GREETINGS TO ALRI PEOPLE!!!
- Thread starter BKneller
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Loki
Supplement Jester
Bruce, where are you getting the notion that C4,-OH 5alpha reduced androgens are going to have activity? There's no data backing those kind of derivatives anywhere--and it's not really appropriate to liken them to OHN or even methyl-hydroxy-nandrolone. I'm just curious where these are even coming from.
I would expect your 4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one to be quite good however.
I would expect your 4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one to be quite good however.
dbish77
Banned
Not typed by me...oswizzle said:
4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)
MAY BE QUITE EFFECTIVE. SOLUBILITY LIKELY VERY POOR THOUGH
17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)
MAY BE EFFECTIVE, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE PREVIOUS
17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one (I will call this a 'Hydrogen Bomb' instead of an "A-Bomb")
STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS.
4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")
STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS.
4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)
STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS. 9 TIMES OUT OF 10, NOVEL CHEMICAL ALTERATIONS TO ANDROGENS RESULT IN GARBAGE
and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?
4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)
POSSIBLY MAY HAVE SOME ACTIVITY. AN UNKNOWN, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE 5-ALPHA REDUCED DERIVATIVES
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FIRST TWO HAVE PROMISE. HE SHOULD TELL THE CHEMIST TO NOT WASTE TIME ON THE REST. THEY ARE NOT WORTH PURSUING IMO
Outside Backer
Well-known member
tren and var that is what i want
**** primo too
**** primo too
Author L. Rea
Board Sponsor
Well, always good to hear opinions from the lab. Not to fault anyones research ability, but truth is NEW ideas do not come from old research. "Creating" something is so much more interesting and this requires a bit of knowledge and experience many either lack or opt to ignore. Reading other peoples work and producing a product based upon it gets old after awhile, and it certainly does not challenge as much as creation. But there have been many great products brought to market in this way as well nonetheless. It all starts with a theory based upon research and real world experience.dbish77 said:
As usual, research will eventually catch up with innovation and experience.
Then it knocks it off. lol
Iron Warrior
Registered User
Hey Author or Bruce, would the tren analogue or other non-methyls work better as transdermals ? Thanks
BKneller
Banned
Do you want to tell them about the 4-hydroxy-trenbolone as a C17b THP ether we're working on as an oral or should I my friend?
*giggle*
BD sold tren acetate tabs (25mg) and they worked pretty well. I bet a 4-OH tren THP ether 25mg tab will work really nice as well.
The good news is we'll know soon enough
BK
*giggle*
BD sold tren acetate tabs (25mg) and they worked pretty well. I bet a 4-OH tren THP ether 25mg tab will work really nice as well.
The good news is we'll know soon enough
BK
Author L. Rea said:
size
Well-known member
I never read much feedback on the BD's "parabolan" tablets.BKneller said:BD sold tren acetate tabs (25mg) and they worked pretty well. I bet a 4-OH tren THP ether 25mg tab will work really nice as well.
The good news is we'll know soon enough
BK
This should be interesting.
bigpetefox
Board Sponsor
Hows aboot a Turinabol-alike?
sdf42450
New member
any chance this stuff will be offered as raw powders for those of us who like to make oils?BKneller said:Do you want to tell them about the 4-hydroxy-trenbolone as a C17b THP ether we're working on as an oral or should I my friend?
*giggle*
BD sold tren acetate tabs (25mg) and they worked pretty well. I bet a 4-OH tren THP ether 25mg tab will work really nice as well.
The good news is we'll know soon enough
BK
BKneller
Banned
No but it won't matter...you could, theoretically, just open up the caps and dump it into BA and then filter out the crap and
end up with the steroid in BA + maybe some methylcellulose (is it even soluable in BA?) which could then be put into
an "oily vehicle of choice" and filter sterilized and stored for hypothetical, parenteral usage.
I am not suggesting anyone do this and my official stance would be to dissuade anyone from altering the product in this manner
because it might not be safe to do. But in theory....
BK
end up with the steroid in BA + maybe some methylcellulose (is it even soluable in BA?) which could then be put into
an "oily vehicle of choice" and filter sterilized and stored for hypothetical, parenteral usage.
I am not suggesting anyone do this and my official stance would be to dissuade anyone from altering the product in this manner
because it might not be safe to do. But in theory....
BK
sdf42450 said:
wastedwhiteboy2
Board Supporter
I'm not familiar with all of the substances so I'll have to go with the tren and dbol.
bigpetefox
Board Sponsor
But with the new innovations, I'm willing to bet they (BK and ALR) can come up with a better version..sly said:
BKneller
Banned
Call them up (get the number at the website) and talk to "one of the Mike's". Tell them Bruce told you to call and you want to exchange a bottle (unopened) of Pro-Turinabol for Novedex XT. Pro-T is not illegal now so they will have no issues doing this.
Have "one of the Mike's" arrange this. If they have any questions - tell them to e-mail Bruce about it.
Cool?
BK
Have "one of the Mike's" arrange this. If they have any questions - tell them to e-mail Bruce about it.
Cool?
BK
sly said:
RJohnson
New member
snakebyte05
Board Supporter
Why not wait until some test results come back and see if it is the same. You are jumping the gun which is not a good idea.
Ghosting
Guest
Why isnt ALRI stepping in to confirm or deny these rumors? You must admit we are seeing a huge difference in results between the old and the new. Wont someone place our minds at ease if this is a load? Before everyone was raving about Ergomax and now there are an abundance of complaints. The silence is just raising the suspision level, not helping us to be quite about it. No matter what the reasoning is. Even if its an I told you so.
not_big_enuf
Registered User
ALRs posted about this at least a few times. EMax is the same thing... some have the L-Norvaline and some is the same as the original. Most is the same.
This gyno crap is from people using the OLD, original stuff because the new stuff wasn't out when they were posting those results.
Where are all these people with poor results? I looke at the couple threads with results and there are a couple people, but there are also people that are blown away with added libido, etc. None of these people are even TWO WEEKS into their cycle yet. You can't judge a compound by 8 or 9 days. I know people that ran ergo and didn't much for a 10 days and then added a ton of strength and size for the next 2-3 weeks.
This gyno crap is from people using the OLD, original stuff because the new stuff wasn't out when they were posting those results.
Where are all these people with poor results? I looke at the couple threads with results and there are a couple people, but there are also people that are blown away with added libido, etc. None of these people are even TWO WEEKS into their cycle yet. You can't judge a compound by 8 or 9 days. I know people that ran ergo and didn't much for a 10 days and then added a ton of strength and size for the next 2-3 weeks.
RAVEN
ALRI
Ya know what Send me all of your ALRI products and I will give you a refund. There is no hype involved Emax is the same as Ergo(run from the same exact lot number of raws as the original) Save your drama for Bodybuilding.com. I am so tired of listening to this crap. Read the logs on Ergo/Emax this stuff works.
jazzyd said:
Ghosting
Guest
OK, I am guilty of only looking at this thread for E Max results, and there seems to be a lot of complaints. Sorry all.not_big_enuf said:
Ghosting
Guest
*raises hand* I havent even cracked open my bottle and I am on the bandwagon. Shame on me.KD1 said:
Ghosting
Guest
Thanks for putting my fears to rest.RAVEN said:
The hear-say gets me at times.snakebyte05
Board Supporter
I must admit I wonder, but I am sick of those complaining based on nothing, or because they read somewhere it wasn't the same. As far as I know some is being tested and we will know, until then everyone should be quiet and wait patiently.
Author L. Rea
Board Sponsor
It never fails to amaze me that anytime someone brings new and unique compounds to the market based upon long term experience and research, that there is always the same drama. Perhaps it is the old "The world is flat" analogy continued throughtout the centuries? Nonetheless it seems to always take its toll, time passes and the item becomes a well known standard. Then something else comes along to whine about. And be sure that there will always be a few who taint the minds of the many...for awhile. Lastime that was done to us I pulled Ergomax LMG from the market as I really do not need the money (certainly not complaining when things are going well either. lol) and tend to avoid negatives upon the industry. Then we had thousands of e-mails, and letters (and way to many phone calls) as well as the drama on a couple gosip boards. Then to make a point, we ran it again...and again there is the whining by the few. Don't like my products? Please, don't buy them. I work damn hard to improve the options for serious athletes and enthusiast. We do not work for whiners. We are only interested in advanced physiological evolution and those whom opt to achieve it through better health.Ghosting said:Thanks for putting my fears to rest.
So please do not take it to hard lad. And thank you for being honest. Get back to us on your results!
Ghosting
Guest
I read a few posts in this thread and was like ALRI has a conspiracy to sell us bogus E Max. I should know better. I fully admit to being an idiot.Author L. Rea said:
Victim of the industry gossip. 
Alpha Dog
Obese Member
blazinred said:
This is absolutely amazing. We have become a society of instant gratification. If a compound, simply by itself, doesn’t put on 10 lbs in two weeks, people bitch. Have you ever stopped to consider that since these very effective compounds were put on the market, perhaps people are not placing the emphasis on diet, rest and the proper training that is needed? Could they be looking for the magic bullet that allows them to work half as hard and make twice the gains? Notice the number of guys on this board alone (and this board is far better than most) whom are in their early twenties, training for less than a year and yet are partaking in these new compounds? Can those people whom are claiming the new e-max is a failure really tell me that their diet and training is in order and that they have given the proper amount of time to evaluating the product? Why is it I have yet to see an experienced member say that this product blows? This is all so sad….
blazinred
Member
bow said:
Im sure you just took a needle out of the haystack, but you picked the wrong needle, i prick back. With respect to bobo i could easily get very testy with you but i feel that would be stupid.I have my reasons for my post and i dont need you to make yourself president of this board while ARL is out. I was talking about another product w/raven and did not receive any info back with her via email,(im not blaming you raven, my computer has bein down alot)but if i had another problem which i do now, what is it to you? Im sure you have put on 14 IBS of lean mass with ARLI products, and love his company with your flawless diet and outward love for emax but are you threatened by the outcry of complaints? Im not complaining, im asking a question. I am a customer. I do have questions. One of them is Why was Emax known for increasing libido and know its the "same" compound and have sein the majority of reports saying thats not true? Are they complaining? Do they have that right? BOW down and let the people speak.I have bein a memeber since july of 2003, what experience do i need? Does it not include questioning a product? I could question Par about anything and he would fire right back at me without resentment. This is not a hate-off, if everyone is questioning and the company is acting defensive you may want to sit back and wonder why. If Author dosent care what people belive because he belives in his product im sure everything will be ok.
Author L. Rea
Board Sponsor
Bowing is never an option for me before anyone except God. We have done a great job of building amazing products and athletes. If you have a question I suggest you ask it. When I have time to post (I actually work for a living) I will answer it or one of the staff will. But if you insult or threaten, please, do not waste your time, and do not buy our products. Sure you are intitled to your opinions, and I support your right to do so. But please, try a positive approach as I have no time for drama.blazinred said:
Noting your time on this board I have to assume you are not familiar with the structure. We are here to discuss, at our expense, questions and ideas with like minds. I certainly do invite you to so and always enjoy good minds.
ALR
blazinred
Member
I know you work, as i do, i dont expect you to answer me personally, thats why i was speaking with raven. Where in my post do you perseive a threat? Do i dare perseive saying that if someone questions your products they shouldnt waist their time in buying them? I have tryed not to state any opionion of your company,just trying to let other people form their own.I diffently dont mean to start drama by any means, but i guess im guilty if that is stating what is going on. I re-edited my post while you were making yours and i stated i have bein here for about two years, how long does it take to be a member to get your structure? Ive read and used UH, now its being reformulated. I used atleast four of your products what am i missing?Author L. Rea said:
P.S. i have liked some of your products.
Dungeon1
Member
What I don't get is all of the posts I read where people are saying:"I have been taking E...max for 5 days now and I have only gained 2lbs and my strength has'nt gone up much." First of all 5 DAYS, that is not even enough time to judje the effectiveness of a hormonal compound. Second, if you follow a once a week split and you have only been taking e...max for 5 days, then you could only have conceivably hit each body part once on cycle, and if you are like some of the people at my gym, then you have already done chest 3 times as you feel it is your best determinant of strength increase, but you have never fully recovered. Make sense?
On a more important note I recently ran a 5 week cycle of Ergo (orig) and Prostan, but in the 3rd week I ran out of the origional formula and switched to E...max. I will say that I felt so good at the end of wk5 that I did not want to stop the cycle. As each day went buy my strength went up as did my weight. I gained 6lbs in 5 weeks on below maintenance cals. Of which 2wks into pct I still have kept 5 hard pounds, I lost fat, and my libido was torchurous for my poor, poor girlfreind. I was completely satisfied and will be repeating the cycle in 6 months. Thank you ALR, and when can I expect to get some retain?
On a more important note I recently ran a 5 week cycle of Ergo (orig) and Prostan, but in the 3rd week I ran out of the origional formula and switched to E...max. I will say that I felt so good at the end of wk5 that I did not want to stop the cycle. As each day went buy my strength went up as did my weight. I gained 6lbs in 5 weeks on below maintenance cals. Of which 2wks into pct I still have kept 5 hard pounds, I lost fat, and my libido was torchurous for my poor, poor girlfreind. I was completely satisfied and will be repeating the cycle in 6 months. Thank you ALR, and when can I expect to get some retain?