Future cycle (need advice) - First time real gear

AlwaysHungry1 said:
Better than var in your opinion ?
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Different animal.
You wanna gain muscles, right? Var is for cutting.
T-Bol is like the small brother of D-bol. BUT: dry gains, mostly no sides, no conversion to estrogen , no bloat. Gives reasonable strength -and endurance. AND: less toxic
 
hairygrandpa said:
Different animal.
You wanna gain muscles, right? Var is for cutting.
T-Bol is like the small brother of D-bol. BUT: dry gains, mostly no sides, no conversation to estrogen , no bloat. Gives reasonable strength -and endurance. AND: less toxic
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That's sound awesome I'll definitely included on my spring cycle
 
AlwaysHungry1 said:
That's sound awesome I'll definitely included on my spring cycle
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Thing is:
First open your mind what you wanna do.
Bulk or cut. Then plan accordingly. T-bol and Anavar are hands down the best orals money can buy, if you think about safety and keepable results.
Anavar is more expensive but gives more strength gain, kicks in faster, gives more vascularity and helps with cutting.
Turinabol kicks in a bit later, gives good strength, some vascularity and builds lean muscle. Can be used for cutting or bulking, but is more a bulker.
 
Damn my source does not have t-bol...
There's D-bol but it seems pretty hardcore from what I read
 
Thegoodthebad said:
Damn my source does not have t-bol...
There's D-bol but it seems pretty hardcore from what I read
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Another awesome kick starter would be Trest. Go with the TD version and taper down.
You have to watch estrogen more.
 
If I had to chose between TD-Trest and D-bol, TD-Trest is the winner. Oral trest gave me gyno, be aware, the short HL somehow accelerates e-conversion.
 
I'll use both var and Tbol for lean bulk . I've heard trest aromatizes like crazy. Dbol it's awesome you gonna enjoy it . I also read for trest that it's harder to recover
 
AlwaysHungry1 said:
Proviron is on 25mg tablets I dose on 25 most people dose it on 50. You would see on the net that the var must be taken on 80-90mg a day but personally for me it did the job with only 20-30mg if it's you're first cycle I think 30mg is okay
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Shiiii, I know this was from first page but I just had to respond-
Everyone is so different! It is solely trial and error, on yourself. Don't take the plunge unless you're ready to be on trt forever. Bc that Could* be what happens. Though most can recover, some cannot/ don't know how.
As for dosage of proviron & var- pro, 25 tabs I split in half, half preworkout, half at dinner, if I feel I need it. Only half on off days (when I was running ****.) Var, 20g tabs could be split in half, half preworkout, half or whole before bed. But this is me and I've been such a responder that I've needed half the doses of others guys I lift with/ guys of equal strength and size (6', 200-230, pretty strong for gym rats).

So I guess my point is try something, and if I were you I'd try less and see if you can make gains. If you can, no need to go higher til you plateau.
Also, I'd add in alcar (acetyl l-carnitine) in pct esp but also durring cycle. Will help you create more androgen receptors and keep them "popping". Also may want to toss in some Hawthorne berry just to make sure your bp is decent.
As for estro control, I wouldn't do a damn thing until you Notice* something like gyno popping up. Otherwise you're lowering your ability to gain (estrogen Helps you gain muscle) and can low estro can lead to very bad vascular issues like atherosclerosis and many other things. I'd much rather run a cycle and have my estro up a bit and then lean out after cycle w calorie reduction and some dim and resveratol and things like that. Can also use those two on cycle. But I'd refrain from adex unless something pops up. Good luck.
Sure I'm forgetting some things but you have lots of good input, hopefully you get the point- your playing a game (somewhat dangerous) with your body and have to adjust accordingly to Your specific results. Be safe and good luck.
 
Updated cycle V3

Length: 10-12 weeks

Test C - 500mg/wk
D-bol 20mg/day (don't know how long I should run this)
Arimidex 0.25mg e2d or as needed (removed proviron because of money concerns, I can get enough of arimidex for 2 cycle for the same price)
Arimacare Pro by Olympus Labs
Wild Thing by Assault Labs
Krill oil
5-HTP

The PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Arimidex 0.25mg e2d or as needed
Super PCT by Olympus Labs
Krill oil
Wild Thing by Assault Labs
5-HTP
 
Thegoodthebad said:
Updated cycle V3

Length: 10-12 weeks

Test C - 500mg/wk
D-bol 20mg/day (don't know how long I should run this)
Arimidex 0.25mg e2d or as needed (removed proviron because of money concerns, I can get enough of arimidex for 2 cycle for the same price)
Arimacare Pro by Olympus Labs
Wild Thing by Assault Labs
Krill oil
5-HTP

The PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Arimidex 0.25mg e2d or as needed
Super PCT by Olympus Labs
Krill oil
Wild Thing by Assault Labs
5-HTP
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Look solid cycle bro keep dbol at 30 for 4 week also got some nolva in hand just in case you'll never know..
 
Well, the beginner cycle just turned into something more serious, LOL!
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Hell yeah. Way more serious than my 16 week of Test-E @ 600 p/week. I thought that was a great beginners cycle. Guess I was wrong. Lol
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All started with:
8-10 weeks 500mg test.
Now we are at:
10-12 weeks 500mg test/20-30mg D-bol for 4-6 weeks.

Hahaha!
It will end like that:
16 weeks 500mg test/30mg D-bol for 6 weeks, 600mg Mast/eod (because its awesome), HCG 1500iu e3d -and the last 3 weeks anavar 100mg/day to harden up.

LMAO!
 
hairygrandpa said:
All started with:
8-10 weeks 500mg test.
Now we are at:
10-12 weeks 500mg test/20-30mg D-bol for 4-6 weeks.

Hahaha!
It will end like that:
16 weeks 500mg test/30mg D-bol for 6 weeks, 600mg Mast/eod (because its awesome), HCG 1500iu e3d -and the last 3 weeks anavar 100mg/day to harden up.

LMAO!
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Don't forget about the IGF lr-3, and Somatropin. Lol
 
No joke, not long ago I was giving MILK !
Did everything correct, NPP with cabergoline AND inhibit-P.
Got milk anyway.My wife was disgusted, my cats liked it...
Since that, I go with less...
 
hairygrandpa said:
No joke, not long ago I was giving MILK !
Did everything correct, NPP with cabergoline AND inhibit-P.
Got milk anyway.My wife was disgusted, my cats liked it...
Since that, I go with less...
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Damn that sucks, but atleast the cats where happy.
 
Hahaha. HALP I GOT THE BITCH TITS
I'm still not convinced. It's an ongoing thread and I'm hoping for more suggestions.
D-bol is highly estrogenic from what I read so I might just stick with proviron and Test C, it seemed safer

As I said I'm not starting this just yet
 
Thegoodthebad said:
Hahaha. HALP I GOT THE BITCH TITS
I'm still not convinced. It's an ongoing thread and I'm hoping for more suggestions.
D-bol is highly estrogenic from what I read so I might just stick with proviron and Test C, it seemed safer

As I said I'm not starting this just yet
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What about the kick starter?

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hairygrandpa said:
What about the kick starter?

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Well the Test Prop from my source is quite expensive, T-bol isn't available and since I value my liver/kidneys a lot...
Proviron looks like the relatively safe choice. Some anti-estrogen proprieties and easy on the liver, but hard on the lipids(like all steroid from what I read so far)
I'll do some more research tomorrow and post another updated cycle and I'll see what you guys think about it.
 
Thegoodthebad said:
Well the Test Prop from my source is quite expensive, T-bol isn't available and since I value my liver/kidneys a lot...
Proviron looks like the relatively safe choice. Some anti-estrogen proprieties and easy on the liver, but hard on the lipids(like all steroid from what I read so far)
I'll do some more research tomorrow and post another updated cycle and I'll see what you guys think about it.
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Proviron isn't a kicker.
Maybe some winstrol ....

You can go with D-bol -but I would keep it to 20mg for 4 weeks. We don't know how you will respond, start low and see.
The good thing is D-bol's short HL. If you don't like your moonface anymore, just stop using it.

Ah, and get some Tudca for the oral.
 
As for blood pressure meds... I'd need to see a doctor for those
It was already hard enough to find a legit source that ships to canada lol
I think our customs are strict because canada is almost never in the list of countries they ship to

There's the OTC stuff, but I don't think they'll work to be honest
 
Thegoodthebad said:
As for blood pressure meds... I'd need to see a doctor for those
It was already hard enough to find a legit source that ships to canada lol
I think our customs are strict because canada is almost never in the list of countries they ship to

There's the OTC stuff, but I don't think they'll work to be honest
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Have a look:

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Interesting compound
Thanks for the info
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Nice. Never saw this one before. Good info
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If you can get it, use it.
It lowers only slightly BP at 80mg but ups metabolism and insulin sensitivity.
Have to take lisinopril with it to really make a difference on cycle.

Edit: Make sure you get only Telmisartan (Micardis) -not MICARDIS ANLO.
Anlo is a second compound, the combination does lower BP more effectively.
I don't use anlo, as it can make you retain water as a side effect.
 
If I was OP I would run this

Test e 500mg week 1-12
Anavar 20mg week 1-4
Proviron 50mg week 4-12
Anavar 20mg week 10-13
Lgd 8mg week 1-12
Hcg 500ui week 1-13
Ai as needed well I think there is no need on this cycle

And pct
Nolva 40-40-20-20
Clomid 50-50-25-25

Also use liv 52 on cycle and something for bp
 
If I was the OP, I would stick to just straight test since this is his first run, and see how he responds to it by itself. And save all that other shyt for another run later
 
AlwaysHungry1 said:
If I was OP I would run this

Test e 500mg week 1-12
Anavar 20mg week 1-4
Proviron 50mg week 4-12
Anavar 20mg week 10-13
Lgd 8mg week 1-12
Hcg 500ui week 1-13
Ai as needed well I think there is no need on this cycle

And pct
Nolva 40-40-20-20
Clomid 50-50-25-25

Also use liv 52 on cycle and something for bp
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Var should be run for 6 to 8 weeks. 4 weeks is really too short.

And Var can be highly anabolic if run properly. 20mg is to low to really see it shine.
I would run 30 to 50 if it is pharma grade var.
 
vujade said:
Var should be run for 6 to 8 weeks. 4 weeks is really too short.

And Var can be highly anabolic if run properly. 20mg is to low to really see it shine.
I would run 30 to 50 if it is pharma grade var.
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Idk brother me at 20 mg for kick start makes miracle but everybody is diefferent
 
AlwaysHungry1 said:
If I was OP I would run this

Test e 500mg week 1-12
Anavar 20mg week 1-4
Proviron 50mg week 4-12
Anavar 20mg week 10-13
Lgd 8mg week 1-12
Hcg 500ui week 1-13
Ai as needed well I think there is no need on this cycle

And pct
Nolva 40-40-20-20
Clomid 50-50-25-25

Also use liv 52 on cycle and something for bp
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Too many ingredients for a first cycle, IMHO.

Test prop as kicker -then test-c/e for 12 weeks.
or
T-bol as kicker
or
250mg test-c/e + 10mg LGD for 12 weeks

Would do it too. Keeping it simple = best.
 
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