Four weeks through second cycle, results so far

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I thought I would post some results I've had on my second cycle so far. The cycle is:

Test E 400 mg
Deca 600 mg
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD

First week, I didn't notice much. I did not gain any weight from week 1 to week 2, I stayed at 175.6 lbs. From week 2 to week 3, I noticed libido going up a little. At the start of the third week, my weight was 179.8. I figured it was glycogen and nitrogen retention. Hunger was up a little and libido up even more. Now, I am in the fourth week, I did the 8th injection yesterday. I really think it is starting to kick in now.

First, I weight myself every Sunday morning, my weight dropped to 175.2, so I actually lost .4 lbs from the start, but I am leaner. My waist is a little tighter than when I started and my strength is way up. I am setting new rep PRs on my main lifts weekly. One other thing that makes me think it is starting to kick in is my libido is up a lot. Pretty much nightly I wake up with morning wood and I need to have sex or masturbate daily. Lastly, my hunger is through the damn roof. I am thinking about adding calories.

I wanted to kinda do a recomp, but I might need to go into a bulk with the hunger like this. Even after I eat, I am still hungry.

One thing I have been doing is 10 minutes of easy cardio after each day of lifting, so it is 60 minutes of cardio weekly.

I think I am going to cut that in half next week and bump up the calories some, depending on where my weight is.

I wanted to post these results so far because I know general consensus is one should run test higher than deca and I am going the other way from posts I have read on several forums.
 
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I feel that test should be the lower compound in general. I like to run the bare minimum to keep my body functioning properly. I think that's a solid cycle.
 
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Deca takes forreeeeevvvverr. Week 6 will be awesome. Just bulk man, hell with cardio anyways.
 
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Test @200-300 makes 19nor’s a lot more tolerable.... if you happen to start getting sides - just to mirror what RB said, I concur.
 
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Yeah high test can cause hair loss (if predisposed)and prostate issues due to excess DHT. There is much less chance of those 2 issues with deca.
Same goes with EQ, primo. Tbol, anavar and superdrol are some other low androgenic compounds that I like to run, with minimal test. I've already had one hair transplant, don't feel like forking over another $10k for another
 
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I think the 4/600 ratio is good.... But I would def bulk. There's a reason your body wants cals. Thats a bread and butter mass building stack. I would still do cardio to shed water and help to stay leanish while bulking.
 
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I think the 4/600 ratio is good.... But I would def bulk. There's a reason your body wants cals. Thats a bread and butter mass building stack. I would still do cardio to shed water and help to stay leanish while bulking.
I think that is what I am going to do. I will bump up cals by at least 100 each day, depending on my weight starting Sunday. I could not believe how hungry I was during my workout. My post workout meal was a little over 1000 cals and my stomach said, that's it?

I've read people get deca dick from high doses of deca, but I read some more reputable posts that it is the higher test that causes this to happen. Anyhow, hoping this helps some people that want to run Deca and haven't before.
 
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I think that is what I am going to do. I will bump up cals by at least 100 each day, depending on my weight starting Sunday. I could not believe how hungry I was during my workout. My post workout meal was a little over 1000 cals and my stomach said, that's it?

I've read people get deca dick from high doses of deca, but I read some more reputable posts that it is the higher test that causes this to happen. Anyhow, hoping this helps some people that want to run Deca and haven't before.
You need “enough” test. Too much only makes deca sides worse. I won’t get into the science of it, because quite frankly it contradicts application. Enough test will stop it, but in my experience a little prami at caber stops it too.
 

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I agree with these boys also.
One gram of test and deca will build fantastic mass and the next week or two you should start blowing up with enough cals.
Watch carbs and salt with bloat and as long as your surplus isn't to high you won't gain much fat.
 
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Yep, I'm paying attention too. I am running 500test 400 deca and tbol kicker starting in novemeber so I'm very interested
 
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I agree with these boys also.
One gram of test and deca will build fantastic mass and the next week or two you should start blowing up with enough cals.
Watch carbs and salt with bloat and as long as your surplus isn't to high you won't gain much fat.
The first four weeks I have lowered carbs and sodium, I think I am good with carbs. When I add cals, it will be in the form of protein and healthy fats.

I am not tracking sodium, but I am using a lot less than I normally would. For carbs, I carb cycle and it looks like this:

Sunday - 365g
Monday - 265g
Tuesday - 315g
Wednesday - 90-97g
Thursday - 265g
Friday - 365g
Saturday - 315g
 

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The first four weeks I have lowered carbs and sodium, I think I am good with carbs. When I add cals, it will be in the form of protein and healthy fats.

I am not tracking sodium, but I am using a lot less than I normally would. For carbs, I carb cycle and it looks like this:

Sunday - 365g
Monday - 265g
Tuesday - 315g
Wednesday - 90-97g
Thursday - 265g
Friday - 365g
Saturday - 315g
I haven't carb cycled before but will have to try it sometime. If it's working for you stick with it.
I eat low carb, around 100g/d and an extra 50-100g at dinner time on training days. It works for me and I like the foods so it makes it easier but if I was to bulk I would eat a lot more.

Personally I've never cared about bloat that much unless it causes BP issues.
I see it as part of the journey of getting bigger and it will go away after the cycle, although I've never cared enough about aesthetics oncycle for it to be an issue either.
IMO the mirror is the best judge to keep you where you want to be though.
 

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Test @200-300 makes 19nor’s a lot more tolerable.... if you happen to start getting sides - just to mirror what RB said, I concur.
Does that hold true for Tren as well from your experience?
 
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Does that hold true for Tren as well from your experience?
Absolutely. Deca, NPP, tren, Dienolone, and most definitely Trest. They are so good at what they do that I just use enough test to keep male function up, and experience far less sides with lower test, I don’t know the science of why, it’s just a trial and error thing for me. A lot of guys on here who love 19-Nors but dread the sides have come to this conclusion too. The difference in what quality muscle you can build with any of those compounds vs testosterone is night and day, so I want to run these compounds as high as possible but with the least sides, and the lower I go with test, the easier it is to push these compounds to an adequate dose and easily tolerate their sides. I don’t go below 150-200mg/week though.
 
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Interesting. So I had originally planned on running test at 500 and deca at 400. Now considering dropping test, and make it 400 mg a week of test and 400mg of deca

I only have 1 test cycle under my belt
 
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Interesting. So I had originally planned on running test at 500 and deca at 400. Now considering dropping test, and make it 400 mg a week of test and 400mg of deca

I only have 1 test cycle under my belt
You were going to run 900mg/week.
300 test pw
600 deca pw

Thats your best option imo.
 
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You’ll get more results AND less sides.
 

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The first four weeks I have lowered carbs and sodium, I think I am good with carbs. When I add cals, it will be in the form of protein and healthy fats.

I am not tracking sodium, but I am using a lot less than I normally would. For carbs, I carb cycle and it looks like this:

Sunday - 365g
Monday - 265g
Tuesday - 315g
Wednesday - 90-97g
Thursday - 265g
Friday - 365g
Saturday - 315g
Just me but I look and feel better keeping sodium in. I don’t like to cut it anymore at all and if anything I’ve increased intake over he years and my bp hasn’t increased at all.
 
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You were going to run 900mg/week.
300 test pw
600 deca pw

Thats your best option imo.
It's too late for that now unfortunately. I'm not gonna have enough deca to do that.

Where were you guys at when I posted this cycle on a thread lookin for feedback,lol

All I got was looks good keep test higher than deca
 
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It's too late for that now unfortunately. I'm not gonna have enough deca to do that.

Where were you guys at when I posted this cycle on a thread lookin for feedback,lol

All I got was looks good keep test higher than deca
Order more deca.

And you were told this information, plus I said how I was going to run it and would give an update. Additionally, AM is not the only source for this stuff and I would argue, even though we have knowledgeable members here on AAS, there are better forms to do research on.

Granted the quotes below are about your first proposed cycle, the same principle applies.

I like EQ (like a lot of people).
If it were me, I'd probably drop the Test down some, and maybe up the EQ a little.
And from what I just heard from a couple of guys, I'd front load the EQ some... because it normally takes a good while to "kick in". (I can't believe I just used the "kick in" phrase. LOL).
Anavar is one of my favorites. I'd do 20mg ×30.
I’d also drop the test dose and bump the eq dose like renew said. Tbol probably 40-60mg if it’s properly dosed.
Eq is great at 800mgs and up, but pretty useless below that. It's very weak.

400mgs test, 800eq, 50mgs tbol for 3 weeks ti start.sorted.
I would personally PROBABLY do 600mg of EQ, and probably 300mg of Test.

And I haven't run Tbol yet, but that sounds like a decent dosage, from what I've heard.

Hopefully, a few more opinions will pop up here.
Go 4 weeks on the oral and I prefer lower test like 300 with 600mg eq. I just don't believe in high test since it won't add much more size but rather bloat me.

Tbol 50-60 and var depending on goals.. For cutting 30-50 for bulking 50-100 but I think after 60 it might not be worth increasing, besides the pumps can be terrible
After that thread, you created another about test/deca.

Ok here we go...
Weeks 1-12 test cyp 500mg a week
Weeks 1-12 deca 400mg a week
Weeks 1-5 tbol 30-40 mgs
Arimidex .5eod

Caber? Should I just start running .25 mg a week from the get go or wait to see if I devolop any prolactin sides and then start it.

PCT=TRT

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Legit Deca 400 should be enough, but I might do 350 Test, 550 Deca, personally. But if you’re one that responds to higher test than it’s a personal pref, Prami or Caber helps me more with the sides of 19’s better than higher test does.
This is my second cycle overall, first with deca. First was test e 500 mg/week.

I am doing something similar to a post above. 400mg test e and 600 mg deca/week.
 
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Well I ran 700 test and 400 deca and really enjoyed it and the results I gained 33lbs and kept 15lbs after pct...
 
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Well I ran 700 test and 400 deca and really enjoyed it and the results I gained 33lbs and kept 15lbs after pct...
I’m sure a gram of test and 400 deca would be enjoyable too. There’s only a dozen guys that find it unnecessary, while also aggravating side effects of 19nors, but maybe were just little bytches now after a couple dozen cycles we like to not feel like garbage while receiving no actual benefits of increased test base.
 
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I’m sure a gram of test and 400 deca would be enjoyable too. There’s only a dozen guys that find it unnecessary, while also aggravating side effects of 19nors, but maybe were just little bytches now after a couple dozen cycles we like to not feel like garbage while receiving no actual benefits of increased test base.
It's not all roses and butterfly's that's for sure but the ups out weighed the downs...
 
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Dang....lol. your right antm. Although It was a tongue and cheek statement thus the Lol. Those are the 2 responses I got back after posting that about deca. And it said if you respond well to test, which I did with no sides, then it is personal preference.

The 500test 400 deca is a pretty generic bulk cycle that is on several websites that I consider good information. I do have enough to run 500 deca for 12 weeks.

In any case I am not trying to highjack your thread and didn't intend for you to put in all that leg work on the post. I'm here because of interest in your cycle. And besides if I don't like the cycle the way I run it this time, there is always next cycle...
 
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I’m just being grumpy. My bad guys. Loads of guys run high test. What I like most about AM, is a lot of guys here use research and personal experimentation to unlearn bodybuilding internet broscience and challenge traditional steroid cycling protocols. 8 years ago, it was run test as high as you can to prevent 19nor sides. Then a lot of us noticed that when Test is just high enough to maintain male function, there practically were no sides, leaving us free to increase the real bulker’s dose: Tren or Deca. I’ve found you can get more from the cycle this way as well. Test, while fantastic, can’t do what deca can do for muscle mass, it’s not even close. And I’ve found time and time again I’m able to get more out of the cycle with less overall androgens in the body, you can get more results with less sides with this method. Try 700/700 some time, it’s effective as hell but unbearable. Now try 300/700. Completely doable and JUST as effective in my honest opinion. I’ve done 500 Test and 200 trestolone. The gyno was out of this world. I was taking 20-40 nolva, 5mg Letro and double dosed Inhibit-P to no avail. But I saw the same results with zero gyno on 250 Test/200 Trest. And I barely even needed 50mg Raloxifene and .125 Letro. It changes the game completely. And with literally the same results. In fact every cycle/blast, after dozens of them, I still don’t go over a gram of total aas. Simply because it’s not necessary when Test is kept to a minimum as I continue to get fantastic results from the real workhorse of the stack: whatever I’m running that’s not test. Testosterone is the Honda Civic of aas, it’s just for getting to work and back. Everything else is literally better in every way.
 

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I’m just being grumpy. My bad guys. Loads of guys run high test. What I like most about AM, is a lot of guys here use research and personal experimentation to unlearn bodybuilding internet broscience and challenge traditional steroid cycling protocols. 8 years ago, it was run test as high as you can to prevent 19nor sides. Then a lot of us noticed that when Test is just high enough to maintain male function, there practically were no sides, leaving us free to increase the real bulker’s dose: Tren or Deca. I’ve found you can get more from the cycle this way as well. Test, while fantastic, can’t do what deca can do for muscle mass, it’s not even close. And I’ve found time and time again I’m able to get more out of the cycle with less overall androgens in the body, you can get more results with less sides with this method. Try 700/700 some time, it’s effective as hell but unbearable. Now try 300/700. Completely doable and JUST as effective in my honest opinion. I’ve done 500 Test and 200 trestolone. The gyno was out of this world. I was taking 20-40 nolva, 5mg Letro and double dosed Inhibit-P to no avail. But I saw the same results with zero gyno on 250 Test/200 Trest. And I barely even needed 50mg Raloxifene and .125 Letro. It changes the game completely. And with literally the same results. In fact every cycle/blast, after dozens of them, I still don’t go over a gram of total aas. Simply because it’s not necessary when Test is kept to a minimum as I continue to get fantastic results from the real workhorse of the stack: whatever I’m running that’s not test. Testosterone is the Honda Civic of aas, it’s just for getting to work and back. Everything else is literally better in every way.
Legit post. Too many people taking ridiculous amounts of test when a fraction would yield great results of their diet and training was on point. Instead they try to jack up the test dosage to overcome ****ty training and nutrition to rush results.
 

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