Getting rid of gyno n getting bigger than IC.....if thats even possible.

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Starting this thread now since I ask question in my log and they're never answerd, and to bring light to just how hard it is to make Irish Cannon look like a little girl.

I'm going to give it my all tho!!!!

I am also trying to get rid of pubertal gyno with epistane. My case is not very bad but hoping this will kill it and add some LBM too, while slimming down a bit.

I haven't run a cycle in almost 7 months and only 1 cycle in the past 13 months or so......

I will also be finishing off X-Factor with Episate. I've already been on it for 25+ days (i just started my 2nd bottle the other day)

Im going to be running a lot of stuff...here's the list!

Beverly Int
-Ultra 40's
-Mass Amino's

USPLabs
Anabolic Pump/Yellow Gold (have an use both)
Bulk P-Slin
Bulk 1-Carboxy
Bulk Cissus-RX

NutraPlanet
-Creatine mono
-AAKG
-GMS
-Tyrosine
-Beta-Alanine (when x-factor is over)
-BCAA's
-Glutamine
-CLA

X-Factor
1000mg/day

Epistane
8 weeks
20/20/30/30/30/30/40/40

LG Sciences Liq Masterdrol
8 weeks (pulsed)
300mg pre-workout

Cycle Support
1-2 scoops/day (have been doing this since april)

I think thats everything.
 
DIET

DIET: FIRST 5 WEEKS

IC is a big mofo so Im going to be bulking here a little.

30min before Breakfast
1 Anabolic Pump
2 Leviathan
2gr Tyrosine
5gr Creatine
1/2t Bulk 1 Carboxy
1/4 Bulk CissusRX

Breakfast:
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
2 slices ezekiel bread
-4 Ultra 40's
-4 Mass Amino's
-1 X-factor
-10mg Epistane
-1gr CLA

* 2 leviathan before meal 3
Meal 2 & 3:
6-8oz chicken
1/3 cup brown rice
-1gr CLA

15min Before Pre-Workout Meal
1/4t Bulk P-Slin

Pre-Workout Meal (about 1.5hr before workout)
8oz Chicken
1/2 cup Brown Rice
-4 Ultra 40's
-4 Mass Amino's
-2 X-Factor
-10mg Epistane

Pre-Workout Stack
5gr Creatine Mono
5gr AAKG
6gr GMS (work my way up to that....add 1gr each day)
3gr Taurine
2gr Tyrosine
3gr Beta-Alanine (will add when im done with x-factor)
1 serving Liq Masterdrol
1/2t Bulk 1 Carboxy
1/4 Bulk CissusRX

Immedietly Post Workout
10gr BCAA's
10gr Glutamine
5gr Creatine Mono
3caps NeoVar

~15min later
Post Workout Meal
1t. PeptoPro
2 scoops Whey Isolate
1/2 cup Ezekiel Cereal
1TBS Honey
4oz Soy Milk (unsweetend)
-4 Ultra 40's
-4 Mass Amino's

Meal 6:
8-10oz Ground Beef
cheese n taco seasoning

Meal 7:
1/2 cup 1% cottage cheese
2 scoops Dymatize Elite 12hr Protein
-2gr CLA

Before Bed
1/4t. Bulk 1 Carboxy
1/4t. Bulk CissusRX
 
Training DC style here

Mon: Workout A
Tue: Abs/cardio
Wed: Workout B
Thur: Abs/cardio
Fri: Workout A
Sat: cardio
Sun: maybe cardio
Mon: Workout B
etc.....

Workout A (Chest/Shoulders/Tri's/Back Width/Back Thickness)
Workout B (Bi's/Forearms/Calf/Hamstrings/Quads)

Workout Rotation

Workout A: 1/2/3
Chest: Incline BB/ Flat BB/Hammer Decline
Shoulders: Smith Overhead Press/ Hammer Iso Overhead/ DB Overhead
Triceps: CG Bench/ Skull Crushers/Reverse Grip Bench (smith)
Back Width: Lat Pull Down/ Pull-Ups/ Neutral Grip Pull Downs
Back Thickness: Rack Deads/ T-Bar Row/ Full Deads

Workout B: 1/2/3
Bi's: Straight BB Curl/ DB curls/ CG Preacher Curl
Forearms: Pin-Wheel curls/ Reverse Grip Curl/Hammer DB Curls
Calf: Neutral/toes in/Toes out
Hamstrings: Lying Leg Curl/Seated Leg Curl/Iso Leg Curl
Quads: Hack Squat/ Smith tip-toe squat/ Full Squat
 
Subbed! Interesting stack :) Good luck!
 
It's liquid masterdrol=DHT so I should be cool.

I have not started everything yet, still on the basics but started training DC the other day here's todays workout....splits wont be like this. Its only because I am leaving town for a week all above starts when I get back

Skull Crushers
95lbs
12x5x3

Straight BB Curl
65lbs
11x5x3

Calf Raise
160x12 (DC Style)

Lying Leg Curl
110lbs
11x5x3

Hack Squats
6plates
9reps

2plates + quaters
20reps (waaaay to light but my knees where killing me..no wraps)
 
We went out for dinner tonight and I had 14oz New York Strip, 25oz of Sam Adams and some fries( literally only had maybe 7)....nothing too horrible but going to hit up 45min of cardio 2maro morning before I leave anyways.

Next week is going to be rough to stick to a respectable diet but I'll do my best.
 
Uh-oh! You're running that Epi AND Masterdrol! I guess I have to work extra hard now. Good luck with everything dude. Get growing. :) - I hope Epi does the trick for your gyno. Have you ran it before?
 
Irish Cannon said:
Uh-oh! You're running that Epi AND Masterdrol! I guess I have to work extra hard now. Good luck with everything dude. Get growing. :) - I hope Epi does the trick for your gyno. Have you ran it before?
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Thanks brother....best to you too!

Nope never before and I got's me 2 bottles!!!

Hows yours doing? I remember you saying it did a pretty good job on it, and from looking at ur pics ours look'd similar in its degree to mine. Actually it's part of the reason I pick'd it.
 
1HP said:
Yeah but that's an extra risk for estro a few months post cycle.

My gyno grew considerably from an estro rebound following a cycle of "The One". Lumps have tripled in size and struggling to get them down. Estro rebounds are fking nasty.. Funny thing The One almost eliminated my gyno on cycle, but now it's back with a vengeance..

Just saying if killing gyno is your main goal.. ;) Anyways the best of luck with your cycle, may the gains be with you ;)
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I would probably second this. If gyno killing is the main goal, do away with everything else. I'd run some Formestane alongside the Epi and leave it at that.
 
1HP said:
Yeah but that's an extra risk for estro a few months post cycle.

My gyno grew considerably from an estro rebound following a cycle of "The One". Lumps have tripled in size and struggling to get them down. Estro rebounds are fking nasty.. Funny thing The One almost eliminated my gyno on cycle, but now it's back with a vengeance..

Just saying if killing gyno is your main goal.. ;) Anyways the best of luck with your cycle, may the gains be with you ;)
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Just curious; did you use the 2nd gear for PCT or did you go with something else? I am running The One right now and want to avoid using a SERM. I am planning on going with the 2nd gear and DTH for PCT, but if you got the gyno even while using the 2nd gear I may opt to use this bottle of Formex I have instead. What is your opinion?
 
No reason to low dose the Epi. If it's going to work to reduce gyno, it will do it at a higher dose as well. I'm living proof. I've ran it twice and saw a reduction even in the 60mg range as well as 30mg.
 
Finally back home, but it'll be short lived. Im heading back out wed-tue. I know my diet and training will still be 100% on this trip so im not worried.

Only issue will be lack of updates. Also I have found out here in cali red meat is cheap (better cuts for close to $3/lb when on sale) and chicken is expensive (close to $3/lb when not on sale). So, Im probably going to be switching to 100% red meat for protein meat soucres. Plus after eating it all last week, its damn good!
 
1HP said:
For you distilled water, from another board on epistane vs gyno. I might try this in the near future, low dose epistane (20mg ED) + raloxifene (60mg ED).
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Workout out sunday this week because of my travel and plans later in the week

WORKOUT 1A (11-15RP)

Incline BB Bench
225lbs
8x3x2
13RP

Smith Overhead Press Front
185lbs
7x4x3
13RP

Smith CG Bench
185lbs
10x4x3
17RP

Lat Pull Down
165lbs
9x5x3
17RP

Rack Deads
315x12
335x9

Picked up some Top Round today for 3.29/lb!!! Guess what was on sale too...chicken but for 3.99/lb :think:
 
Good Luck man! I hope you reach your goal, but IC is pretty stacked! He gets bigger every time i see him, his beard normally does too.
 
thenomad said:
Good Luck man! I hope you reach your goal, but IC is pretty stacked! He gets bigger every time i see him, his beard normally does too.
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Yea I know, I was reading thru IC's log and he was looking kinda burnt out so I madea friendly challenge.

I havent posted a picture on here since I was pretty diced last august and im 25lbs heavier now so........is IC bigger than me???? We wont know til the end of august (Inservt eveil laugh)

But no IC is a huge mofo, I am also accepting prayers in this log...because im gonna need em
 
Distilled Water said:
Yea I know, I was reading thru IC's log and he was looking kinda burnt out so I madea friendly challenge.

I havent posted a picture on here since I was pretty diced last august and im 25lbs heavier now so........is IC bigger than me???? We wont know til the end of august (Inservt eveil laugh)

But no IC is a huge mofo, I am also accepting prayers in this log...because im gonna need em
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word.
here's one:
Lord, please protect DW as he attempts to reach his goal of getting massive. We ask that he may remain safe and injury-free for the duration of his cycle. May he always remember to put you first. Thank you for your son who you sent to die for our sins. Amen.
 
I agree with IC. Nothing squashed my lump like Formestane and that was On cycle with Pmag. The lump came back in pct with a vengance (aPCT and Sustain), and please don't let this jinx me, but after pct it went down over the past 5-7 days with zero hormonal supplementation.

We can theorize all day about 1C is good or bad for gyno, 20mg vs. 40mg epithio... IMO, it's all random hormonal flux and none of us have any frickin clue whatsoever what supps help and what won't. I know I sure don't, so DW, you're plan is as good as any of the others that I've seen brotha :cheers:
 
celc5 said:
I agree with IC. Nothing squashed my lump like Formestane and that was On cycle with Pmag. The lump came back in pct with a vengance (aPCT and Sustain), and please don't let this jinx me, but after pct it went down over the past 5-7 days with zero hormonal supplementation.

We can theorize all day about 1C is good or bad for gyno, 20mg vs. 40mg epithio... IMO, it's all random hormonal flux and none of us have any frickin clue whatsoever what supps help and what won't. I know I sure don't, so DW, you're plan is as good as any of the others that I've seen brotha :cheers:
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Word. I can only speculate as to what I've seen for myself. It seems different things work for everyone.
 
1HP said:
I read a disturbing article on resveratrol having very strong estrogenic effects (like 8-fold stronger then estrogen) on breast tissue when you have low estrogen levels. I'm not going to stack resveratrol based products with anything surpressing my estrogen. Could be you need something as strong as letrozole to make that happen but I rather not take any chances.
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I see where you're coming from. I think I was a non-responder to Sustain anyway, so no need for me to add res for anything ever again. But ya, once pct was completed and the Sustain was taken out, the lump started to go back down. Formestane DEFINATELY crushed the lump, but it seems as if I find a way to ef it up afterwards every time with something that causes problems. I dunno :dunno:
 
Cutting back on carbs a little....they have me feeling slightly lethargic and bloated.

Workout B1

Barebell Curls
75lbs
10x4x3
17RP

DB Pinwheel Curls
40x10
SS

Hammer Seated Calf Raise
80lbsx10 DC Style

Lying Leg Curls
120lbs
10x4x3
17RP

Hack Squats
6platesx12reps
4platesx20reps

Moving up on all weights :dance:
 
Diet has been great and I feel alot better with the lower carbs today. However, I did add some during my workout (WMS/Creatine/PeptoPro). Tyrosine is making me sweat like a mofo, so I hope its doing somthing :D.

Finally "feeling" strong and big again.

I will be starting GlycerGrow also next week....6 scoops pre-workout. It's suppose to help with the DC style workout and stretching to add more lbm. I figure this is as great of a time as any to test this theory.
 
I would DEFINITELY include 50/50/50/25/25/25/25.....7 weeks or so of Clomiphene at a low dosage. This is what people do for a "restart". I'm actually on this now, for low-T levels. Add nolva/AI or whatever else you want the first 4 weeks...then just stay on the SERM for a while. It has no sides at the low dose, and after 8 weeks of any strong PH you will be severely shut down.


After being on clomid solo for the past 6 weeks at 25mg/day, I feel totally different than I have my whole life. This should be a staple supplement. I dont understand why people only run their pcts for 4 weeks. Just because you had a 4 week cycle doesn't mean a 4 week pct is enough.
 
DW,
I'm a big Tyrosine fan myself. That's probably why I like Slingshot, because of the tyrosine "awake" or "alert" feeling. How much are you dosing and do you dose it consistently?

If I use a mid level dose, let's say 1g, and I dose it consistently, after about 5 days I can't turn my brain off to sleep though. When I dose maybe two or 3 times per week, it only takes 500mg to get the alert effect and it doesn't affect sleep.

I've never experienced the stim effect that some describe and I've never noticed increased sweating. Maybe it's dose dependent and I just never go high enough???
 
celc5 said:
DW,
I'm a big Tyrosine fan myself. That's probably why I like Slingshot, because of the tyrosine "awake" or "alert" feeling. How much are you dosing and do you dose it consistently?

If I use a mid level dose, let's say 1g, and I dose it consistently, after about 5 days I can't turn my brain off to sleep though. When I dose maybe two or 3 times per week, it only takes 500mg to get the alert effect and it doesn't affect sleep.

I've never experienced the stim effect that some describe and I've never noticed increased sweating. Maybe it's dose dependent and I just never go high enough???
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Yea I'd say dose dependent for sure. For a while i was inconsistent with it but for the last few weeks I have been on it everyday...some days I miss my morning dose but for the most part every day.

Im doing ~2gr 2x's/day.....its actually 2t. of Nutra bulk 300mg per 1/4t and its a rounded measure for me.

In past years I was doing 500mg to 1500mg a day (split in 2 doses) and never go the sweats as bad as I do now.

I know what you mean about the alertness. After work im drained and really need somthing to get me going but if i do caffeine it keeps me up...after about 30min i feel great.
 
Took a half day at work to get ready for my traveling.

I did 45min cardio today and im sore as all get out. The X-Factor DOMS is KILLING ME!!! So should really stat seeing results. Things I notice now from it are more easily obtained pumps really. Strength is at a steady climb and no realy recomp but my diet isn't really geard that way.

Diet will get a little sketchy again but nothing too crazy. Keepin them protein grams high and sugar/fat to a minimum.
 
Back and ready to get after it.

I trained while I was out of town, workouts were so-so but this DOMS is killing me fo's real. I have taken 3 days off and im actually feeling pretty good. I'll hit workout A3 tomorrow.

I may have broken a finger but not sure. My buddy was jumped by 4 guys outside of the bar this past weekend and I came running to the resuce, crushing skulls. In the process I messed up my right hand pretty bad and split open some of my left knuckles.

I'll know tomorrow how much it'll hinder me in the gym.
 
DW... myyyy hero :D

Dunk it in an ice bath for 5 minutes 5-6 times per day. The faster you get the swelling down, the better for pain, range of motion, pressure on small ligaments in your fingers etc etc etc Ice Ice Ice Even if you don't see swelling, it's probably still inside the joint.
 
Yea it was crazy. First ever brawl i've been a part of. I usually pass on that type of stuff but he was out numbered big time.

Workout A3

Decline Hammer
230lbs
10x3x2
15RP

Overhead DB Press
55lbs
13x5x3
21RP

Hammer Dip Machine
180lbs
10x4x2
16RP

Pull Ups
BW
8x3x2
13RP

T-Bar Row
4 plates
6reps

I had to change the exercises because of my hand. I simply could not grip it. I have been incing a little but will do more. Great pump and felt strong.

Diet has been great today and will continue to be for the next 7 weeks.....scales slowly moving north :afro:
 
Irish Cannon said:
I've seen a reduction starting in Week 3 on both cycles. Give it some time.
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Awesome, thanks for the heads up on that.

Unlike you, I think I have some scar tissue in there. Its like a small "line" running from the edge of my nipple down to my armpit but is only maybe 1" long?

I was going to try and get surgery this summer to remove it but had about 1k to pay back from unexpected things that happened during the school year regarding family. I've figured i've been living with this for 10+years....whats one or two more?
 
Had a long day at work today but 2maro is the last day....the economy has finally hit me. I'm not real worried i'll be fine until school starts up again i've been smart with my money.

Good news is i'll be able to get enough sleep/rest and get in all my meals as needed. IC this may be some bad news for you broham,lol.

Nah just messin' u'll prolly be fine.
 
Workout B3

CG Preacher Curls
55lbs
12x6x4
22RP

DB Hammer Curls
35lbs
15SS

Hammer Seated Calf Raise Toes Out
90lbs
9 DC reps

Standing Iso Leg Curl (DITCHING THIS)
****TY

Full BB Squats
225lbs
12SS
185lbs
20SS

I can't go Ass to Grass on squats anymore, mu ankle/foot injury doesn't allow it. So now I pause right below 90 and at the top....kinda TUT principle. Need to adjust weight as you can see.

Also im dropping CG Precher and Just doing precher. My wrists gave out before my bi's did.

I was dead during my workout today and today was my last day of work so cardio 4x's/week (fasted) starts 2maro.

I looked at my log book and I lost weight this week, only 1lb tho. 6 weeks til the showdown with IC so my diet will be a changin here soon
 
Since top Sirloin was 2.59/lb this week and london broil was 2.99/lb last week heres what my diet has looked like. Waaay different than what I posted im sorry guys but chicken is never under 3.99/lb so I stopped buying it.

Non-Workout Days​
(sun/tue/thur/sat)

Meal 1:
4 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 scoop Whey
40gr Carbs from Ezekiel source

Meal 2:
8oz Top Sirloin
asparagus

Meal 3:
8oz Top Sirloin
Large Sweet Potato

Meal 4:
8oz Top Sirloin
asparagus

Meal 5:
8oz Top Sirloin
Large Sweet Potato

Meal 6:
8oz Chicken or Tilapia
asparagus

Meal 7:
2 scoops Dymatize 12hr-Protein
Bowl of Lettuce​

Workout Days​
(mon/wed/fri)

Meal 1:
4 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 scoop Whey
40gr Carbs from Ezekiel source

Meal 2:
8oz Top Sirloin
1/2 cup Brown Rice
asparagus

Meal 3:
8oz Top Sirloin
Large Sweet Potato

Meal 4:
8oz Top Sirloin
1/2 cup Brown Rice
asparagus

Meal 5:
8oz Top Sirloin
Large Sweet Potato

Meal 6:
8oz Chicken or Tilapia
1/4 cup Brown Rice
asparagus

Meal 7:
2 scoops Dymatize 12hr-Protein
Bowl of Lettuce​
 
Do what you gotta do to get your local grocery stores' weekly ads. Every week, I can find chicken for just over $2/lb somewhere.

For example, Shop n Save has 3 pound bags of frozen chicken 4 for $20 about once per month. I dunno if that's just a Pennsylvania chain or not though :think:

Generic tuna can get pretty cheap too (Aldi's for example). The generics are nasty at face value. But you can get creative and dress them up to make it tolerable with tomatoes, etc. Also, a sandwich maker can run ya about 15 or 20 bucks at Wal Mart, but they make tuna melts a lot easier to stomach IMO.
 
celc5 said:
Do what you gotta do to get your local grocery stores' weekly ads. Every week, I can find chicken for just over $2/lb somewhere.

For example, Shop n Save has 3 pound bags of frozen chicken 4 for $20 about once per month. I dunno if that's just a Pennsylvania chain or not though :think:

Generic tuna can get pretty cheap too (Aldi's for example). The generics are nasty at face value. But you can get creative and dress them up to make it tolerable with tomatoes, etc. Also, a sandwich maker can run ya about 15 or 20 bucks at Wal Mart, but they make tuna melts a lot easier to stomach IMO.
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Yea I've done my homework....California is it's own beast off in its own world. It really should be it's own country, and i'm being serious.
 
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