Gyno and PCT

[BigBicepBill]

I'm currently feeling like a breast tissue build up under my nips and was wondering what i should do? should i buy letro or should i run something like ERASE into my current PCT of my current cycle? P.S. This "build up" of gyno wasn't from this current cycle. Thanks

 

[bigdavid]

Does it hurt? If it was gyno from a previous cycle or puberty it might get swollen during pct but that doesn't mean it is growing necessarily. Erase or another AI would do the trick if it is worrying you.

 

[BigBicepBill]

honestly david i think its more along the line of puberty. I've taken halo test 25, methadrol, primabol, and right now a trenadrol/epi stack. but i have a slight bit of puffy nips (puberty i think) but the cycles did make it hurt a little...especially if people would give me titty twisters :sadwavey: but would something like letro do the trick? I'm hoping the nolva on my current cycle would help but I've heard forma stanzanol or ERASE might help

 

[bigdavid]

honestly david i think its more along the line of puberty. I've taken halo test 25, methadrol, primabol, and right now a trenadrol/epi stack. but i have a slight bit of puffy nips (puberty i think) but the cycles did make it hurt a little...especially if people would give me titty twisters :sadwavey: but would something like letro do the trick? I'm hoping the nolva on my current cycle would help but I've heard forma stanzanol or ERASE might help

any of the AIs you listed would do the trick but I wouldnt go too high on the doses and I know letro can be pretty strong. I have used erase for this purpose and it works well, but any AI is fine. You could start the AI now and run it through the rest of the cycle and a little after pct, increasing the dose as you move into pct and past the serm.

 

[BigBicepBill]

how many bottles of erase would i need to run it when i get it in the mail and past PCT? and what are the correct amount of mg for ERASE?

 

[mattrag]

how many bottles of erase would i need to run it when i get it in the mail and past PCT? and what are the correct amount of mg for ERASE?

If you get normal erase pct dosage looks something like
0/0/3/2/2/1 in pct.
I tend to do serm/AI for 8 weeks though
0/0/3/3/3/2/2/1/1 (which still is just under 2 bottles).

 

[BigBicepBill]

If you get normal erase pct dosage looks something like
0/0/3/2/2/1 in pct.
I tend to do serm/AI for 8 weeks though
0/0/3/3/3/2/2/1/1 (which still is just under 2 bottles).

mattrag, is there a difference between DAA, forma stanzol, and ERASE

 

[mattrag]

mattrag, is there a difference between DAA, forma stanzol, and ERASE

Yes... Very big differences.

DAA is a natural test booster. It increases the amount of test your body produces from the leydig cells. Increasing LH and FSH.

Forma stanzol is a topical AI that has been shown to raise IGF 1 and increase test production.


Erase is an AI with minor tendencies to decrease cortisol.


I've taken all 3 at once before. Tapering/ staggering them.

 

[bigdavid]

If you want to use it on cycle into pct to prevent the gyno issue you can do 1 or 2 caps on cycle and then do 2 or 3 caps during pct, tapering like mattrag showed if you want. But deff extend the erase past the serm by a week or two. DAA for me flared up my nipple area (I have some issues from puberty as well), so if you have never used DAA solo I would hold off on that.

 

[BigBicepBill]

Yes... Very big differences.

DAA is a natural test booster. It increases the amount of test your body produces from the leydig cells. Increasing LH and FSH.

Forma stanzol is a topical AI that has been shown to raise IGF 1 and increase test production.


Erase is an AI with minor tendencies to decrease cortisol.


I've taken all 3 at once before. Tapering/ staggering them.

ok thanks for the clear up, and also, is it necessary to run transaderm on cycle?

 

[BigBicepBill]

If you want to use it on cycle into pct to prevent the gyno issue you can do 1 or 2 caps on cycle and then do 2 or 3 caps during pct, tapering like mattrag showed if you want. But deff extend the erase past the serm by a week or two. DAA for me flared up my nipple area (I have some issues from puberty as well), so if you have never used DAA solo I would hold off on that.

ok david thanks, so the two of you would rather use erase than forma?

 

[mattrag]

ok thanks for the clear up, and also, is it necessary to run transaderm on cycle?

It will help with lethargy by supplying more raw hormones to make thjngs like thyroid hormone and test but it's not a must have. I have done at least three cycles with no Transaderm. It makes it easier though.

And like bigsavid said.... Watch for the DAA if you have gyno issues. I don't take unless I'm also taking a strong AI.

 

[bigdavid]

ok david thanks, so the two of you would rather use erase than forma?

I have no personal experience with forma I have only used erase. I cannot comment on dosing for that one but I am sure that would work too if you wanted to even use forma on cycle and erase in pct, for example.

 

[BigBicepBill]

It will help with lethargy by supplying more raw hormones to make thjngs like thyroid hormone and test but it's not a must have. I have done at least three cycles with no Transaderm. It makes it easier though.

And like bigsavid said.... Watch for the DAA if you have gyno issues. I don't take unless I'm also taking a strong AI.

okay thanks guys, theres just so much bull**** on taking cycles anymore. people have so many mixed reviews. like some people say YOU must run transaderm and MUST RUN DAA. in your guys honest opinion, is it necessary to even run a test base during PCT

 

[bigdavid]

okay thanks guys, theres just so much bull**** on taking cycles anymore. people have so many mixed reviews. like some people say YOU must run transaderm and MUST RUN DAA. in your guys honest opinion, is it necessary to even run a test base during PCT

Im assuming you meant on cycle and not in pct since you dont run exogenous hormones in pct. I have never used a test base, you dont really NEED one but it might help with lethargy. From what Ive heard you need a higher dose then what they recommend to even get any test out of the two conversion steps that these OTC test bases need. IMO its not worth the money. And no you DO NOT need DAA. I had heard that too so I ran it even though it didnt react well with me. I am on my first pct without using DAA and I feel great on day 6 so far.

 

[mattrag]

okay thanks guys, theres just so much bull**** on taking cycles anymore. people have so many mixed reviews. like some people say YOU must run transaderm and MUST RUN DAA. in your guys honest opinion, is it necessary to even run a test base during PCT

Holy moly... Don't run a test base during pct... You want to get your test levels BACK. All hormonals stop in pct. unless its either an AI or a serm. Who ever said else wise is either talking about running LONG cycle and cruising or just didn't read right.

Tbh on a cycle I would only run the hormonal, maybe your staples, the. In pct run serm, have an AI on hand, and a good test booster. I'm leaning towards anabeta elite right now. They use a quality extract of forskolin and that is one of the few products with actual data on its effectiveness. Anything else is not necessary. Cause if you run it you might not even know if it's doing anything. Those are the basics. It's all you really NEED. The other recommended huge list of supps is just a recommendation.

 

[mattrag]

Im assuming you meant on cycle and not in pct since you dont run exogenous hormones in pct. I have never used a test base, you dont really NEED one but it might help with lethargy. From what Ive heard you need a higher dose then what they recommend to even get any test out of the two conversion steps that these OTC test bases need. IMO its not worth the money. And no you DO NOT need DAA. I had heard that too so I ran it even though it didnt react well with me. I am on my first pct without using DAA and I feel great on day 6 so far.

Glad you noticed it. I think some people's hormonal balance is more tightly regulated than others. And DAA can really mess up a few ppl.

 

[BigBicepBill]

Im assuming you meant on cycle and not in pct since you dont run exogenous hormones in pct. I have never used a test base, you dont really NEED one but it might help with lethargy. From what Ive heard you need a higher dose then what they recommend to even get any test out of the two conversion steps that these OTC test bases need. IMO its not worth the money. And no you DO NOT need DAA. I had heard that too so I ran it even though it didnt react well with me. I am on my first pct without using DAA and I feel great on day 6 so far.

dave you and matt have been a great deal of help. ill take your guys advice and run the erase during PCT along with my nolva and PCT and maybe run the forma on cycle.

 

[bigdavid]

Glad you noticed it. I think some people's hormonal balance is more tightly regulated than others. And DAA can really mess up a few ppl.

Im also in love with torem. 17 again. lol.

 

[bigdavid]

dave you and matt have been a great deal of help. ill take your guys advice and run the erase during PCT along with my nolva and PCT and maybe run the forma on cycle.

Glad to help. Strength gains were amazing on hdrol during the last few weeks enjoy!

EDIT: JK wrong thread LOL. No hdrol for u.. Still glad to help tho

 

[mattrag]

Im also in love with torem. 17 again. lol.

Really? Hmm... I do like torem. Unfortunately I'll be using a 19-nor for my next run and should use clomid as pct... Clomid is a serm I don't especially enjoy....

 

[bigdavid]

Holy moly... Don't run a test base during pct... You want to get your test levels BACK. All hormonals stop in pct. unless its either an AI or a serm. Who ever said else wise is either talking about running LONG cycle and cruising or just didn't read right.

Tbh on a cycle I would only run the hormonal, maybe your staples, the. In pct run serm, have an AI on hand, and a good test booster. I'm leaning towards anabeta elite right now. They use a quality extract of forskolin and that is one of the few products with actual data on its effectiveness. Anything else is not necessary. Cause if you run it you might not even know if it's doing anything. Those are the basics. It's all you really NEED. The other recommended huge list of supps is just a recommendation.

From what I have experienced so far if I had to make a list of the products I will now use in all PCTs it would be the following:

1. serm
2. AI ran past the serm (erase)
3. natty test booster ran with and past the serm since hormones can go back down when you stop the serm sometimes (I like activate xtreme)
4. Agent to control cortisol (lean xtreme, abliderate, etc)
5. Nonsuppressive "natty" anabolic (anabeta, trying osta rx right now)

 

[mattrag]

From what I have experienced so far if I had to make a list of the products I will now use in all PCTs it would be the following:

1. serm
2. AI ran past the serm (erase)
3. natty test booster ran with and past the serm since hormones can go back down when you stop the serm sometimes (I like activate xtreme)
4. Agent to control cortisol (lean xtreme, abliderate, etc)
5. Nonsuppressive "natty" anabolic (anabeta, trying osta rx right now)

I think erase and anabeta elite would knock off 3 of those numbers. Hell might even be enough fas a natty t booster.
Then all ya need is the serm.

 

[BigBicepBill]

I think erase and anabeta elite would knock off 3 of those numbers. Hell might even be enough fas a natty t booster.
Then all ya need is the serm.

would it be smart to buy two bottles of AE and ERASE each or would just one bottle of each be enough?

 

[mattrag]

would it be smart to buy two bottles of AE and ERASE each or would just one bottle of each be enough?

It would depend on the sale tomorrow on the insider lol.

J/k. I think one anabeta elite and two erase to be safe is all you need. One of each is probably enough though. I tend to like having an AI on hand all the time as my recent run in with gyno symptoms coming off my 6 week super drol run was scary.

 

[BigBicepBill]

It would depend on the sale tomorrow on the insider lol.

J/k. I think one anabeta elite and two erase to be safe is all you need. One of each is probably enough though. I tend to like having an AI on hand all the time as my recent run in with gyno symptoms coming off my 6 week super drol run was scary.

i can imagine...im currently on day 2 of my trenadrol/epi stack. what is the recommended dosing for the AE during PCT?

 

[mattrag]

i can imagine...im currently on day 2 of my trenadrol/epi stack. what is the recommended dosing for the AE during PCT?

4ED. Just like on any other time.

One bottle will last 30 days.

 

[BigBicepBill]

4ED. Just like on any other time.

One bottle will last 30 days.

thanks a lot mattrag!!!