20mg with 8-10mg..... not a fair comparison imho.... even if one person took 10mg of sledges m4ohn and 10mg of hm gears, one might experience hairloss while one ay not, everyone responds differently.
When you increas the dose, as with any steroid, you increase the sides, so you may be prone to hairloss and not even know it, then once you bump up to 20mgs you start to notice it.
I dont think anyone ever said that m4ohn is free from androgenic sides (except maybe in advertising, but we all know thats almost never 100%true). I think it will have from androgenic sides, not very strong, but all it takes is a little bit for someone prone to mpb, and they start sheddding. I still believe that HM Gear is a reputbale company and that the product is solid. I know this because the people behind it are extremly knowledgable and stand up individuals.

I will put an offer on the table though, if someone wants to donate a bottle of HM gears 40hn toe tested, I will pay for testing.
we will do this the right way though, the bottle will need to be ordered from a neutral retailer such as bb.com, and it must be sent via certified mail, to the lab doing the testing. If the tests come back negatively, I will be reimbursed by HM gear, if they come back positively, We can all shut up about this thread.....
 
psywzrd said:
Make up your mind dude!!!:) Seriously though, please keep us up to date with this - it's important that we know what we're dealing with here since there's so little real world feedback on this stuff so far.
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Yep thats my goal. I'd just like everyone to look out for the same things i am seeing/saw.
Overall though, once more companies put out M4OHN - the price will drop and there wouldn't really be a point to buying Oxanavar. Sledge's deal on the powder basically defeats HM Gear.

NSR - thanks for stepping up and offering to test it, but like I said - most of us will probably buy from Sledge once he does the tabs. So Oxanavar will be dead to us. I'm only using it because the postal service lost my order from 1fast.
 
At the same time, I'm trying to see if Oxanavar is legit by the sides im experiencing. You are correct: the comparision between 6-8mg to 20mg is perhaps the main cause of sides, rather than the product itself.
Thank you NSR again
 
I would order the bottle myself, but it would bring up alot of controversy as people could say that I tampered with the bottle etc..... that is why I will only do it if someone gets the bottle directly from bb.com sent to the lab....
I see everyones point taht people will use sledge, but the way I see it is that hm gear has the tabs now (5mg is a good size too), and sledge dosnt.... Sledges powder is the best deal around, but many people wont go that route because they dont want to homebrew (even though its very easy)..... My suggestion is this, if you want the best deal... go wiht the powder.... if you want tabs now for a very fair price, go with HM Gear or Custom (custom is a board sponsor, so i would support him, and also a very good guy), but the only thing I dont liek is when people come on and start crying that a product is foul. Now the truth is we really dont know, because it wasnt tested, and it should have been, but I truely belive they are very reputable and I believe them when they say it is what it is. I know many will find this hard to believe, because we have been scammed before, but I know that the people behind HM Gear are some of the best in the Entire industry. This is all my opinion.... take it for what it is worth (which may not be much :) )
 
I just got another bottle of Oxanavar in from BB.com - just came to my door, think I'm going to return it. I want to see if BBs (higher powers) Methyl Dien is legit. All the Whey just came too - 3days shipping from PA to FL - excellent.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
I would order the bottle myself, but it would bring up alot of controversy as people could say that I tampered with the bottle etc..... that is why I will only do it if someone gets the bottle directly from bb.com sent to the lab....
I see everyones point taht people will use sledge, but the way I see it is that hm gear has the tabs now (5mg is a good size too), and sledge dosnt.... Sledges powder is the best deal around, but many people wont go that route because they dont want to homebrew (even though its very easy)..... My suggestion is this, if you want the best deal... go wiht the powder.... if you want tabs now for a very fair price, go with HM Gear or Custom (custom is a board sponsor, so i would support him, and also a very good guy), but the only thing I dont liek is when people come on and start crying that a product is foul. Now the truth is we really dont know, because it wasnt tested, and it should have been, but I truely belive they are very reputable and I believe them when they say it is what it is. I know many will find this hard to believe, because we have been scammed before, but I know that the people behind HM Gear are some of the best in the Entire industry. This is all my opinion.... take it for what it is worth (which may not be much :) )
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Bro, why would we think that you would dick people over with the results of the lab assays for HM gears batches??? You got ties to the company or something?? I'm only saying this cuz you brought it up....again, why would we think that holmes??? Everybody here thinks you're a cool cat, so I don't understand...

The only thing that I dislike against HM gear is the dose that they're advertising on the bottles/website. And when confronted about it, they shy away from the issue. What ever happened to proving your points and the safety of your consumers??? IMO, NOONE should be using these high of doses when the people selling them can't back up the safety of going that high on 'em...

But like Deoudes said, its moot anyways, since sledge will be getting the majority of our biz....
 
Damn Bro I Was Told My Bottle Of H.m Gear Oxanavar Was On Backorder Until Further Notice From B.b Com And You Got Yours...if U Send It Back Can U Tell Them To Foward To My Order Lol
 
Jergo said:
Bro, why would we think that you would dick people over with the results of the lab assays for HM gears batches??? You got ties to the company or something?? I'm only saying this cuz you brought it up....again, why would we think that holmes??? Everybody here thinks you're a cool cat, so I don't understand...

The only thing that I dislike against HM gear is the dose that they're advertising on the bottles/website. And when confronted about it, they shy away from the issue. What ever happened to proving your points and the safety of your consumers??? IMO, NOONE should be using these high of doses when the people selling them can't back up the safety of going that high on 'em...

But like Deoudes said, its moot anyways, since sledge will be getting the majority of our biz....
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I agree, no one sensible would think you were messing with the product. I guess if an HM Gear rep was on here he'd track you every step of the way. Hey maybe we could test Legal Gear's M4OHN. I bet you'd be blacklisted for that.
 
I just dont want to risk people thinking that i would do anything to tamper with the results. I do not have ties to the company, and honestly I dont even use their products, like I said there are cheaper alternatives. I just didnt want to ruin my reputation as trying to be as neutral as I can by someone saying that I may have screwed with the tests or something.
My whole point being that I think HM gear is reputable and I think we should wait until we see some tests before we go and start talking about their m4ohn not being real..etc....

I would like to see a COA for legal gears m4ohn..... They have not shown one to date, so I am still skeptical, and I personally dont like their business practices anyway so it just makes me want to see it more.....
I might have to get a bottle of theirs tested...
 
Legal Gear says he can back it up (just like the new age glutamine)
His product is 2mg tabs for 90 for $35+
Rip off.
 
If you knew what m4ohn costs from a chem supplier you would say all these brands are rip offs..... Put it this way, if a brand di 90 5mg tabs and sold them for $15 a bottle and sold the whole kilo this way.... they would still make $20,000-$25,000 profit.....
 
yep i can believe that, but legal gear will be asking over 100$ (3 bottles) to run an effective M4OHN cycle.
 
nsruffryder34 said:
If you knew what m4ohn costs from a chem supplier you would say all these brands are rip offs..... Put it this way, if a brand di 90 5mg tabs and sold them for $15 a bottle and sold the whole kilo this way.... they would still make $20,000-$25,000 profit.....
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and laughing at us the whole way to the bank.. :mad:
 
This is from Author L. Rea
(posted at BB)

Hello, to the board and please forgive me for intruding.

I am Author L. Rea. I write a few monthly columns in MD and other mags and the books Chemical Muscle Enhancement, Building The Perfect Beast (and a few others). Not that any of this matters, I simply do my job and believe a few of you may have read my work or been clients at one time or another.

My company was contracted by HM Gear to do the product designs for their current offerings. Part of my requirements in any such agreement (We have almost totally ceased to do product designs any longer due to the fact that few wish to produce the product as we intended "due to cost effectiveness") has become that we oversee every step until the product is shipped for distribution. We were paid on a per design basis, as always, so I could personally care less whether anyone buys their products or not.

Since I have mentioned HM Gear in my books and sometimes an article (along with other very reputable companies such as Avant Labs), I do care a great deal about what is in their products. 16 years of academia and 20 years in the sports industry has made me rather detached from anyone's hype and resentful of those whom opt to give a bad name to those who simply wish to make an honorable living.

First off, the silliness of assuming that a legal company would ever be stupid enough to produce 8,000 bottles of Oxanavar containing methylnandrolone (a controlled substance in all 50 states) to replace legal M 4-OHN (the correct isomer as well) is beyond comprehension. I do realize that there are some companies who do use low quality raws or even alternative compounds to rob consumers of their hard earned cash, but come on: 8,000 state and federal felony counts of manufacturing and sales of a controlled AAS? I do have to admit that the suggestion of such was comical. No disrespect intended of course. I too am a cautious lad.

Thank you for bearing with me while I babbled.

We were contacted by HM Gear asking if we could re-aquire the Certificate of Analysis for the raws received by the compounding pharmacy that did the production for Oxanavar. (Yes, it is law that the any DEA/FDA registered pharma facility validate both label claims and raw validity prior to, and post of, production. Otherwise prescription drugs could be faked and black market vendors could finally have an easy approach to quality production)

So we did one better: I had one of my secretaries order a couple of bottles of Oxanavar. When it arrives she will have it sent to San Rafael Chemical Services and print the results in my next MD article (Should be in the Aug issue since we run 2 months ahead). I recall the pre and post production results as being better than 98%. But why not reconfirm what I already know as fact again? And HM has agreed to post the results on their site as well once they come in.

As to dosages...If relative activity were absolute real world then Halotestin at 10mg/d would result in every user being ripped at 250lbs plus. In truth I have used this compound (M 4-OHN) with many clients for many years as a replacement for Oxandrolone and found the rate of anabolism to be about equal milligram for milligram (which certainly is no joke). The elevation on liver ALT and AST has thus far been no more than that of Oxandrolone and HPTA inhibition is less in comparison at dosages as high as 50mg/d (Though that is not a reasonable dosage to say the least)

The concerns for estrogenic or DHT side effects is less than that of Oxadrolone and BPH appears unaffected. The latter is believed likely only as a result of improved PSA scores realized by most users I have monitored.

Again, please forgive me for the intrusion. But I felt that since a few of my clients had e-mailed me this page I was compelled to offer what I had.

Best wishes and thank you for your time;
ALR
 
For it to be produced in a U.S. pharma lab , the assay had to be done within the US, foreign assays from the chem producer will not fly with the FDA, or DEA for that matter.
We will know shortly when the results of HM gears m4ohn are reported for the lab.....
 
I actually send the notice to the FDA of the CoA (this has been required since march).

Just remember when you see the prices for these bottle, you also have to try and price it so if there are wholesalers they make money as well. If you sold it for $15 per bottle you would need to sell it straight to the public, like some of these M1T brands. Some distributors want to make more off a product then me!
 
ALR's response is intelligent and fair. i'll give HM gear the benefit of the doubt until lab results are produced. But, i'm still a little confused on his recs with dosing M4OHN? what is ALR's dosing rec?
 
I wrote about the dosing of m4ohn in another thread.... I think the reccomended is again, too low..... Despite what vida says, I have found m4ohn to only be about 1-3x as anabolic as anavar, this si why the doses should be more like 1/2 of a good anavar dose (which is worthless at anything less than 50mg), and it does have a good amount of androgenic sides.....

.... also I was jsut pointing out the $15 price as being a price that if someone was selling direct such as custom, sledge etc....
 
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