GOT BUSTED ON MY BLOODWORK!!! need advise
- Thread starter FRITZBLITZ
- Start date
2kvette
Active member
Nothing your saying is making sense.
Here is what is possible.
1) your stuff is fake(most likely)
2) you have a tumor(2nd most likely)
3) you have a genetic variation in an enzyme that will require thousands to test for, and is about as likely as being a conjoined twin.
Drop everything and go get bloods in one week and I bet your numbers plummet.
Oh, and what are your meds again? I never checked them.
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
Are you kidding...I'm just using simple math 300+450+450= 2800 then after compound doses are lower 50+300+300=5000
That's not arguing that is using common sense. If quantity goes down numbers should go down even if my gear is made from used motor oil it should still fall as 40% less motor oil is injected
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
Please explain how FAKE gear works...I'm at a loss they are the same FAKE compounds but yet using less causes your testosterone to double. I don't understand how FAKE gear works are you saying it's test with 9 different esters or what would be the scenario???
CatSnake
Well-known member
no.
pretty much everybody here told you to either 1) be a grown up and be honest with your doc or 2) back off your cycle to get accurate bloodwork.
but whatever.... you clearly don't want to hear anybody else's opinion anyway.
2kvette
Active member
Depending on the ester it could be fake. It could be faked with test U. But still, at those dosages, your levels won't reach a steady state for 6 weeks.
Also, testosterone esters are elimination rate limited, that is, the elimination of the substance is the slower process. So say you go from 600mg a week to 300mg a week of test cyp. Your levels will still go up for as long as two weeks after lowering dose to 300mg.
Simple math does not work here because the rate test enters the body is so much faster than the rate it is eliminated from the body.
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
Dude please just take a step back and think how implausible your suggestion is:
My scource [scourced from reliable Pharm or UGL lack of term] that has never made a mistake with any inject-able to me or my 5 close friends in years, suddenly buys fake gear that ALL happens to be Test-U and I'm the only person to have a problem with it. That's the only scenario and even then I don't know how you would get that spike in 20 days. Undec takes months to build up a peak.
Your example on 600mg will only elivate for 1 day when you first pin 300mg [assuming 3 days later] from then on it will decline not rapidly but it will decline
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
So I got my 3rd set of BW reults back and without any increase in hormaone compounds it raised to 5400 in a week, They got pulled about 6-7 days after 2nd BW showing TT 5000ng. I already have an appointment with a endo to do every hormone test under the earth,
But Ive been doing some digging and there is a generic condition called hypoandrgensism [way too much Tes]t. 1 aspect that may be the very culperate is when you burn out your adrenal glands from extreme stress and constant danger; which I used to have the danger but I;ve had the most stressful 5 years that I can remember, your adrenals can stop producing cortisol and produce massive amounts of Test[ This is also rare but not nearly in the 1 in 1million. It also fits that it just suddenly turned on.
But Ive been doing some digging and there is a generic condition called hypoandrgensism [way too much Tes]t. 1 aspect that may be the very culperate is when you burn out your adrenal glands from extreme stress and constant danger; which I used to have the danger but I;ve had the most stressful 5 years that I can remember, your adrenals can stop producing cortisol and produce massive amounts of Test[ This is also rare but not nearly in the 1 in 1million. It also fits that it just suddenly turned on.
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Would make more since if you weren't on gear suppressing that natural feedback system
2kvette
Active member
I'm even more convinced that the gear is fake based on the recent bloods. Fits exactly what I would expect steady state test levels to be. AI've never seen a case of hyperandrogenism that severe. And it's mostly women who get this btw.
brofessorx
Well-known member
Feed the dragon.... yes....he's hungry.....
:lmao:
:lmao:
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
I realize it's also rare. And I'm not backing the thought that anything is wrong with my organs [crossed fingers on teti cancer] but If we still have to argue fake gear let me give you a timeline...
first day frontloaded approx Test-c 680mg, approx EQ 850mg, approx Deca 800mg [frontloads were persicely calculated just dont remember]
I pin Test-c 300mg/week EQ450mg/week, Deca 450mg/weel Mon & Thurs
9 weeks into cycle 1st BW pulled shows TT2800 [FT was not tested]
9.5 weeks I cease Test-c and lower to EQ 300mg, Deca 300mg
11.5 weeks 2nd BW pulled shows TT 5000 FT 400
***I continue 300mg EQ Deca 300MG
12 weeks 3rd BW pulled TT 5400 [FT not tested]
I get that you think it's fake gear but give me a detailed way how fake gear gives those numbers along that timeline. I don't know how fake gear works I have never had a problem with my source. In my entire life if I thought gear was iffy I would just write off the loss and not use, ex I have a 50ml of Mexican Tren with a bull on it and a 50ML of Mexican EQ with a horse and I have "Organon" Stust 250 Amps that are not exact same ml when you compare all the amps. All of this was from a long long time ago. I don't inject sketchy ****z in my body
fueledpassion
Well-known member
It's real simple. Stop taking everything. If the numbers don't plane out or start dropping again within the next 2-3 weeks, then you have some other problem other than the long ester just beginning to peak and level out. Let's hope it's just the gear though.
As terrible as people are with math, I wouldn't be surprised if the mfg of the gear you used just overdosed the crap out of it. Here is a question that could help:
Do you get excessive PIP from any of those compounds? If dosed properly, you shouldn't. Is the oil extremely difficult to plunge through a 23-25g needle? That would be another sign of overdosed product.
As terrible as people are with math, I wouldn't be surprised if the mfg of the gear you used just overdosed the crap out of it. Here is a question that could help:
Do you get excessive PIP from any of those compounds? If dosed properly, you shouldn't. Is the oil extremely difficult to plunge through a 23-25g needle? That would be another sign of overdosed product.
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
Thanks for your vote of LOGIC. I thought of OD but I have pinned T400 and that felt like molasses made of glass LOL. It's possible the the Cyp could be closer to 300mg instead of 250mg/ml but no PIP other than regular even when I inject biceps. EQ is 300mg/ml [I have seen this standard for years]
Deca is 250mg/ml [I think Pharm version my source has is 200mg/ml]
My major thought is not that the gear is bad, not that I have a bad condition, I mainley think that some med/supp that I take interfears with the result. Just to make up an example but say...If I take Tramadol right before BW then the test gets magnified. All I know is that I had a UA that showed Meth, Heroin, and one other and it was from a combo of an antidepressent and a muscle relaxer.
And since my meds don't change much but my supps do, from day to day, I am inclined to find out what could fluke the test so I'm not always getting false BW. I don't see the endo for 2 months so I can finish cycle, and be chem free when I get BW and see.
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
I don't want to drag up the past...But I'm going to. So what was supposed to be a 5 month recomp cycle of Test C 300mg/ Deca 450mg/ EQ 450mg/ week ended up being a 3.5 month cycle where the last month was spent figuring out how eliminating Test C completely and dropping deca &EQ down to 300mg/week brought my TT to 5000 and FT 480.
I never figured it out and didn't even bother with BW PC but I did BW after a short PCT {short for me 4weeks] and the boys are still pushing in the 600s ng/dl. After PCT my doc wanted me to go to the endo. I new it would look really suspect if I went from 5k TT to 500 TT, so I had to shut myself down on perpose by dosing Test C at my perscribed Dose of 200mg/weelk.
My Endo was an idiot!..Now he measured my testicles and asked me a few on topic Q and a ton of off topic Q what does my grandma's BP have to do with the price of rice in china. But he left it at that with a BW for me to do at my choosing but he wanted it on a peak.
I used my Gear Test C [not the pharma] to do the 200mg and when I got BW about 3 weeks into TRT it came back 1180. Now I have 2 Q.
SHOULD I JUST CRUISE? Since I would have to PCT again and maybe again and again, since there was only 1 BW after the 5K TT; My doc doesent check my TT other that 1 every 2 years unless I bring it up but I bet he wants 3 BW all around 1000-1250 for him to leave it be
If I cruse what do you think about Test-C 200mg/ NPP 50mg/ Bold-A or Mast at 75mg/week and clomid at 12.5mg e3d I did a rough calc of suppression and it would be = to 255mg of Test C. I guess this Q is should I dose clomid at all since I plan to cycle again in 3 months? [yes I know that;s not proper time off but nothing has been BTB for months.
My last and curious Q is; since the Gear wasn't over dosed and PCT BW came back healthy what could be the culprit of the 5k TT?
I never figured it out and didn't even bother with BW PC but I did BW after a short PCT {short for me 4weeks] and the boys are still pushing in the 600s ng/dl. After PCT my doc wanted me to go to the endo. I new it would look really suspect if I went from 5k TT to 500 TT, so I had to shut myself down on perpose by dosing Test C at my perscribed Dose of 200mg/weelk.
My Endo was an idiot!..Now he measured my testicles and asked me a few on topic Q and a ton of off topic Q what does my grandma's BP have to do with the price of rice in china. But he left it at that with a BW for me to do at my choosing but he wanted it on a peak.
I used my Gear Test C [not the pharma] to do the 200mg and when I got BW about 3 weeks into TRT it came back 1180. Now I have 2 Q.
SHOULD I JUST CRUISE? Since I would have to PCT again and maybe again and again, since there was only 1 BW after the 5K TT; My doc doesent check my TT other that 1 every 2 years unless I bring it up but I bet he wants 3 BW all around 1000-1250 for him to leave it be
If I cruse what do you think about Test-C 200mg/ NPP 50mg/ Bold-A or Mast at 75mg/week and clomid at 12.5mg e3d I did a rough calc of suppression and it would be = to 255mg of Test C. I guess this Q is should I dose clomid at all since I plan to cycle again in 3 months? [yes I know that;s not proper time off but nothing has been BTB for months.
My last and curious Q is; since the Gear wasn't over dosed and PCT BW came back healthy what could be the culprit of the 5k TT?
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Bro pct didn't came back healthy. You are reading 600ng as you still were clearing the esters. You should have taken our advice are gone back to cruising until you figured out everything first anyways. So yes cruise
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
I didn't have any gear in me for just under 6 weeks incuding 4 week PCT the few undec esters on EQ aren't supposed to show up [we had that discussion] so if anything I was riding high on clomid...it really dosne't matter cuz I had to jump back on to keep my TRT; so this was the only outcome that I had as an option or have my doc drop me from his roster cuz I lied about gear and get Test for free.....I'll take door #1 but this still brings back the crazy 5K TT?
CatSnake
Well-known member
what was your LH, FSH and E2 after you did PCT?
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
LH 12 *clomid*, FSH 1.2 really low, E2 was high of scale.
CatSnake
Well-known member
dang.... how much clomid were you taking?
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
50/50/25/25...I have high LH though it sits high norm and never goes below 1
CatSnake
Well-known member
ah... the high dose of clomid also is prolly what pushed your LH and E2 up.
anyway, I'll be honest... I have no idea why you would want to cycle on and off since you're actually on TRT.
I'd "cruise" on your normal dose, and then "blast" with your additional compounds as needed....
I would not use clomid on cycle tho.... pretty pointless, and likely to cause more sides than benefits. just use HCG since you've prolly been prescribed that....
FRITZBLITZ
Banned
Your probably right on the TRT I could stand at 1100 instead of 600s. I guess it's the comitment to life long pinning, but I will probably do it anyway with cycles.
I'm not prescribed HCG. both my doc and the endo only think it's necessary when coming off TRT for kids??? I read a few things on pulsing clomid, but if I took it out and just cruised what's your opinion on the deca EQ levels? I have read a lot of guys on AM ad a little dose of what they like.