FULL BLOOD WORK PANEL, TRT DOC. SHOCKED AT MY LOW LEVELS.

[4johnybravo]

After being put on many high calorie diets for my sudden wieght loss from 125 to 110lbs, to rules out a high basil metabolic rate theory,and that i wasnt eating enouph my trt doctor had a full blood panel and said he was shocked at my low level. a month of high calories only made me gain 1 lbs... these diets were 5000 calories or more.

so my stats are
male
26 yrs old
111lbs
5.5
these test were taken on august 20th. Also had a full metabolic panel ran, and hepatic function "too much to type"


TOTAL TESTOSTERONE (result 277.0) optimal range 24-34yrs 777-1000 reference range 245.0-1000ng/dl

LH (result 2.900) reference range 0.800-7.600miu/ML

ESTRADIOL (result 20.0) optimal 25ng/ml reference range 13.0-50.0

SHBG (result 35.4) "HIGH" optimal male 17-25nmol/L reference range 17.0-25.0nmol/L

IGF-1 (result 143.0) "CRITICALY LOW" Optimum for a 40 yr old is 228-307ng/ml optimum for 70yr old is 159-223!

IGF-3 (result 0.5) "CRITICALY LOW" optimal range 4.5-5.5mg/L or reference range of 3.0-7.0mg/L

INSULIN (result 2.0) reference range 2.0-6.0uIU/mL

TOTAL T3 (result 98.5) optimal 100-180ng/dL reference range 90.0-200.0ng/dL

T3 Uptake (result 29.0) optimal 30% reference range 24-37%

FREE T3 (result 2.4) optimal 3.2-4.2pg/ml reference range 2.4-4.5pg/mL

FREE T4 (result 0.7) "LOW"optimum 1.2-1.5mcg/dL reference range 0.9-1.8MCG/dL

DHEA (result 164.0) optimum male 350-500ng/dl reference range 80.0-560.0mcg/dL

Cortisol (result 7.5 ) a.m. optimum is 6-10ug/dl or a reference range of 1.0-50.0

THS (result 1.1) optimum 0.1 - 2.0uiu/ml or a reference range of 0.4-4.0

PSA (result 4.25) "HIGH" reference range 00.0-4.0

assay of PROGESTERONE (result 1.5) reference range 0.9-2.9ng/ml

MICROCROSOMAL AntiBody (result 10.0) "CRITICALY LOW" optimal range 90 IU/ML reference range 0.0-677.0IU/ML

PROLACTIN (result 4.3) optimal range 2.1-5ng/ML reference range 2.1-17.7ng/ML

FSH (result 1.880) reference range 0.700-11.100 u/u/ml

HS-CRP (result 0.3) reference range 0.0-0.3mg/L

HEMOGLOBIN A1C (result 5.2%) reference range 4.2-5.8%

squam epi cells "trace amount slightly abnormal"

LIPIDS WITH LDL DIRECT (hdl normal)
(total cholesterol 206) "HIGH" 5-199mg/DL)
(ldl chol (direct measure 140) "HIGH" 10-129mg/dl)

TRIGLYCERIDES (result 64) reference range 10-149mg/dl

URIC ACID (result 6.6) reference range 3.2-7.0mg/dl

ALBUMIN (result 5.0) "HIGH" reference range 3.5-4.8gm/dl





SOOOOOOOOO, WITH all that said, he prescribed me some
test cypionate 125mg/0.3cc /week,.
25 arimidex 2xper week...
25mg dhea,
20 mcg t3,
40 mcg t4,
hcg 1000iu2x per week,
and the BIGGEST dissapointment of all...
SEMORALIN ACETATE.....30 unitsbefore bed...
bullSH%$T....
IT WORKED all of about 2 days, it barely felt like one unit of a cheap blue top hgh.
So i need help from anyone ANYONE to private message me or give ma an email to talk to for real hgh at a good price i cant afford a whole lot and i dont feel well, my friend let me try some hgh he had, a vial of it, then he passed in a car wreck, the hgh was like GOD, i fell asleep like a baby, woke up feeling like thier was water in my body and joints and muscles, i accually started to tear up and wanted to cry becuase my body needed it so bad. it feels like the missing hormoan,

i dont know why my body all the sudden gave out on me, i used to work out and gain size, only had to eat 3000 calories per day now i have to take hormaones for my body to fill my muscles, and i feel week, also, i used to get more filled out from CREATINE, but now no matter HOW many scoop of dextrose or vitargo i take, even 100 grams, post work out, i never seem to get that insulin spike like i used to, my musles used to feel like they would get filled up with water when i tookd creatine and now it passes right thrue me like im insulin resistant. but when i took that hgh, my whole body warmed up and felt almost like it used to, only for about 4 hrs then it slowly started to go away. but its like it increase insulin sensitivity or somthing.

SO what i mean to say is i think most my problems come from lack of growth hormaom, i also woke up the next morning with morning wood, which i hadnt had in years.

 

[The Matrix]

After being put on many high calorie diets for my sudden wieght loss from 125 to 110lbs, to rules out a high basil metabolic rate theory,and that i wasnt eating enouph my trt doctor had a full blood panel and said he was shocked at my low level. a month of high calories only made me gain 1 lbs... these diets were 5000 calories or more.

so my stats are
male
26 yrs old
111lbs
5.5
these test were taken on august 20th. Also had a full metabolic panel ran, and hepatic function "too much to type"


TOTAL TESTOSTERONE (result 277.0) optimal range 24-34yrs 777-1000 reference range 245.0-1000ng/dl

LH (result 2.900) reference range 0.800-7.600miu/ML

ESTRADIOL (result 20.0) optimal 25ng/ml reference range 13.0-50.0

SHBG (result 35.4) "HIGH" optimal male 17-25nmol/L reference range 17.0-25.0nmol/L

IGF-1 (result 143.0) "CRITICALY LOW" Optimum for a 40 yr old is 228-307ng/ml optimum for 70yr old is 159-223!

IGF-3 (result 0.5) "CRITICALY LOW" optimal range 4.5-5.5mg/L or reference range of 3.0-7.0mg/L

INSULIN (result 2.0) reference range 2.0-6.0uIU/mL

TOTAL T3 (result 98.5) optimal 100-180ng/dL reference range 90.0-200.0ng/dL

T3 Uptake (result 29.0) optimal 30% reference range 24-37%

FREE T3 (result 2.4) optimal 3.2-4.2pg/ml reference range 2.4-4.5pg/mL

FREE T4 (result 0.7) "LOW"optimum 1.2-1.5mcg/dL reference range 0.9-1.8MCG/dL

DHEA (result 164.0) optimum male 350-500ng/dl reference range 80.0-560.0mcg/dL

Cortisol (result 7.5 ) a.m. optimum is 6-10ug/dl or a reference range of 1.0-50.0

THS (result 1.1) optimum 0.1 - 2.0uiu/ml or a reference range of 0.4-4.0

PSA (result 4.25) "HIGH" reference range 00.0-4.0

assay of PROGESTERONE (result 1.5) reference range 0.9-2.9ng/ml

MICROCROSOMAL AntiBody (result 10.0) "CRITICALY LOW" optimal range 90 IU/ML reference range 0.0-677.0IU/ML

PROLACTIN (result 4.3) optimal range 2.1-5ng/ML reference range 2.1-17.7ng/ML

FSH (result 1.880) reference range 0.700-11.100 u/u/ml

HS-CRP (result 0.3) reference range 0.0-0.3mg/L

HEMOGLOBIN A1C (result 5.2%) reference range 4.2-5.8%

squam epi cells "trace amount slightly abnormal"

LIPIDS WITH LDL DIRECT (hdl normal)
(total cholesterol 206) "HIGH" 5-199mg/DL)
(ldl chol (direct measure 140) "HIGH" 10-129mg/dl)

TRIGLYCERIDES (result 64) reference range 10-149mg/dl

URIC ACID (result 6.6) reference range 3.2-7.0mg/dl

ALBUMIN (result 5.0) "HIGH" reference range 3.5-4.8gm/dl





SOOOOOOOOO, WITH all that said, he prescribed me some
test cypionate 125mg/0.3cc /week,.
25 arimidex 2xper week...
25mg dhea,
20 mcg t3,
40 mcg t4,
hcg 1000iu2x per week,
and the BIGGEST dissapointment of all...
SEMORALIN ACETATE.....30 unitsbefore bed...
bullSH%$T....
IT WORKED all of about 2 days, it barely felt like one unit of a cheap blue top hgh.
So i need help from anyone ANYONE to private message me or give ma an email to talk to for real hgh at a good price i cant afford a whole lot and i dont feel well, my friend let me try some hgh he had, a vial of it, then he passed in a car wreck, the hgh was like GOD, i fell asleep like a baby, woke up feeling like thier was water in my body and joints and muscles, i accually started to tear up and wanted to cry becuase my body needed it so bad. it feels like the missing hormoan,

i dont know why my body all the sudden gave out on me, i used to work out and gain size, only had to eat 3000 calories per day now i have to take hormaones for my body to fill my muscles, and i feel week, also, i used to get more filled out from CREATINE, but now no matter HOW many scoop of dextrose or vitargo i take, even 100 grams, post work out, i never seem to get that insulin spike like i used to, my musles used to feel like they would get filled up with water when i tookd creatine and now it passes right thrue me like im insulin resistant. but when i took that hgh, my whole body warmed up and felt almost like it used to, only for about 4 hrs then it slowly started to go away. but its like it increase insulin sensitivity or somthing.

SO what i mean to say is i think most my problems come from lack of growth hormaom, i also woke up the next morning with morning wood, which i hadnt had in years.

One word
Malabsorption-----Going on testosterone is fine for now, but I would be looking into the gut for imbalances. I deal with these cases on a weekly basis and using HRT is fine to help the body repair, but its only a bandaid effect. This Dr is really putting you through the ringer with way to much crap at one time. IMO all this stuff is a huge bandaid effect. I can tell you from my experience with an accuracy rate of >60-70% you have intestinal issues not hormone issues. The hormone issues are just a symptoms of the cause. I would be very cautious of taking every thing because he never gave you a reason why. TRT but GHRT and the kitchen sink is not appropiate at now. Honestly this dr better go back and read up on TRT and other issues because he is putting your body at huge risk IMO ...


BTW stop playing the range game because every ones optimal level is different. I have guys optimal testosterone levels at 500 and are strong then guys on steroids cycles.

 

[4johnybravo]

ok,since ive been on his trt/hrt protocal "THE MATRIX" IVE not felt worth it enouph to keep waisting my money honestly, i gave it up last week. and called and told the doctor. i will say you have something going with the whole gut thing. i remember when i weighed more, i used to eat something, and i would feel my stomach breaking it down, and then id feel it go thrue my body and out to my muscles, now, its kinda like i just eat somthing and nothing happens. i dont even "FEEL" my guts anymore like i used to. ghrt what is that? what hormaons make up gut hormaone replacment therapy? or is that the acronym? im so sick of feeling numb and thin im willing to try anything new at this point,

when i lost all the wieght instantly, and suddenly, i was just living a normal life id wake up and be really hungry and eat a breakfast and by lunch i was starving, id eat and feel like i got nutrients from my meal. then i wanted to start wieght lifting again so i bought an unusual amount of suppliments, like beef liver dessicant, a butload of vitamin powders, protien powders, and just started downing them, i started gaining wight, it was great was not that skinny guy anymore.. My face started to get puffy and the girls said i looked cuter and not as boney. so, i just started eating like crazy and drinking allota protien shakes, rediculouse amounts of amino acids and such, and BAM... something inside me shut down instantly.... i couldnt think, head went fuzzy, appetite went away, guts felt numb,then couldnt feel them at all. couldnt sleep, got so depressed over how i felt so thin all the sudden and knowing i just messed somthing up i became morbidly depressed. but my dad begged me to eat anyways so i did under his care and moved in with him. then i went to a doctor in springfield il, he said my hormaones were low but would treat me for anything, then the trt doctor which my family suggested to me put me on trt/hrt and i gained 1/12 pounds of water, but, my mucles, brain, guts nuthing ever feels like it did before i started massive dosing all those powders. and creatine wont go to my muslce, i have no feeling of muscle glycogen reserves or nitrogen retention.

 

[bigdavid]

How fast was this weight loss? You should probably see a gastroenterologist an upper GI endoscopy might shed some light on the issue.

 

[The Matrix]

How fast was this weight loss? You should probably see a gastroenterologist an upper GI endoscopy might shed some light on the issue.

gi Dr waste of time.hit.me.up. I.will.nail.this biatch to.the wall real fast. I deal with these cases on weekly.basis.

 

[4johnybravo]

The weight loss happend within a day and a half. My skin aged quit a bit and my hair became more thin a brittle, It started falling out easier , thoe I'm by no means going bald. I couldn't believe my naturally oily nice wet tanned skin started wrinkling when I got in the sun for a long time. Now age is showing around my eyes and my face is more narrow an not Plump. I don't even wanna bodybuild ever again I'm afraid I'll screw up badly like this problem I just wanna gain a healthy looking wieght and live life.

 

[The Matrix]

The weight loss happend within a day and a half. My skin aged quit a bit and my hair became more thin a brittle, It started falling out easier , thoe I'm by no means going bald. I couldn't believe my naturally oily nice wet tanned skin started wrinkling when I got in the sun for a long time. Now age is showing around my eyes and my face is more narrow an not Plump. I don't even wanna bodybuild ever again I'm afraid I'll screw up badly like this problem I just wanna gain a healthy looking wieght and live life.

Being a national level bodybuilder almost killed me because of over training, imbalanced but super healthy diet. Left me bed ridden for 6 months and losing 100 lbs of muscle in less 9 months despite no mental issues, or anything out of the ordinary. My digestion was getting worse went to for GI specialist what a waste of of time and money, to be put on SSRI, which I never took in the first place. I know the GI tract and know it very well since I have been designing protocols and making recommendations for MD, ND, ect for several years now. Since I have been through these issues are a personal levels, and have been under working with medical professionals in helping resolve these issues for quite some time. I know when it is obvious. In this case, HRT may be doing more damage then good by causing more adrenal issues which is causing more complications.

 

[bigdavid]

Being a national level bodybuilder almost killed me because of over training, imbalanced but super healthy diet. Left me bed ridden for 6 months and losing 100 lbs of muscle in less 9 months despite no mental issues, or anything out of the ordinary. My digestion was getting worse went to for GI specialist what a waste of of time and money, to be put on SSRI, which I never took in the first place. I know the GI tract and know it very well since I have been designing protocols and making recommendations for MD, ND, ect for several years now. Since I have been through these issues are a personal levels, and have been under working with medical professionals in helping resolve these issues for quite some time. I know when it is obvious. In this case, HRT may be doing more damage then good by causing more adrenal issues which is causing more complications.

You post a lot from what I've seen regarding "gut imbalances" I am assuming this is your area of work. Do you have any websites/sources that I could read up on the type of treatments you perform? I am curious I have been working on some research regarding microbiota and their implication on GI health and this is an area I like to read up on.

 

[The Matrix]

You post a lot from what I've seen regarding "gut imbalances" I am assuming this is your area of work. Do you have any websites/sources that I could read up on the type of treatments you perform? I am curious I have been working on some research regarding microbiota and their implication on GI health and this is an area I like to read up on.

The Gi tract is just part of the equation, but its the first area I tend to focus on. Since the GI tract houses majority of our immune system as well of our neurotransmitters are produced there. If we take in food is one thing, if we absorb it is another thing. Many people are finding out that hormones are just a piece of the puzzle, I say about 30% of the equation. Ask your self, How many people do you read on the boards have optimal hormones and are still having issues? I get a lot of inquiries from people who are going to medical professionals focusing on a specialized area which may help some people, but in effect for younger guys just may be a temporary bandaid to deeper issues. I can not tell you how many people have been to numerous medical professionals which are just looking at symptoms not at the root cause. They start on some kind of specialize treatment, but do not complement other areas of the person's health to get the best overall effect. Many guys on others boards, has been tried all kinds of hormones manipulations, but could not get the desired effect. I got mocked on other boards because I think out side of the box of just hormones, now people are wishing they would have listen what I suggested to them years ago about looking into hidden GI imbalances, as well as neuorotransmitters. I do not perform treatments, but just educate medical professionals with the lastest cutting edge information from only the most well respected names in the business. I had MD who wanted me to design a protocol for him and use that as a model. I talked him out of it because what I support is individualized medical care not cookie cutter methods which many antiaging clinics and other medical professionals. One person I was working was impressed with the valuable information I presented he is going to see if he can get me in at one of the most well respected clinics in the USA. People from all over the world there to be patients . The clinic is back logged to new patients up to 6 months waiting list. The guy has been a patient there for over 15 years dealing with CFS, and lyme disease. I could help to talk a little slack off their hands to make them much more proficient. I would still be working under neath the MD just doing the research helping with protocols and further testing.

As for the gut there are really no cookie cutter methods, but information you requested look up dysbiosis , pathogenic bacteria and you will get a plethora of information. The future of immune system and neurotransmitter manipulation will be GI mapping for specific microbiota. For crohns and other IBD's there is actually fecal implants being done now which very successful.

 

[bigdavid]

The Gi tract is just part of the equation, but its the first area I tend to focus on. Since the GI tract houses majority of our immune system as well of our neurotransmitters are produced there. If we take in food is one thing, if we absorb it is another thing. Many people are finding out that hormones are just a piece of the puzzle, I say about 30% of the equation. Ask your self, How many people do you read on the boards have optimal hormones and are still having issues? I get a lot of inquiries from people who are going to medical professionals focusing on a specialized area which may help some people, but in effect for younger guys just may be a temporary bandaid to deeper issues. I can not tell you how many people have been to numerous medical professionals which are just looking at symptoms not at the root cause. They start on some kind of specialize treatment, but do not complement other areas of the person's health to get the best overall effect. Many guys on others boards, has been tried all kinds of hormones manipulations, but could not get the desired effect. I got mocked on other boards because I think out side of the box of just hormones, now people are wishing they would have listen what I suggested to them years ago about looking into hidden GI imbalances, as well as neuorotransmitters. I do not perform treatments, but just educate medical professionals with the lastest cutting edge information from only the most well respected names in the business. I had MD who wanted me to design a protocol for him and use that as a model. I talked him out of it because what I support is individualized medical care not cookie cutter methods which many antiaging clinics and other medical professionals. One person I was working was impressed with the valuable information I presented he is going to see if he can get me in at one of the most well respected clinics in the USA. People from all over the world there to be patients . The clinic is back logged to new patients up to 6 months waiting list. The guy has been a patient there for over 15 years dealing with CFS, and lyme disease. I could help to talk a little slack off their hands to make them much more proficient. I would still be working under neath the MD just doing the research helping with protocols and further testing.

As for the gut there are really no cookie cutter methods, but information you requested look up dysbiosis , pathogenic bacteria and you will get a plethora of information. The future of immune system and neurotransmitter manipulation will be GI mapping for specific microbiota. For crohns and other IBD's there is actually fecal implants being done now which very successful.

I understand the role you would have as a consultant and advisor to MDs providing treatment plans. That is a very important role it is amazing how much we are learning about microbiota in the gut and I agree with you the potential benefit it can have to future health once we understand more the relationship different stains of microbiota have on our overall health. Trying to manipulate the microorganisms in our gut is a very new area of medicine from what I understand but with time I'm sure it will become an integral part of treatment.

 

[The Matrix]

I understand the role you would have as a consultant and advisor to MDs providing treatment plans. That is a very important role it is amazing how much we are learning about microbiota in the gut and I agree with you the potential benefit it can have to future health once we understand more the relationship different stains of microbiota have on our overall health. Trying to manipulate the microorganisms in our gut is a very new area of medicine from what I understand but with time I'm sure it will become an integral part of treatment.

Alot of functional medicine Drs are implementing it with great success. With this approach I have been able to help people reduce un needed antiestrogens, testosterone, and HC. I am also using healing the GI tract in dealing with type 2 diabetes. Since carbs may not be broken down properly due to intestinal dysbiosis, this may cause insulin disfunction and alterations in blood sugar. Blood sugars may also be altered by the metabolic waste of endogenous pathogenic bacteria. Many people I have encounters are walking brewers because of candidas nasty by products al acetyl aldehydes which is even more toxic then wood grain alcohol. In this cases I tend to approach them from an autistic stand point since they have basically the same chemistry. I have been getting great results in peoples symptoms when taking an integrative approach. Again I am not a DR, but just a valuable research and resource tool for other medical professionals.

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