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bigdog*71

bigdog*71

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Alright so bought a handful of PH before they became extinct. Stashed in the freezer vacuum sealed. Long story short had two boys now they're grown and could use a little edge myself as they are becoming avid lifters @14yrs old.
Here's what I found-

Xtren
Diabolix
Epistane
Inhibit-E
Diol-xs
M-Drol

There are countless reviews online, don't care for those would rather here from you if there's anything good here. It's been a while so basically this is a relearning process. If I remember they all had sides and some were definitely better than others,.Trying to keep my hair and jumps in strength without killing my chest w/ gyno. Just a small cycle to get things moving a little quicker now that I'm 53 😞

Diet is clean, protien is on point. Just not as easy as it used to be.
 
Probably wouldn’t touch any of these at 53 unless you’re on TRT and rest of your bloodwork, blood pressure is on point.
 
bigdog*71 said:
Alright so bought a handful of PH before they became extinct. Stashed in the freezer vacuum sealed. Long story short had two boys now they're grown and could use a little edge myself as they are becoming avid lifters @14yrs old.
Here's what I found-

Xtren
Diabolix
Epistane
Inhibit-E
Diol-xs
M-Drol

There are countless reviews online, don't care for those would rather here from you if there's anything good here. It's been a while so basically this is a relearning process. If I remember they all had sides and some were definitely better than others,.Trying to keep my hair and jumps in strength without killing my chest w/ gyno. Just a small cycle to get things moving a little quicker now that I'm 53 😞

Diet is clean, protien is on point. Just not as easy as it used to be.
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So to further explain what was already said, those are all methylated orals which will skyrocket blood pressure, screw up you cholesterol, and liver. At 53, not something most want to risk.

Also every one of those except epistane and inhibit e carry a pretty hefty risk of gyno.

Nice stash tho.
 
WickedWarlock said:
So to further explain what was already said, those are all methylated orals which will skyrocket blood pressure, screw up you cholesterol, and liver. At 53, not something most want to risk.

Also every one of those except epistane and inhibit e carry a pretty hefty risk of gyno.

Nice stash tho.
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Epistane used to, maybe still does ? Have a reputation for rebound gyno…
 
Thanks for chiming in, label on the X-Tren is 19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17 dione. Not seeing the Methyl in that, unless I'm mistaken. Some of the articles that I've put eyes on is that epi is a relatively anti- estrogen i think that's why I stocked up. if I remember correctly it being low sides. The m-drol now yea that's basically superdrol and prob not something I should get into @53 unless I want to enhance the man boobs..
 
bigdog*71 said:
Thanks for chiming in, label on the X-Tren is 19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17 dione. Not seeing the Methyl in that, unless I'm mistaken. Some of the articles that I've put eyes on is that epi is a relatively anti- estrogen i think that's why I stocked up. if I remember correctly it being low sides. The m-drol now yea that's basically superdrol and prob not something I should get into @53 unless I want to enhance the man boobs..
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They are all hard to re-start your natural test production from. While not methylated, the 19nors are the hardest! (Are you on TRT ?)

Besides the orals which you have, there’s numerous on cycle products you’d really want to stock up on $$ …plus pct.

Have a look into epiandro. It’s talked about a lot here. For what it is, it’s potent and seems to more fit the bill for where you’re at.
 
No TRT I'm not too bad for 53, not a fat body guzzling beers and eating cheetoes kind of person. I'll have 3-4 light beers every so often, no fast food.

The xtren is apparently dienedione interesting compound. Some say gyno some say zero issues. I believe taking a scientific approach everyone is different and have different reactions to compounds, this applies to training as well. Some like me for example prefer to absolute failure and achieve post soreness but only lift x3/ week, some prefer 6x/week twice a body part but only training to relative failure on those sets,...
 
bigdog*71 said:
No TRT I'm not too bad for 53, not a fat body guzzling beers and eating cheetoes kind of person. I'll have 3-4 light beers every so often, no fast food.

The xtren is apparently dienedione interesting compound. Some say gyno some say zero issues. I believe taking a scientific approach everyone is different and have different reactions to compounds, this applies to training as well. Some like me for example prefer to absolute failure and achieve post soreness but only lift x3/ week, some prefer 6x/week twice a body part but only training to relative failure on those sets,...
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Xtren gyno is caused by prolactin which is much more difficult to control Vs just estrogen. Xtren will also spike the hell out of blood pressure. Do what you want (because people do anyways) but my personal opinion is that all those compounds are foolish to run at 53 years old.

If you want a PH, stick to what @Rad83 said and pick up some epiandro and even that I wouldn’t run above 600mgs ed at your age. I’m 33 and 900 and above spikes my blood pressure.
 
Rad83 said:
Epistane used to, maybe still does ? Have a reputation for rebound gyno…
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Epistane naturally converts to Phera-Plex. We used to see that all the time with raw material testing.

That’s why you’d see conflicting results and opinions on gyno.

This seemed to happen no matter the storage conditions. Back in the old days, I had posted test results on the same raws sample 6 months apart as an example of this and if I remember correctly what started as 98% epistane was around 80% by that time.
 
sns8778 said:
Epistane naturally converts to Phera-Plex. We used to see that all the time with raw material testing.

That’s why you’d see conflicting results and opinions on gyno.

This seemed to happen no matter the storage conditions. Back in the old days, I had posted test results on the same raws sample 6 months apart as an example of this and if I remember correctly what started as 98% epistane was around 80% by that time.
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Makes you wonder about what it would be a few years after expiration
 
If anything I'd be running a pulsing method if anyone remembers it involves low dose x3 a week and there are many ways to pulse based on your reaction and experience with compounds used. For example day1-30xtren/day2-15epi/day3-30inhibit-e. Followed by a clean day- repeated. Theory is compounds have limited ability to become toxic and/or spill over into hairloss and gyno. Im sure aware the gains will be limited, however this is more of a euphoric type cycle to kick start- limited sides. May have some Tamoxifen here maybe a box. Saw palmetto, milk thistle, coQ10, Hawthorne berry, etc all the usual stuff. Thanks for shootin' the sh*t,.brings back the gym ratt days ,.miss the comradery in that,.
 
bigdog*71 said:
If anything I'd be running a pulsing method if anyone remembers it involves low dose x3 a week and there are many ways to pulse based on your reaction and experience with compounds used. For example day1-30xtren/day2-15epi/day3-30inhibit-e. Followed by a clean day- repeated. Theory is compounds have limited ability to become toxic and/or spill over into hairloss and gyno. Im sure aware the gains will be limited, however this is more of a euphoric type cycle to kick start- limited sides. May have some Tamoxifen here maybe a box. Saw palmetto, milk thistle, coQ10, Hawthorne berry, etc all the usual stuff. Thanks for shootin' the sh*t,.brings back the gym ratt days ,.miss the comradery in that,.
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I think all that will do is jack your hormone levels to hell causing more issues. Both those compounds are bad on hair. Your life bro. May the odds be forever in your favor
 
The pulsing method will still shut you down just as hard. That idea of message board bro science that was a trendy but bad idea back in the day.

The x tren is the pro hormone to dienolone. It’s most similar to tren but generally thought to be not as harsh . The target hormone is still probably harsher than deca. Besides being a little less hard on the liver and maybe a little less hard on the lipids it’s probably about as harsh as the others . Can definitely cause gyno in some people and can make you lactate if prolactin gets too high
 
Diabolix is the pro hormone to dbol. Converts at about 20% so 90 mg a day is like 15-20 mg of dbol. The pro hormone is also active though so in theory it would be stronger than 20 mg of dbol. The prohormone shouldn’t convert to estrogen but the dbol it converts to will (dbol is broken down into methyl estrogen which is even worse to deal with as far as gyno). In theory same effects and side effects as dbol though, a little drier though since the precursor can’t convert
 
You can find plenty on epistane . Super dry , some like it better than var. Might characterize it as a stronger and more toxic Var, with some winny like properties too. More anabolic than winny though

Superdrol is probably the strongest oral ever produced outside of Methyl tren and cheque drops and maybe m1t. Very anabolic but so toxic can’t really run it long enough to gain real mass. You will put 15-20lbs of stored glycogen on in 3 weeks but won’t actually be real muscle and will go away when you have to stop it. It’s hard for a 20-30 year old to run for more than 3-4 weeks, much less a 50 year old . One of the most liver toxic orals, hard on lipids and will send BP through roof . Will fill your calves with so much glycogen that just walking around the grocery store they will have terrible pain

Not sure what Diol XS is . Post the nomenclature .
 
Can anyone explain the breakdown of 19 Nor- in any chemical composition. Is this to enhance absorption but also more liver toxic?
 
WickedWarlock said:
Xtren gyno is caused by prolactin which is much more difficult to control Vs just estrogen. Xtren will also spike the hell out of blood pressure. Do what you want (because people do anyways) but my personal opinion is that all those compounds are foolish to run at 53 years old.

If you want a PH, stick to what @Rad83 said and pick up some epiandro and even that I wouldn’t run above 600mgs ed at your age. I’m 33 and 900 and above spikes my blood pressure.
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Epiandro hmm seen a few different versions of epi, so is "Havoc" epiando? I found two in the freezer as well :)
 
bigdog*71 said:
Epiandro hmm seen a few different versions of epi, so is "Havoc" epiando? I found two in the freezer as well :)
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Epiandro is not epi and not havoc. Epiandro is a version of dhea that converts to dht pretty good. Not methylated. Not toxic. Very very minimal sides under 600mgs ed
 
Funny enough….i was going through my kitchen pantry and found an unused original bottle of EvoMuse Bright from probably 10+ years ago. Was thinking about giving it a shot or should I just trash it? 50 years old….crossfit train 4x a week…..great health.
 
msucurt said:
Funny enough….i was going through my kitchen pantry and found an unused original bottle of EvoMuse Bright from probably 10+ years ago. Was thinking about giving it a shot or should I just trash it? 50 years old….crossfit train 4x a week…..great health.
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Personally I'd probably trash it but I know some who would say it's still fine to use and worst case it's not as potent.
 
Subbed just as curious to where OP lands. I don't recall hearing that sdrol had gyno sides, but then again maybe I wasn't really paying attention when this was hot back in the day.
 
Segansational said:
Subbed just as curious to where OP lands. I don't recall hearing that sdrol had gyno sides, but then again maybe I wasn't really paying attention when this was hot back in the day.
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It doesn’t , it just raises BP and is harsher on the liver and lipids than just about anything ever made. Anything can cause gyno, multiple mechanisms in which gyno can happen.

Convert to estrogen, stimulate ER directly (anadrol doesn’t covert to estro, but probably binds to receptor like an estrogen), tank T levels so T to e ratio is off, prolactin gyno. Just about any compound can cause gyno but not all are from converting to estrogen
 
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