Full recovery and quitting

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So, a quick note.

22 yrs old, been doing prohormones for 2 years or so. Did around 5-6 cycles (I quit 2 of those), did PCT every single time, but barely gave time to recover after it (usually around 2 weeks to a month after PCT was over).

Due to the fact I was using oral Msten only without test base or anything, libido was dead on each cycle, recovering follow the PCT. Never ever had same erections as I used to prior to starting the prohormones, could wank like 5 times daily before and prior to last cycle I could do like one time in two-three days.

I quit the last cycle without ending it, immediately starting into PCT. 4 days in I also dosed 2000ie HCG (looked up that Dr Scally, he recommends to do 2000ie eod HCG 10 times total, on top with 100mg clomid and 40g nolva daily).

Right now, my libido is totally dead in the PCT, my outline is also 40g nolva and 100g clomid every day dosed twice a day (50+50 and 20+20).

I feel like complete **** and I have no idea whether I should continue to dose HCG 2000 at least a few more times or leave it be, finish with my SERMs and then quit forever, I just really want my **** back.

I know I did dumb ****, I just need advice from people that might’ve experienced same (especially knowing that there are people who were cruising 3-5 yrs on test and ended up ok after power pct, without any trt).
 
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Blood labs. The whole thing, including SHBG, Estradiol, Test, LH, FSH, ALT, AST, Hematocrit. Without that = everything is a guess, like:
-E2 is high after all that HCG and rebound after clomid/nolva, explaining lack of libido.
-you also feel "off" due to clomids effect on a emotional level

If it was me -and I have no way to get labs, here what I would do (note, that is not an advise but to give you an idea how I tick):
Exemestane at 25mg eod for about 2-3 times (As soon as libido gets better, drop it again). After that I would use 25mg proviron/d for the rest of PCT. If I can't get proviron, I would use stinging nettle extract at a fairly high dosage (triple of what label says)Note: proviron = way better.
I also would drop nolva and pulse clomid eod at 25mg for about 2 more weeks (assuming you used nolva/clomid already for a few weeks). Eod was proven better for HPTA recovery than ED.
 

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Blood labs. The whole thing, including SHBG, Estradiol, Test, LH, FSH, ALT, AST, Hematocrit. Without that = everything is a guess, like:
-E2 is high after all that HCG and rebound after clomid/nolva, explaining lack of libido.
-you also feel "off" due to clomids effect on a emotional level

If it was me -and I have no way to get labs, here what I would do (note, that is not an advise but to give you an idea how I tick):
Exemestane at 25mg eod for about 2-3 times (As soon as libido gets better, drop it again). After that I would use 25mg proviron/d for the rest of PCT. If I can't get proviron, I would use stinging nettle extract at a fairly high dosage (triple of what label says)Note: proviron = way better.
I also would drop nolva and pulse clomid eod at 25mg for about 2 more weeks (assuming you used nolva/clomid already for a few weeks). Eod was proven better for HPTA recovery than ED.
should i just go and get my bloods during the pct right now or do i finish it and wait 3-4 wks?

also I have only done one injection of HCG 2000, not 10 as Scally mentions, since im only 5 days into the PCT - should I do those or keep that stuff away?
 
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Get bloods about 2 weeks after PCT. Lower clomid to 50mg day, as I think it may be responsible for feeling shitty. No HCG in PCT. Meanwhile get some exemestane for later, when you finish PCT. Try to get proviron and use during PCT at 25mg/d.
 

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Get bloods about 2 weeks after PCT. Lower clomid to 50mg day, as I think it may be responsible for feeling shitty. No HCG in PCT. Meanwhile get some exemestane for later, when you finish PCT. Try to get proviron and use during PCT at 25mg/d.
thanks a lot, last question cause i didnt get it - do i use exem right now for 2-3 times (as u mention in the first message) or only after pct for 2-3 times?

also provirons banned in russia so cant get that
 
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thanks a lot, last question cause i didnt get it - do i use exem right now for 2-3 times (as u mention in the first message) or only after pct for 2-3 times?

also provirons banned in russia so cant get that
Some use exem in PCT -others do not. When I was cycling, I used it only after dropping serms to prevent estrogen rebound.
Did you use aromatizing compounds in your cycle? If not, since you just started your PCT, no AI is needed. Estrogen should not be high, as your test is suppressed and can hardly convert to estrogen, right?
If you used a moderate/high dose of test -or anything that converts to e2, chance is your estrogen is high -but has nowhere to bind as nolva and clomid are occupying the receptors. Now that is where people still discuss if an AI is needed -or not. Try not to crash your estrogen. If unsure, take 12.5mg once or repeat after 3 days and stop. After PCT is over, take twice a week 12.5mg for 2 weeks to prevent rebound.
If you can't get proviron, use stinging nettle extract at about the triple recommended dosage, that should up free test by binding to SHBG = you may feel better.
 

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Some use exem in PCT -others do not. When I was cycling, I used it only after dropping serms to prevent estrogen rebound.
Did you use aromatizing compounds in your cycle? If not, since you just started your PCT, no AI is needed. Estrogen should not be high, as your test is suppressed and can hardly convert to estrogen, right?
If you used a moderate/high dose of test -or anything that converts to e2, chance is your estrogen is high -but has nowhere to bind as nolva and clomid are occupying the receptors. Now that is where people still discuss if an AI is needed -or not. Try not to crash your estrogen. If unsure, take 12.5mg once or repeat after 3 days and stop. After PCT is over, take twice a week 12.5mg for 2 weeks to prevent rebound.
If you can't get proviron, use stinging nettle extract at about the triple recommended dosage, that should up free test by binding to SHBG = you may feel better.
the stack i used has aromasin 3mg per pill, so yeah, and i used no test base with msten stacks ive ran for the last 2 years ever
 
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Ah, okay. DON'T use exem in PCT. I now suspect estrogen to be low, causing the sides.
-drop clomid to 50
-get stinging nettle extract and use as described for duration of PCT
-use exem AFTER PCT is over 3-4 times every 3 days
 
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Last week of PCT use clomid eod. Blood labs of users indicate it works better this way.
 

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Last week of PCT use clomid eod. Blood labs of users indicate it works better this way.
alright got it, thanks a lot

should I also run smth like testojack 200 as well during PCT, cant remember the last time ive had a huge sex drive (like a year and a half ago) and last 2 years were a real pain in the ass cause of constant depression and no recovery (note I never fully recovered during these 2 years over each of those 5-6 cycles, nor did I run a test base, so I was shutdown for a hella long time with recovering just a bit sometime, so i wonder if that thing is gonna do any better good)
 
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alright got it, thanks a lot

should I also run smth like testojack 200 as well during PCT, cant remember the last time ive had a huge sex drive (like a year and a half ago) and last 2 years were a real pain in the ass cause of constant depression and no recovery (note I never fully recovered during these 2 years over each of those 5-6 cycles, nor did I run a test base, so I was shutdown for a hella long time with recovering just a bit sometime, so i wonder if that thing is gonna do any better good)
Use test boosters as you like, see if it has some zinc in it, that would be needed. I would do PCT for 6 weeks, tapering down the last 2 weeks. No idea if you bounce back. If you never did a prolonged PCT, my guess is it will work. It more often does than not, your chances are good. See if you can source proviron on the black market, it would be of help mentally and libido wise.
 

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Wouldnt proviron suppress him and hinder recovery? I mean, i know it is minimally suppressive but still

op i would keep proviron just as alast resort when it comes to having sex, stacked with maybe cialis. Thag is my plan lol as i have just started pct, but i dont even plan on having sex for at least 4 weeks.
 

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