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Gearing Up for SyntheSIZE Final

Sir Savage

Board Sponsor
Guys,

We're getting very close to the release of SyntheSIZE final, along with SuperCarb final and a new, unannounced product. Also, a major announcement will be made at that point.

My advice would be to scoop up the SyntheSIZE beta over at nutraplanet.com right now because it's only 29.99. You can take this by itself for good results, of course, but you'll definitely want to get it to stack with the two product that will follow the release of SyntheSIZE and SuperCarb finals for the ultimate pre-workout/natural anabolic stack.

You can't beat that price for SyntheSIZE. Buy it at 29.99 while you can.
 
Sir Savage said:
Yeah, I'd suggest doing that.

The final, unfortunately, will definitely be higher than 29.99.
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I don't mind paying more for it.

I have 3 tubs of the beta that I am using now for my cut. I might just wait, because this flavor is well...interesting.
 
Honestly, I didn't like the beta flavor that much, but hey, for 29.99...

But the final will be orange and should be much better.
 
Will the new pre-workout mixes, fed, etc. be adressed also?Also, from what I have heard of the new mixes, they are sounding sweet!Coming from u guys I excepect a terrific and scientifically backed mix that shall be awesome.Also, maybe a hint of ''pwnsauce''.I kinda have a feeling of what it might be, and I hope it is.
 
Well here's the scoop.

When we sat down to create the best anabolic/pre-workout supplement out there, we quickly found out that it was going to be waaaay too expensive. So, we decided that we needed to break it up so that consumers could pick and choose which ones they wanted, or if they had the budget, all of them stacked together for the ultimate stack.

So here's a quick run-down of how the future "Avant Stack for Mass" will be (and notice the quotes- we have a much cooler format for our upcoming stacks than that)-

1) SyntheSIZE- meal optimizer and cell volumizer. You take it with meals so that you can get the most out of them via Aminogen, buffer minerals, and so forth. It's also a good cell volumizer with CEE, NAC, inositol, etc.

2) Dominate- pre-workout drink meant to make your muscles crazy full. Packed with goodness to make your muscles swole, including an ingredient from one of our other products that I believe we were responsible for bringing to market first. You take it before you workout.

3) M.A.N.A.- pre-workout drink meant to boost your endurance through the roof. Contains all kinds of ingredients to work through different physiological mechanisms to make you lift longer, run farther, etc. What's great about this product is that it's not just for lifters- endurance athletes can and should use it, too.

Now it's important to point out that other than one or two ingredients, these products don't share ingredients. Each product has a specific purpose with its own specific ingredients. Each can stand solidly on its own, but if you want the ultimate stack (which is what we were aiming for), then all three are key.

Now, combine SyntheSIZE, Dominate, and M.A.N.A. with some SuperCarb before and after workouts, and my God, talk about a ridiculous anabolic stack.

I'm pretty excited about this because it marks our return to making anabolic products. And like I said, we're formulating all of these and presenting the stacks in a way that, in true Avant fashion, hasn't really been done before.

I think y'all are going to like it.

As far as "pwnsauce" goes, sometimes it's good to go with your instincts. ;)
 
nice! the sound of them sound sweet.I also love the fact of how like u said there are two kinds for different purposes that u can mix too if u want...I'm sure these will do more than well.And I'm guessing the announcement will pretty much cover everything that will be out soon and taht is in development?Also, haven't seen Par about in a while, when things get goin will he be around more often?
 
Yep, the announcement will cover those topics and more.

Par has been busy. Right now, he's literally mixing up betas for a new product.

But yeah, I'll get him to come around more.
 
Since Synthesize will be orange flavored, will the other upcoming products be orange flavored or flavors that compliment with the orange?
 
Well, that's sort of still up in the air.

Do y'all think the other two should be orange flavored, too, so you can literally mix them together, or would you prefer to have them fruit punch, lemon, or something like that?
 
Sir Savage said:
Well, that's sort of still up in the air.

Do y'all think the other two should be orange flavored, too, so you can literally mix them together, or would you prefer to have them fruit punch, lemon, or something like that?
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Personally, I don't think they should all be orange. I guess for stacking purposes, it would be convenient but flavors that complement each other would work just fine. Not everyone likes orange too, so it would probably better to keep a range of flavors available. (If during your decision making, you need to try out different flavors, please feel free to send them to me. I'll be happy to tell you how they taste. ;) )

On a side note, I got a tub of the Synthesize Beta a little while ago. I only used it a few times and each time I did I seemed to get a little mud butt. I believe I remember reading that the mag citrate would be responsible for this. It wasn't too bad and I plan on finishing the tub because I want to see how well it works, but is there anything I can do to minimize the possibility of mud butt?
 
I think that's a first. I've never heard of someone having full out mudd butt on SyntheSIZE. I've heard of it helping to keep people regular, but not the grizzly squirts.

Yeah, it's most likely the mag citrate. I would think that if you give it a couple of days of constant usage, it'll go away. But I would recommend starting low and gradually building up.
 
Sir Savage said:
I think that's a first. I've never heard of someone having full out mudd butt on SyntheSIZE. I've heard of it helping to keep people regular, but not the grizzly squirts.

Yeah, it's most likely the mag citrate. I would think that if you give it a couple of days of constant usage, it'll go away. But I would recommend starting low and gradually building up.
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Thanks! Once I start up again I'll slowly work into it.
 
Sir Savage said:
I'm thinking SyntheSIZE + SuperCarb + WMS + AP = goddamn.

But let me check on YG and get back.
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ooooooooooooh, you said a curse word! I'm gonna go tell your momma......

unless you give me a tub of SyntheSIZE, SuperCarb, Dominate, MACA, and codename "pwnsauce" NOWWWWW!!! ;)
 
trust me yellow gold is golden..lol..i have yet to even try anabolic pump because of how well i have done with yellow gold..i was thinking of buying neovar but now i think i will try synthesize(should have bought it b4 but im a procastinator..lol)
 
Before I take a look at Yellow Gold, I have to ask, who makes it, and don't they have any kind of marketing people there??

I mean come on- Yellow Gold??

I think we'll rename Dominate to Neon Piss and M.A.N.A. to Brown Fudge.

J/k of course, y'all. Just a little supplement humor. ;)
 
Sir Savage said:
Before I take a look at Yellow Gold, I have to ask, who makes it, and don't they have any kind of marketing people there??

I mean come on- Yellow Gold??

I think we'll rename Dominate to Neon Piss and M.A.N.A. to Brown Fudge.

J/k of course, y'all. Just a little supplement humor. ;)
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Yellow Gold was the name for the beta bulk Anabolic Pump from USP.
 
Oh ok. Well if it's basically the same thing as AP, then I'd imagine it's stack very well with what I mentioned above, but I'll do a little more digging anyway.

BTW, rise, just as long as you don't tell Bobo, I'm good.
 
WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU USING CEE!?!?!?!? Get that **** outta there now!

"Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.

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Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. [email protected]

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) a “Buffered” creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (CreapureÒ). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.



I was at the ISSN conference when Mark Tallon presented these and I literally almost high fived him. It's about time this crap died!

-Layne" (Norton)



Come one guys... don't make me cry
 
Well the FDA dockets on CEE show that it's rapidly absorbed in the small intestine and dissociates into creatine completely within 10 minutes of ingestion. The max serum creatine levels are seen 30 minutes after ingestion, after which they slowly degrate into creatinine. So, this would mean that it's a viable creatine monohydrate alternative, especially for times when rapid creatine spikes are needed. Like say, post-workout.

A lot of people also get great results from it, myself included.

We don't think that study above is particularly relevant because CEE does not sit in the stomach at a pH of 1 for anywhere near 120 minutes, or even 30 minutes. As I mentioned, it is absorbed extremely fast in the small intestine.

That abstract is also misleading because they don't mention the FREE creatine levels from CEE products, only the starting CEE amounts and the creatinine levels after a given period of time. This gives the impression that it goes straight to creatinine with no usable creatine. We find this extremely hard to believe.

Ultimately, at this point, we think CEE has its place in a supplementation arsenal and so do many others, like Patrick Arnold.

Having said that, though, we are thinking of making an addition to SyntheSIZE final to "balance it out more", so to speak.
 
hey how long does a tub of the beta last? Might snatch up some while it is still there.

I am excited for he upcoming releases guys:woohoo:
 
I am getting ready to crack open my tub of SyntheSIZE, but for pre-wo should the meal be a solid or shake?

Currently I eat a solid meal between 5-5:30pm
7:00pm RPM
7:30pm pre-wo shake (Vendetta)
8:00pm workout - BCAA's + Poseidon

So, when would I benifit most from SyntheSIZE with my solid meal 3 hours pre-wo or with my shake .5 hour pre-wo?

Thanks
 
You could do either one, actually. You could take it with your shake until Dominate and MANA come out or you could just go ahead and take it with your meal.

Or, you could take it both times. And then, take the third dose after you workout.
 
Sir Savage said:
You could do either one, actually. You could take it with your shake until Dominate and MANA come out or you could just go ahead and take it with your meal.

Or, you could take it both times. And then, take the third dose after you workout.
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I like the latter option, and just in time, because it is time for my meal. Then I will take another scoop with my shake, and post-wo.

And Looking forward to trying out: Dominate and MANA.
 
So I mixed me up some SyntheSIZE. Not a bad flavor, but I ended up mixing a scoop of Xtend Grape, for an intance grape flavor...
 
xjsynx said:
I like the latter option, and just in time, because it is time for my meal. Then I will take another scoop with my shake, and post-wo.

And Looking forward to trying out: Dominate and MANA.
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SyntheSIZE + Dominate + MANA + SuperCarb = the ultimate pre-workout stack and anabolic mass stack.

No sh*t.

I'm pretty excited. In fact, I think I need to change my Depends.
 
sorry if this has been posted already, but when the final of Synthesize arrives, how different will the formula vary from the beta?
 
I'll let you know ASAP.

I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but I really shouldn't talk about that quite yet.
 
savage or anyone else...the tub says 3 scoops 3x and nutra's website says 2 scoops 3x, which one is it for the purple stuff that nutraplanet has right now? :wtf:

i know you answered this before, but I can't remember
 
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