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Did a HI Tech Pharm stack ( 1 Test and Winstrol) for 4 weeks, on PCT right now.

Question, going from this to something like Test E/Anavar, would the wait time in between be longer/shorter then going from gear cycle to gear cycle?

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Did a HI Tech Pharm stack ( 1 Test and Winstrol) for 4 weeks, on PCT right now.

Question, going from this to something like Test E/Anavar, would the wait time in between be longer/shorter then going from gear cycle to gear cycle?

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It's all gear, even the OTC prohormones.

How long you wait is up to you. That whole time on + time off thing is stupid because it's a total guess. If your not doing any bloodwork tho then time on plus pct = time off is your best guess, but it's still a guess. Typically when you come off a cycle you want to wait till your hormones normalize and your health markers are back in range. But just because your health markers went back in range for a day or two does not mean you're healthy, now you wanna spend some time actually being healthy.

If your running more then 2 cycles a year then your probably spending more time unhealthy then you are healthy.

The exception here is typically testosterone. Most ppl can use moderate dosage 250-500mg testosterone for very long periods of time without negative health impacts. So start your cycle with testosterone (not orals) then when you decide your coming twords the end, now add your oral for 4-6 weeks to finish up the cycle. If you start the orals in the beginning now the whole remainder of your cycle is going to have crappy health markers
 
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Also, are you doing a real PCT (clomid or nolva) or are you taking some crap over the counter pct. Because if your doing a OTC PCT it's probably not going to recover you anyway and you could probably just hop on 300ish mg of testosterone now and ride that out for the next 12 weeks, just stay off the var during that time
 

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Yesh, it was an OTC PCT (Hi Tech Arimidex)
 

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Ya, that's notva pct, not even close.

Well the stuff that I took that is making me pct is "HI Tech Winstrol" not the actual Winstrol....wasn't sure if this still had the same break before next cycle as real gear.
 
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What is winstrol Hi Tech exactly? I mean I know they use gear names for there stuff But what is in it.
 
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Assuming your not going to be getting blood work and don't have clomid or nolva I would probably tell someone in your position you mine as well start the testosterone.

If you plan on running cycles you definitely should get some blood work done a few times a year.

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Even if you don't decide to go with ma research I still suggest you look around and find yourself a serm, especially if you plan on cycling on and off.

Well the stuff that I took that is making me pct is "HI Tech Winstrol" not the actual Winstrol....wasn't sure if this still had the same break before next cycle as real gear.
Ya it's not real winstrol but those are real prohormones, there still suppressive.
 
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What is winstrol Hi Tech exactly? I mean I know they use gear names for there stuff But what is in it.
I was actually wondering the same because that's one of the ones I've never heard of before I got to guess it's epiandro
 
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I was actually wondering the same because that's one of the ones I've never heard of before I got to guess it's epiandro
Yup, it's active is listed as one of the names for epiandro on it's wiki.

And at 50mg per tab, that's only 12-18 caps per day for an effective dose!

That's an even bigger mouthful than the chemical name 3beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androstan-17-one!

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Oh boy, that dose is completely useless, honestly if you were taking less then 300mg of epiandro per day then it's highly unlikely you need a pct. I just looked at a few of there products. There all severely underdosed to the point that I think you would loose muscle taking them because it's enough hormone to start being suppressive but not enough hormone to cause muscle growth.

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Your probably fine without pct, did you even get any results off this stuff? For further notice with Andros, the minimum effective dose is about 300mg a day for all of the andros
 

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I did their 1 Testosterone and their "Winstrol"......results were ok, did get more vascular and did cut some good amount.

Was supposed to do 8 weeks but only did 4 weeks, I stopped because it made me feel too lethargic and my libido plummeted.
 
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I did their 1 Testosterone and their "Winstrol"......results were ok, did get more vascular and did cut some good amount.

Was supposed to do 8 weeks but only did 4 weeks, I stopped because it made me feel too lethargic and my libido plummeted.
Yeah, that can happen with 1-Andro and with any hormonal without test or something, that converts to estro or test.

I agree with Smont. Either get a serm asap and run that for a few weeks. Then wait a minimum of 2 months, before running anything else (hormonal). Or get test asap and jump on that for 10+ weeks.
 

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Time on time off is opinion and a personal choice. This dude on YouTube just came off after like 10 years straight and I think he got his test levels to around 6 or 700 after all pct meds cleared. He logged the whole thing. When I came off after almost 5 years my levels were 598 about 4 months after stopping with no pct. The second month off did suck tho and I felt better by the week after that
 
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Time on time off is opinion and a personal choice. This dude on YouTube just came off after like 10 years straight and I think he got his test levels to around 6 or 700 after all pct meds cleared. He logged the whole thing. When I came off after almost 5 years my levels were 598 about 4 months after stopping with no pct. The second month off did suck tho and I felt better by the week after that
Like mentioned though, the time off is about more, than just hormonal recovery. I'd think yours and the guy in YT to be outlier cases. There's also cases where someone has done one 'basic' cycle and never fully recovered hpta function to the level before the cycle.
 

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Follow up question.....is Novaldex or Clomid ok for PCT or are both required?
 

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