Good natural supplement?

[skyline999]

Looking for a nature supplement to help put on size and strength. Tried Viron but looking for something different.. is Vector any good?

 

[josun]

Anabolic xt

 

[cruze1911r1]

Anabolic effect from CEL is what I'm going to run during pct

 

[skyline999]

Both are out of stock? I’m from the UK btw

 

[Jeremyk1]

I’ve heard good things about Black Lion, but I haven’t tried any of theirs. CEL Anabolic Effect and SNS Anabolic XT are top notch. I’m currently stacking the two in PCT and it’s fantastic for strength. Apex Alchemy Ursa Major was terrific for me as well.

 

[BCseacow83]

X-gels
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Vector
Follidrone
Ursa-Major
Anacylus XT
A-bolic4


I am usually using at least a couple of these during my "pushes."

Base items I am always on:
Creatine
Beta Alanine
TMG/Betaine
ARA is likely going to move to this list at varying doses.

 

[Potbelly]

Have used all the above while on pct and never noticed a difference. Just me have worked for many

 

[skyline999]

X-gels
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Vector
Follidrone
Ursa-Major
Anacylus XT
A-bolic4


I am usually using at least a couple of these during my "pushes."

Base items I am always on:
Creatine
Beta Alanine
TMG/Betaine
ARA is likely going to move to this list at varying doses.

Which of these would you recommend for bulking? I read Follidrone was more for cutting?

 

[Smont]

Which of these would you recommend for bulking? I read Follidrone was more for cutting?

Your diet will mostly determine that outcome.

Natty bulking

Keep your calories high and put the majority of your carbs around the workout, creatine 5gm daily and a extra 5 intra workout with some glutamine, eaa and simple carbohydrates.

X-gels or "arachidonic acid" would be my choice after that.

Then if funds allow I'd look into the natty anabolics.

I know glutamine is controversial for muscle growth and recovery but I find it very effective, and if you bump up the dose to 20ish grams a day it should improve gut health and digestion and make you get better use out of your food. You can't build muscle without food and you can't use that food if your not digesting it properly.

 

[BCseacow83]

Your diet will mostly determine that outcome.

Natty bulking

Keep your calories high and put the majority of your carbs around the workout, creatine 5gm daily and a extra 5 intra workout with some glutamine, eaa and simple carbohydrates.

X-gels or "arachidonic acid" would be my choice after that.

Then if funds allow I'd look into the natty anabolics.

I know glutamine is controversial for muscle growth and recovery but I find it very effective, and if you bump up the dose to 20ish grams a day it should improve gut health and digestion and make you get better use out of your food. You can't build muscle without food and you can't use that food if your not digesting it properly.

The older the person gets the more important this is. Many young guys come into the shop and are not interested in anything regarding maximizing digestion, right up until they have issues. I too like glutamine and kind of think of it like fish oil, minerals and vitamins it's not going to show crazy results in some 5g/day four week long study. Boosting immunity and digestion is worth it IMO. I always get less sore when dosing in the 20+g/day range.

 

[Smont]

The older the person gets the more important this is. Many young guys come into the shop and are not interested in anything regarding maximizing digestion, right up until they have issues. I too like glutamine and kind of think of it like fish oil, minerals and vitamins it's not going to show crazy results in some 5g/day four week long study. Boosting immunity and digestion is worth it IMO. I always get less sore when dosing in the 20+g/day range.

You calling me old bro?I've been 27 for the last 10 years!!!

Ive actually had gut health issues my whole life and I have always just dealt with it.

But more and more these days, or I should say over the past two or three years I realize how important gut and immune health is.

I've noticed over the years that I'm very resilient, I can put a beating on myself and not suffer too much, or I can handle the suffering very well maybe.

What is stupid approach on my part... When my diet is on point and I'm supplementing to take care of gut health and immune function I feel way better, less stomach problems, less heartburn, LESS BODY FAT!

Probiotic supplements never really seem to help me but probiotic foods, fermented foods, pineapple and glutamine all seem to help me

 

[Smont]

And yes, there's definitely something special around that 20+gm a day mark

 

[skyline999]

Is glutamine really that good for the gut? Any studies? I suffer from gut issues too so I’d be very keen to start this.

 

[Smont]

Is glutamine really that good for the gut? Any studies? I suffer from gut issues too so I’d be very keen to start this.

Tons of studies, with that being said, remember studies don't prove anything they're just a small piece of evidence that you should use to mold your ideas and come to your own conclusions. Do your own trial and error it'll be much more beneficial to you than reading some study. But go ahead and read the studies too if you want

 

[Darkhorse192]

X-gels
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Vector
Follidrone
Ursa-Major
Anacylus XT
A-bolic4


I am usually using at least a couple of these during my "pushes."

Base items I am always on:
Creatine
Beta Alanine
TMG/Betaine
ARA is likely going to move to this list at varying doses.

Man, I loved A-bolic4, it was like I would walk around in a state of peak / perpetual pump and fullness

 

[LeanEngineer]

X-gels
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Vector
Follidrone
Ursa-Major
Anacylus XT
A-bolic4

Pretty solid list right here. I would add Optimize-T by SNS and Anafuse by Vital Alchemy to the mix as well.

 

[skyline999]

Thanks for the recommendations guys I’ll let you know which I plan on using. None of the list requires PCT after right?

@Smont thanks for the heads up on glutamine I’ll give it a go.

I can’t believe how expensive the supplements here in the UK are!! Protein powders have gone up massively to say the least

 

[Smont]

Thanks for the recommendations guys I’ll let you know which I plan on using. None of the list requires PCT after right?

@Smont thanks for the heads up on glutamine I’ll give it a go.

I can’t believe how expensive the supplements here in the UK are!! Protein powders have gone up massively to say the least

It's not the UK, it's EVERYWHERE!

 

[sns8778]

Both are out of stock? I’m from the UK btw

Both Powermyself and Predator have Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT on the way to them and also there is a website named Unreal Supps in the UK that has Anabolic Effect in stock and Anabolic XT on the way to them.

Also, SNS and CEL both ship internationally as well.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Thanks for the recommendations guys I’ll let you know which I plan on using. None of the list requires PCT after right?

@Smont thanks for the heads up on glutamine I’ll give it a go.

I can’t believe how expensive the supplements here in the UK are!! Protein powders have gone up massively to say the least

I recommend per4m protein. It's a concentrate but flavours are amazing and it's very versatile. About £45 for 65 servings.

 

[LeanEngineer]

It's not the UK, it's EVERYWHERE!

I wish this wasn't true but it's the truth

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Epichaos-Ursa major-Hyperion

High quality~High horsepowa

 

[johnl1800]

BLR- Androgin, Vector, Follidrone

Apex- Epichaos, Ursa Major

Evomuse- MyoSynergy, BMP

SNS- Anabolic XT, Recomp20

CEL- Anabolic Effect, Epi-Plex, Api-Plex, Ecdy-Plex

Androgin is probably my favorite. That said everything above by BLR, Apex and Evo are very good. I've also taken Anabolic Effect which is also very good as well. Since they are new I haven't tried Anabolic XT or Recomp20 yet but the feedback has been solid so far and will buy them at some point once I work my way through my current backlog of supplements.

 

[BigGame84]

BLR- Androgin, Vector, Follidrone

Apex- Epichaos, Ursa Major

Evomuse- MyoSynergy, BMP

SNS- Anabolic XT, Recomp20

CEL- Anabolic Effect, Epi-Plex, Api-Plex, Ecdy-Plex

Androgin is probably my favorite. That said everything above by BLR, Apex and Evo are very good. I've also taken Anabolic Effect which is also very good as well. Since they are new I have't tried Anabolic XT or Recomp20 yet but the feedback has been solid so far and will buy them at some point once I work my way through my current backlog of supplements.

How do you dose Androgin?

 

[johnl1800]

How do you dose Androgin?

1 capsule twice a day. The first early in the day and the second in the evening usually around 8pm or so.

 

[KvanH]

1 capsule twice a day. The first early in the day and the second in the evening usually around 8pm or so.

What benefits do you get from it?

 

[LeanEngineer]

That said everything above by BLR, Apex and Evo are very good

Can't argue with that! Don't think i've had a bad experience with any of their products!

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Currently running Anabolic XT + Api plex and very happy overall.

Anabolic Effect is also one of my favorite as well.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Currently running Anabolic XT + Api plex and very happy overall.

Anabolic Effect is also one of my favorite as well.

I’m taking both Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT together. Strength shot up, I’m getting hungry as all heck, and I think I may have leaned out a bit. Highly recommend the combo.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I’m taking both Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT together. Strength shot up, I’m getting hungry as all heck, and I think I may have leaned out a bit. Highly recommend the combo.

nice . yeah thats gotta be one of the best natural stack. or one of those with Anacyclus XT i am hearing works pretty well too.

Are you just doing the normal dosing protocol for AnabolicXT ? tried all 6 preworkout ?

 

[BCseacow83]

Pretty solid list right here. I would add Optimize-T by SNS and Anafuse by Vital Alchemy to the mix as well.

I have yet to use Optimize-T but it is on my list for sure. Never used Anafuse either. I tried to only list products I had first had experience with.

 

[sns8778]

I have yet to use Optimize-T but it is on my list for sure. Never used Anafuse either. I tried to only list products I had first had experience with.

Optimize-T is a great product. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it when you try it.

 

[Jeremyk1]

nice . yeah thats gotta be one of the best natural stack. or one of those with Anacyclus XT i am hearing works pretty well too.

Are you just doing the normal dosing protocol for AnabolicXT ? tried all 6 preworkout ?

I’m horrible about taking supplements in the evening. Or really any time. I take everything with some preworkout first thing in the morning, before working out. That may be why I’m getting so hungry. I do all 6 of each at once.

 

[BCseacow83]

I’m horrible about taking supplements in the evening. Or really any time. I take everything with some preworkout first thing in the morning, before working out. That may be why I’m getting so hungry. I do all 6 of each at once.

Tape the bottle to your toothpaste. This assumes you brush your teethe at night and makes it impossible to not see and remember to take the supps.

 

[johnl1800]

What benefits do you get from it?

I must respond well to Androgin because literally day one I slept like I was sedated. Recovery has been good and after I started taking it I took note that my workouts had been more productive.

I cycled off for a few months and definitely noticed a drop off in all of the above particularly the sleep aspect. Once I went back on I saw the same benefits that I had seen the first time around which convinced me that it was something that would remain on my rotation of supplements in the future.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I have yet to use Optimize-T but it is on my list for sure. Never used Anafuse either. I tried to only list products I had first had experience with.

Both are great products. Would definitely recommend snagging a bottle of each just to try out.

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[skyline999]

I better get my chequebook ready lol