H-drol + Propadrol Stack advice

[ninjarider45]

Hey guys my names Chris I've been reading the forums for quite some time now finally set up an account last month and am now ready to start a cycle after researching and preparing for so dam long. (Not to mention I'm finally 21 ) I've done my best already to succeed with diets/training but to no avail.

For background info I've been weightlifting since I was a sophomore in high school back in 2004. I currently am 6' 4" and weigh 175 although that fluctuates up and down every few days. I have an extreme ectomorphic body type to say the least. Very hard for me to gain weight even with religiously strict diet/training etc. I've managed to put on at least 30 pounds of weight in the last 2 maybe 3 years but can't seem to get past 180 no matter what. My absolute main goal here is to BULK! And I've been putting it off but I'll get my BF % up here the same day i get my pre-cycle blood work done.

The cycle I'm planning on running is as follows:

A.I. Cycle Support - starting 1 week before and going through end 1 scoop per day.
EST Propadrol - 30/30/60/60/90
CEL H-Drol - 25/25/50/50/75
A.I. Post Cycle Support - starting in 4th week 4 scoops per day going for 4 weeks.

The one thing I am looking for advice on is what can I add to supplement the PCT? I've been trying to find a good anti-cortisol plus an anti-manboob supplement haha, but havn't found anything that looks great. I'd like to find these and order them before I start my cycle just for safety's sake. ALSO any advice on the cycle itself is greatly appreciated!
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[mindgamerst]

Welcome to the board man. Anyways, as a starting cycle with PH's it's always good to avoid stacks to see how your body responds to the gear. And although the Prop doesnt aromatize or convert to DHT, its always a good idea to play it safe your first time around. With that in mind, since your 6'4" and only 175 you may want to stick to Hdrol itself, but increase the dosage. 25mg is useless, especially at your height. I know your looking for a pure bulk, but if done right you could gain 8-12lbs on Hdrol alone (I have one week left of my cycle and Im up around 9lbs). I would run the Hdrol at 50/50(75)/75/75/75(100). Judging by how you feel in the 2nd week you may be able to bump it to 75mg, and 100mg in the 5th week... although some have reported that this doesnt increase the growth rate (Hdrol takes about 3.5 weeks to kick in).

The supps look good, just get your diet in check. A good all around PCT is iForce Reversitol, and maybe a natty test booster such as tribulus fuel or something. It's also a good idea to have a real SERM (e.g., Nolva/Clomid) on hand to avoid "man boobage" lol.

It's also extremely important that you do ALL compound movements to increase overall bulk; stimulating your nervous system by doing grouped movements. --> squat, deadlift, military press, bench.

I'm sure youll get more advice, but feel free to ask.

Good luck

 

[rammy222]

6'4 177lb... hold off the cycle.. EAT

 

[ninjarider45]

Thanks for the advice mindgamer. Yeah i've been trying to find out more and more about nolva and clomid because all i've ever been able to find out on those seems to be a lot of contradicting opinions and facts. As far as my workout goes I already started getting into the routine i'd be doing on cycle minus 1 day. I've been doing all you suggested except the military press which sounds like a good idea since i dont do many shoulder exercises.

6'4 177lb... hold off the cycle.. EAT

LOL rammy believe me i've tried. The heaviest diet i did was a 4000-4200/day calorie diet for 3 months but if i remember right i ended up at about 182 or 183? That was a half year ago since then I've been running a steady 3000-3500 diet depending on if i think i look fat haha. My family/friends sware i have a hollow leg or something... I've always wondered if maybe eating more shitty food (mcdonalds, fastfood, etc..) would get me better results but I would hate to end up looking good on the outside and feeling like **** on the inside. Always been pretty clean food for me. Although i definitely have slowly gained more strength i don't seem to add any weight. Doctor thinks i may have hypothyroidism so i'm getting bloodwork done this weekend for that... If i do i hope it wont interfere with doing a cycle...

 

[UnrealMachine]

well there's your problem right there, 3000-3500 isn't enough calories for someone who's 6'4 with an extreme ectomorphic bodytype.

In your first post you said you can't get over 180 "no matter what" and in your last post you say you were eating over 4K calories last year and broke 180. So dude, why the **** would you eat 3K calories and take steroids to gain weight, when eating 4K calories obviously works to gain weight? In fact you should start taking in 4.5+K calories and start working towards 200... You don't need steroids, you need food. You've explained this much to us in your last post. You've answered your own question. FOOD.

 

[ninjarider45]

hmmm you really think so? i ar.lready ordered everything but i should probably look into my diet more i suppose. shittttttt haha i thought i was busy enough trying to fit all that food into my schedule last time, this will be tits.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Yeah well I hope you like food. Or weed. Anyway you should experiment with cals up to 4500 or so and see how much higher you can get that weight, at 6'4 I'm sure you can get up past 200 if you just give it time. When the progress flatlines is the best time to run a cycle.

If you eat 3000-3500 cals now at 175 and can't gain weight, then if you hypothetically cycle to 185 and then come off cycle and you're eating 3000-3500 calories again, that weight's going to want to come right back off. You need to increase calories at some point to increase your weight. So might as well increase them now.