Gyno control

RatBooster

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Hi, I would like to know if El1minate (Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione) would help in the case I have nipple sensivity.

Thanks
 
Well, basically "Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione" is arimistane. Anyways, Im planning a mild Epi cycle , it isn't supposed to cause estrogen/prolactin gyno.

How does this look?

Week 1-4: 20mg Brawn Epistane
Week 4-6: 30mg Brawn Epistane
Week 6-9: 75mg Olympus El1minate (Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione) (75mg ED)
 
No matter what AAS, Pro-hormone or SARM cycle you run you should always have a Pharma Grade AI on hand for emergencies.
But back to your original question, Arimistane might help prevent some estro sides but it won't do anything to help cure them.
 
So running El1minate during the Epistane cycle would be fine to avoid any gyno problems? Even though, some people ran Epistane and their gyno got reversed, would be overkill running Epistane and El1minate at the same time?
 
Epistane doesn't reverse gyno. If you run Epistane, like any other PH, you should have a proper (pharma) AI on hand as well as a SERM on deck for your PCT. Now, i'm actually one of the few who feel that a SERM is overkill for many PHs but that's a conversation for a different time. AI's however you should always stock. The Eliminate might actually do decently since your Epistane is dosed terribly low for your cycle. I hope you aren't expecting much.
 
Rhadam said:
Epistane doesn't reverse gyno. If you run Epistane, like any other PH, you should have a proper (pharma) AI on hand as well as a SERM on deck for your PCT. Now, i'm actually one of the few who feel that a SERM is overkill for many PHs but that's a conversation for a different time. AI's however you should always stock. The Eliminate might actually do decently since your Epistane is dosed terribly low for your cycle. I hope you aren't expecting much.
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20mg is a bit low, but for a first or 2nd cycle its not bad. I also wouldnt say its terribly low as I personally think 30-40mg TOPS is perfect. A SERM is 100% needed for Epi. Its a designer steroid. It WILL suppress you.
 
mrgoomba said:
20mg is a bit low, but for a first or 2nd cycle its not bad. I also wouldnt say its terribly low as I personally think 30-40mg TOPS is perfect. A SERM is 100% needed for Epi. Its a designer steroid. It WILL suppress you.
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I can't agree with a single thing you said here. Well, Epistane will suppress but that's the only thing you've said that's factual.
 
Rhadam said:
I can't agree with a single thing you said here. Well, Epistane will suppress but that's the only thing you've said that's factual.
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Stop. You have people who skim through forums and see crap advice saying no need for a serm, and 30mg is not enough. They wont do their own research, read someones log where they did 80mg, not do a SERM, and will F themselves up. Then they finally create an account and start asking how to reverse their rebound gyno or why they cant get hard anymore. YOU might feel that 30mg is not enough, but you have absolutely no clue how someone else body will respond to that dosage. This is the exact reason why unless you are getting bloods done to make a factual decision, then a SERM is needed. A SERM is needed for all prohormones, especially compounds like Epistane which are "designer steroids".
 
mrgoomba said:
Stop. You have people who skim through forums and see crap advice saying no need for a serm, and 30mg is not enough. They wont do their own research, read someones log where they did 80mg, not do a SERM, and will F themselves up. Then they finally create an account and start asking how to reverse their rebound gyno or why they cant get hard anymore. YOU might feel that 30mg is not enough, but you have absolutely no clue how someone else body will respond to that dosage. This is the exact reason why unless you are getting bloods done to make a factual decision, then a SERM is needed. A SERM is needed for all prohormones, especially compounds like Epistane which are "designer steroids".
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You literally have no knowledge of biochemistry or physiology for that matter.

You are regurgitating things you've read on this forum and possibly others. Because you've read something and you commonly see it posted does not mean it is factual. While your basic premise is not without merit, you are incorrect in your assessment of how the body will respond to steroids and how it will/will not recover. I'd suggest you study the hormone system and learn something about physiology before you try to correct someone like me.
 
Rhadam said:
Epistane doesn't reverse gyno. If you run Epistane, like any other PH, you should have a proper (pharma) AI on hand as well as a SERM on deck for your PCT. Now, i'm actually one of the few who feel that a SERM is overkill for many PHs but that's a conversation for a different time. AI's however you should always stock. The Eliminate might actually do decently since your Epistane is dosed terribly low for your cycle. I hope you aren't expecting much.
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30mg is a good dosage for a beginner, and I can see what you mean by serms being overkill for ph/ds as they aren't ran as long, creating less supression. Definitely agree that op needs a real aromatize inhibitor on hand. Personally, arimistane did nothing for me.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
30mg is a good dosage for a beginner, and I can see what you mean by serms being overkill for ph/ds as they aren't ran as long, creating less supression. Definitely agree that op needs a real aromatize inhibitor on hand. Personally, arimistane did nothing for me.
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And we know he's a beginner how...?
 
Things I like to have nearby regardless what steroid I'm running. All have a purpose and I have needed each at one time or another:

Letrozole (or AI of choice)
Nolvadex (specifically for hard to control on-cycle gyno)
Clomid/Nolvadex/Toremifene (whichever you prefer for post cycle)
Caber or Prami (I prefer Caber)
Inhibit-P (1. When caber is too strong. EX: M-LMG... 2. For last 2 weeks of post cycle and 2 weeks after cessation of pct - this is a personal preference)
Cycle Support of some kind or hodgepodge of natural supps:

Tudca/NAC/Milk Thistle
Saw Palmetto
Omegas lots and lots
Hawthorne/Arginine/potassium nitrate/CoQ10 etc etc.....

Is all this necessary? Nope.
You absolutely can run any cycle without ANY of this. But to me, its reckless, unpleasant, can be damaging long-term, difficult to recover from quickly, and generally make it quite hard to maintain a large percentage of muscle acquired on cycle.
 
Matthersby said:
Things I like to have nearby regardless what steroid I'm running. All have a purpose and I have needed each at one time or another:

Letrozole (or AI of choice)
Nolvadex (specifically for hard to control on-cycle gyno)
Clomid/Nolvadex/Toremifene (whichever you prefer for post cycle)
Caber or Prami (I prefer Caber)
Inhibit-P (1. When caber is too strong. EX: M-LMG... 2. For last 2 weeks of post cycle and 2 weeks after cessation of pct - this is a personal preference)
Cycle Support of some kind or hodgepodge of natural supps:

Tudca/NAC/Milk Thistle
Saw Palmetto
Omegas lots and lots
Hawthorne/Arginine/potassium nitrate/CoQ10 etc etc.....

Is all this necessary? Nope.
You absolutely can run any cycle without ANY of this. But to me, its reckless, unpleasant, can be damaging long-term, difficult to recover from quickly, and generally make it quite hard to maintain a large percentage of muscle acquired on cycle.
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Perfectly said
 
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