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fu**king newbs stop saying no to serms

jay21 said:
2 ppl r saying epi sux. accept it. it sux. mass fx gives massive strength gaisn and pumps while epi dose nothing besides lean out..... alittle. in my opinion. and if u wanna use ph might as well use some that will give results. if ur scared of the sides well then stay away from ph and go with massfx and hdx2 or some other t-boosters

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epistane isn't a PH
 
yeah this went all out of hand here.This thread has been nothing but arguements and we need start helping one another here because this aint getting anyone anywhere.Thats all I have to say.
 
yah epi isnt a ph that for sure! ppl claim it to be. and no we cant get along lolll this is turingout to becpome a royal rubmle

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btw any1 know if it is ok to mix pp and pheramax. i have both and the chemical names are the same except pm is 15mg while pp is 10mg. and id like to up the dose w.o. having to buy another bottle. btw how good is generics labs? and again is it kk to mix these?

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they are the same...is fine to mix....man i wish i would have caught this thread earlier...i LOVE to argue.....im on the side of the serm people....they just arent arguing well enough....some one flame me quick...i wanna get in on this...
 
mooch2321 said:
they are the same...is fine to mix....man i wish i would have caught this thread earlier...i LOVE to argue.....im on the side of the serm people....they just arent arguing well enough....some one flame me quick...i wanna get in on this...
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mooch you puss! why dont you learn something for a change and get your head out of your ass!

Did that get you flamed? :-)
 
faceman35 said:
mooch you puss! why dont you learn something for a change and get your head out of your ass!

Did that get you flamed? :-)
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dammnit...that not good enough....ask me to describe how a serm effects your body....i can do that....no better yet ask me what hcg stands for and then... what needle size should you use for your clomid? i can answer all that....
 
mooch2321 said:
dammnit...that not good enough....ask me to describe how a serm effects your body....i can do that....no better yet ask me what hcg stands for and then... what needle size should you use for your clomid? i can answer all that....
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dude your hilarious.
 
dude...im not trying to be funny...this is a serious issue....go ahead ask me somethin....i dare ya

edit: make that a double dare.....
 
Mu5tang69 said:
i wud not advise sumthing if i didnt know why.
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You already did.

if i was selling creatine i wud just say it help with recovering and strenght which in turn helps u make bigger muscles
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But how? It's the same principle...and that's exactly what a noob GNC employee would say.

If you said that to someone, and they bought it simply off of that explanation...they obviously deserve to get ripped off.

but i wud def not tell the customer any bs by saying u wud get huge in 7 days, thats no fair to accuse me of doing that
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It was an example, and you gave me an even better one. You would give a vague explanation of what it may do, without knowing any regards as to how.

To me...offering a suggestion without an explanation is useless.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
i knew to use a serm to wake ur balls up (w/ a little background on how)
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You didn't demonstrate this at all. You just claimed it was to "wake up ur balls." The only "how" you provided was a quick Google copy/paste.

thats all i needed to know & that was my input.
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Your input was worthless because you couldn't explain why it did what you claimed it did. You had just been told that by someone else, or had read it on here that it's why it's used, and just assumed it was correct. In other words...you HAVE NOT done your research, or you just prefer to make statements and not back them up and look like a fool.

to demean me by not being able to talk like a chemist was'nt cool
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They asked for a simple explanation. Nobody was looking for you to "talk like a chemist."
 
mooch2321 said:
dude...im not trying to be funny...this is a serious issue....go ahead ask me somethin....i dare ya

edit: make that a double dare.....
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If you did a cycle of superdrol, and after cycle bloodwork showed you were only very slightly suppressed, you still going to put a serm in your pct?
 
hey mooch joing the royal rumble. btw what do u think of the company that makes pheramax? generic labz i belive. is it good. or bunk

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Can anyone please try to explain what a SERM does at the chemical level? All the way down that they feel comfortable enough to tell whoever comes to this site how to go on and off steroids? Probably not, so stop bashing people for what they do know. And if any of you can, please point me to the place you started any research past, fill the estrogen receptors with a false molecule so estrogren can't exert it's effect on the body, while an AI simply erradicates the aromatase enzyme that converts test to estrogen. Because from what I've researched, their use in conjuction is better at keeping estrogen down while people attempt to skyrocket their natty test, than either on its own. I've been trying to get beyond this for a long time, help please.
 
SO ITS ME POLLARDMANIA IM THE GUY THAT JUST RAN A 10 WEEKS OF H-DROL, 19NOR TREN AND SUPERDROL - NO SERM IS BEING USED AND ITS MY LAST DAY ON CYCLE - YES U NEED TO USE THEM BUT I AM DIFFERNET! -

I HAVE DONE DBOL, WINNI, M1T, H-DROL, SUPERDROL, ANDRO, 1ALPHA, MDROL AND NOW THIS CYCLE AND HAVE NEVER USED A SERM BUT I DO THINGS A LOT DIFFERNT THAN MOST PEOPLE AND HIT THE WEIGHTS A LOT HARDER THAN MOST PEOPLE!!
WITH NO SERM BEFORE AND YES U LOOSE WEIGHT BUT I HAVE ALSO KEPT A LOT OF IT - IM TRYING TO GET THE VIDEO UP SOON!! IT WILL BE ON THE OLD THREAD -

"DIE BIG ....DIE YOUNG....DIANABOL"
 
Stallion83 said:
yeah I wanan make sure my grapefruitsa are there. I think really whatever your taking to really really read up and study it. For example we know if you do superdrol or m1t yes many things will be neccesary. Now lets take those high school musical fags and that kelly hoe that don't know **** about tren. Some ppl dont know some are methylized and what it will do to liver. Some thinks its ok to do m1t or superdrol and go to a party to get drunk yeah ok wtf ever! Yeah I think depending on what your taking I suggest maybe studying more about it for side effects and what to expect instead of diving into something like that faggot said he thought tren was a protein yeah wtf ever kid.
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james1 said:
If you did a cycle of superdrol, and after cycle bloodwork showed you were only very slightly suppressed, you still going to put a serm in your pct?
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allright somebody manned up....first off id like to say that bloodwork is for losers....that being said....if someone were to get post cycle/pre-pct blood work done(which not many do because its a dead giveaway to your doctor that your on steroids and he has to report that to the insurance company which will hold that as a pre-existing condition and not cover for anything ever agian) and their test levels were only slightly suppressed than i would say they got bunk superdrol...its usually pretty suppressive....but in that extraordinary circumstance then nah...i wouldnt recomend a serm....what we need to realize is there is a personal choice here...no one is right....someone should make a sticky about the pros and cons of serms and exactly what each one does and how they work so our newer guys, i hate the term newb...so derogitory, can make an educated decision on their own....
 
mooch2321 said:
allright somebody manned up....first off id like to say that bloodwork is for losers....that being said....if someone were to get post cycle/pre-pct blood work done(which not many do because its a dead giveaway to your doctor that your on steroids and he has to report that to the insurance company which will hold that as a pre-existing condition and not cover for anything ever agian) and their test levels were only slightly suppressed than i would say they got bunk superdrol...its usually pretty suppressive....but in that extraordinary circumstance then nah...i wouldnt recomend a serm....what we need to realize is there is a personal choice here...no one is right....someone should make a sticky about the pros and cons of serms and exactly what each one does and how they work so our newer guys, i hate the term newb...so derogitory, can make an educated decision on their own....
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Well I do agree, there is no right and wrong, just educate everyone and let them make there own educated opinion on their own circumstances. But people should not be advertising serms to everyone likes its their job. For all they know their recommending a serm to a new ph user who 1. may not need the serm, and may be introducing a research chemical into their body for an un-needed reason. and 2. for all you know the new ph user you just told to use nolva/clomid is allergic to the compound, or will potentially have a bad reaction. Educate your self, intelligently plan your cycles, be ready for the unexpected, and have everything you need on hand.
 
question though, for the most part i know every steroid, whether a PH or AAS needs a serm for pct BUT what is all this talk about that product the one discouraging the use of SERMS??? I know alot about pct, serms, gear but i do not know since the product is fairly new what to do for my pct regiment...I have nolva and access to clomid if neccesary but is it safe enough to just use AI cycle and post cycle support along with the 2nd gear they sell along with THE ONE??? please any feedback would be great because initially for all gear i thought serm was neccesary but this product is confusing me!!!
 
ive been reading these forums for a couple of years to figure out if i would need a serm or not if i did a ds - i dont have a definate answer

my advice is not to take any one particular view as the truth. when i first started reading everyone seemed so knowledgable but after a while you notice a lot of people just repeat the same old stuff

for every person that says you need a serm for a cycle of drol theres one that says different

you need to do your own research so you can be comfortable in what you do also bloodwork seems like a good idea
 
SWOLL said:
question though, for the most part i know every steroid, whether a PH or AAS needs a serm for pct BUT what is all this talk about that product the one discouraging the use of SERMS??? I know alot about pct, serms, gear but i do not know since the product is fairly new what to do for my pct regiment...I have nolva and access to clomid if neccesary but is it safe enough to just use AI cycle and post cycle support along with the 2nd gear they sell along with THE ONE??? please any feedback would be great because initially for all gear i thought serm was neccesary but this product is confusing me!!!
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The company doesn't discourage it per say, just cannot recommend it, because it is an illegal research chemical. They say an otc PCT is more then enough to recover nicely from "the one". It's up too you really, if you think its needed when the time comes, try a 20/20/20/20 with the nolva. If your cycle is done and you don't feel you need it, save it for something more suppressive.
 
if we bring allergic reactions into this....they could just a easily be allergic to anything otc for pct....the onus on that one will be on the individual user...i cant worry about someone elses allergies....
 
mooch2321 said:
if we bring allergic reactions into this....they could just a easily be allergic to anything otc for pct....the onus on that one will be on the individual user...i cant worry about someone elses allergies....
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Yea its true, this is no end to this argument. If its needed its needed, if its not its not.
 
Stallion83 said:
yeah this went all out of hand here.This thread has been nothing but arguements and we need start helping one another here because this aint getting anyone anywhere.Thats all I have to say.
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Yeah! Help us out Bro! What help can you share with us...:arms:
 
jay21 said:
gettin access happens through time and connections and learning how to use it. that why ppl can ask for help no1 will flame them i started this threat mainly becuasein past day i seen 3 threats were newbs are tellin ppl 'pp ahh naw u dont need nolva for that'' etc etc. BS yah serms are recommend highly on all ph and ds. bak in the days there were no serms but the bbl were smart. they pulsed like dr.d. explained or they would pyramid to try and help the massive shutdown. but now-a-days u wont meet ppl who do that. thats why serms are highly recommend yah u Will recover w.o. them but like mentioned earlier it can take upto 6months maybe even longer. and theres a thing also called gyno....... so yah

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WTF language do you speak? REALLY is it English or Spanglish or what? You need to STOP posting!!!
 
indianballer said:
Can anyone please try to explain what a SERM does at the chemical level? All the way down that they feel comfortable enough to tell whoever comes to this site how to go on and off steroids? Probably not, so stop bashing people for what they do know. And if any of you can, please point me to the place you started any research past, fill the estrogen receptors with a false molecule so estrogren can't exert it's effect on the body, while an AI simply erradicates the aromatase enzyme that converts test to estrogen. Because from what I've researched, their use in conjuction is better at keeping estrogen down while people attempt to skyrocket their natty test, than either on its own. I've been trying to get beyond this for a long time, help please.
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SWOLL said:
question though, for the most part i know every steroid, whether a PH or AAS needs a serm for pct BUT what is all this talk about that product the one discouraging the use of SERMS??? I know alot about pct, serms, gear but i do not know since the product is fairly new what to do for my pct regiment...I have nolva and access to clomid if neccesary but is it safe enough to just use AI cycle and post cycle support along with the 2nd gear they sell along with THE ONE??? please any feedback would be great because initially for all gear i thought serm was neccesary but this product is confusing me!!!
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What are you talking about? I does not matter what NEW product comes out, if it inhibits your HPTA then you need to restore you HPTA. Think for yourself.
 
snakeyb said:
ive been reading these forums for a couple of years to figure out if i would need a serm or not if i did a ds - i dont have a definate answer

my advice is not to take any one particular view as the truth. when i first started reading everyone seemed so knowledgable but after a while you notice a lot of people just repeat the same old stuff

for every person that says you need a serm for a cycle of drol theres one that says different

you need to do your own research so you can be comfortable in what you do also bloodwork seems like a good idea
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The same DS manufactures who produced legal DS have tried to capture the same market with legal PCT. They produce a legal steroid alternative (for the time being) that is profitable and then they produce a legal PCT alternative (for the time being) that is profitable. In the last several years you new guys have no clue what the scoop is because you have been mislead by the unscrupulous manufactures of legal alternative. Steroids are illegal for a reason.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
this is totally unacceptable making reference is not will not cut it. shame on u!
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Are we supposed to be born with this knowledge? Got to learn it somewhere. Internet article with references or text book with references...I could care less, the information is the same, with a slight subjective view on most internet articles. I find this the most acceptable post in this thread.
 
We American English speakers are envious as we barely speak English well. Seriously immigrants humble me.

Pick one and provide English subtitles :D
 
deadikated said:
You already did.



But how? It's the same principle...and that's exactly what a noob GNC employee would say.

If you said that to someone, and they bought it simply off of that explanation...they obviously deserve to get ripped off.



It was an example, and you gave me an even better one. You would give a vague explanation of what it may do, without knowing any regards as to how.

To me...offering a suggestion without an explanation is useless.
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hey fag.... i said it wakes ur balls up what else do i need to fuking say!?! r u stupid?!?

when i visit the doctor for medication my doc doesnt geek out with me with bs, & i especially dont see why u wud need to for fukin creatine u homo. it helps recovery & strength which help build bigger muscles. do i giv a sh1t what happens chemically i wana smash fukin weight geek

i offered a suggestion and pointed to the right direction thats the way it shud be, so u can educate urself & btw i did give a explanation its restarts ur LH & test production after a cycle & it blocks estrogen. which i knew prior to this thread and yes sumone told me & researched myself how the fuk am i suppose to fine out.

if u want a elaborate answer like a chemist go fukin ask one. ur not guna get one from me geek. im just a simple guy that @least know what not to do & what to do & likes to smash weights. i dont giv a fuk geek
 
I can understand being ignorant, but why not learn the info to help you build more muscle? I, like you, admit ignorance, but I follow the links the guys who know their **** post, and I re-read every sentence until I understand, I don't call it unacceptable. WTF?
 
Mu5tang69 said:
hey fag.... i said it wake ur balls up what else do i need to fuking say!?! r u stupid?!?

when i visit the doctor for medication my doc doesnt geek out with me with bs, & i especially i dont see why u wud need to for fukin creatine u homo. it helps recovery & strength which help build bigger muscles. do i giv a **** what happens chemically i wana smash fukin weight geek

i offered a suggestion and pointed to the right direction that the way it shud be, so u can educate urself & btw i did give a explanation its restarts ur LH & test production after a cycle & it blocks estrogen. if u want a elaborate answer like a chemist go fukin ask one. ur not guna get one from me geek. im just a simple guy that @least know what not to do & what to do & likes to smash weights. i dont giv a fuk geek
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Hey Pal, When you speak like that NO ONE is going to listen to you. You're dialogue is unacceptable.

If you don't have the capacity to communicate politely or intelligently it IS OK to STFU!
 
Mu5tang69 said:
hey fag.... i said it wake ur balls up what else do i need to fuking say!?! r u stupid?!?
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lol at you getting ridiculously defensive.

yeah you said it "wakes up your balls." But what the ****? That statement isn't worth ****. Any intelligent person on here who doesn't know what it is for is not going to simply be content with "it wakes up ur balls." They should want to know what they're taking and why. That why should extend a little bit beyond "it wakes ur balls up." lol

when i visit the doctor for medication my doc doesnt geek out with me with bs, & i especially i dont see why u wud need to for fukin creatine u homo. it helps recovery & strength which help build bigger muscles. do i giv a **** what happens chemically i wana smash fukin weight geek
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You can say that about anything. If you can't explain why, then obviously you're bullshitting. Again, if muscletech comes out with capped dogshit telling you it aids recovery and helps you build bigger muscles, you gonna down that stuff too? Or are you going to your homework to find out HOW it actually does what they say it does?

i offered a suggestion and pointed to the right direction that the way it shud be, so u can educate urself & btw i did give a explanation its restarts ur LH & test production after a cycle & it blocks estrogen. if u want a elaborate answer like a chemist go fukin ask one.
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You copy/pasted after you got called out. Basically means you had no idea how it did what it did before someone inspired you to go searching for it.

ur not guna get one from me geek.
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Geek? Why? Because I like knowing what I'm putting in my body and why? Because I like to know the answer when someone asks me a question I'm a geek? Okay...that's cool.

:rolleyes:

im just a simple guy
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fixed. Ur simple. And that's not a compliment.
 
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