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Gyno from Dermacrine/Alpha Mass HELP!

Gstyle24 said:
Why not on the stomach?
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JONimal said:
delsolrob also want to know why not in the stomach...?
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not all application sites are created equal. Different locations on the skin have different concentration of enzymes...the stomach is known to cause a greater conversion to estrogen, while the scrotum is known to offer a greater conversion to DHT.

I don't have studies on this, but this topic was very popular when Primordial was around...here and on their forum.
 
Cjg said:
So the epiandro raises test or suppress?
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are you asking if it's suppressive?

epiandrosterone is a ph and can lead to suppression...DHEA also causes suppression, and epiandrosterone is a metabolite of DHEA.
 
delsolrob said:
not all application sites are created equal. Different locations on the skin have different concentration of enzymes...the stomach is known to cause a greater conversion to estrogen, while the scrotum is known to offer a greater conversion to DHT.

I don't have studies on this, but this topic was very popular when Primordial was around...here and on their forum.
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i can only rub so much on them lol... so maybe utilizing the area around the goods. inner thigh and legs would be better than stomach?
 
there are quite a few threads out there about ideal application sites for dermacrine/transdermals...
 
There are some studies that raloxifene is better than tamoxifen for reversal of gyno. Some are based on breast cancer in women, some on persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910

I used the following protocol for my gyno flare up on Deca and then a Tren cycle. Worked great for me with no discernible sides.


120mg raloxifene (60mg morning and night)
Pick your AI (I used low dose letro)
Do this 3wks

60mg raloxifene
Pick your AI (I used low dose letro)
Do this 2weeks

Taper down on your AI if you are off cycle.

Seemed to work much faster then tamoxifen for me.

Just another option in the war on gyno.
 
I do not understand why people use this. In addition to raising estrogen, it is itself estrogenic (activates the estrogen receptor).

So if you are going to have to use an AI and a SERM along with it, why not just use an androgen....
 
BertBolic said:
I do not understand why people use this. In addition to raising estrogen, it is itself estrogenic (activates the estrogen receptor).

So if you are going to have to use an AI and a SERM along with it, why not just use an androgen....
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The only reason I can see using it is to add some estrogen to a dry cycle to avoid sides. Plus some of the adrenal hormones make you feel good.
 
**** bros. At the one week mark i started tapering down to 20-30mg of Nolva ED. My gyno is starting to come back now. I shouldn't have tapered already because my gyno had only been down for a few days. STUPID MISTAKE. I have gone up to 40mg again today so am hoping this will start working again. I'm also out of Nolva but I'm wondering if I should switch to raloxifen for awhile instead? How do I bridge from Nolva to Raloxifen if so ? Should I overlap the ralox with my last bit of Nolva? Or should I just buy and stay on the Nolva? Concerned about long term Nolva usage due to it being a carcogenic
 
40mg is WAY MORE than necessary to combat gyno. I would have suggested like 5-10mg.

beyond that, the halflife of nolva is nearly a week...tapering shouldn't matter because you should have a bit accumulated in your system.

are you taking anything for potential prolactin induced sides?

blood work would be beneficial..
 
No I havent i might start dosing some B6 to see if it helps. I have some letro im considering running at a very low dose like <0.25mg ED maybe ? EOD? Also how is 40mg way more than needed for gyno? This is what's always recommended it seems and nearly every day id start with 20mg but my nipples get itchy again so I'd dose another 20mg and a few hours later the itching would stop. Definitely not placebo either. 5-10mg seems worthless especially since research chemicals are often underdosed. I'm definitely no expert and still new to all this but this is just my experience thus far
 
the majority of studies on gyno using nolva are conducted with 10-20mg ED...sometimes as low as 5mg

I had a flare up years ago while ON and a few days at 10mg was all it took to get it under control.
 
Don't understand why the Nolva would stop working? Looking into getting blood work but have no insurance. Only thing I can think of is prolactin.
 
Update for anyone in a similar situation. I recently finished my bottle of Nolva and still have gyno. The Nolva basically suppressed it but didn't get rid of it- some days it was bad some days not as bad. I've now been on Raloxifen at 60mg daily for about a week and it's looking promising. Seems to be much more effective than Nolva and my pecs have felt great the past couple days and also don't look as puffy and inflamed. Time will tell.
 
Anybody still following? I'm still on Ralox and have not had any nipple or pec sensitivity for the past week. My pecs feel better than they have in two months; just ****ing miles better than on Nolva still. Night and day difference. Lump is still the size of a small pea perhaps but all sensitivity, itching, discomfort, swelling, etc is gone. Just hoping it'll continue to improve - fingers crossed but so far the Ralox has been by far the most effective gyno treatment.
 
I used ralox in the past and it completely got rid of my gyno.
 
Just stopped my Dermacrine cause of early symptoms of gyno. Switching to epi Andro as my test base with 1-Andro now. Hopefully symptoms go away.
 
still fighting the gyno. 3 months in!! I've,been using Aromasin and Ralox combined eith not touching my nipples and pecs EVER, and I'd say the lumps have shrunk considerably. hopefully will continue to improve
 
awesome to hear my man, agreed with volvo though, i went back through and re read this thread and it is quite confusing
 
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