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For those of you on HC

Before you got started on Hydrocortisone, what did your doctor use to justify it's use ?

Was it because you had a low reading on a 24-hour urinary cortisol test ?

I don't think serum cortisol is useful in adrenal fatigue, so I didn't mention it.

And once you started on HC have what have you noticed ? Increased libido ?
 
Before you got started on Hydrocortisone, what did your doctor use to justify it's use ?

Was it because you had a low reading on a 24-hour urinary cortisol test ?

I don't think serum cortisol is useful in adrenal fatigue, so I didn't mention it.

And once you started on HC have what have you noticed ? Increased libido ?

prolonged elevated rt3 where an indication of adrenal imbalnces mainly elevated cortisol at first but eventually leading into cortisol depletion. My salvia cortisol testing from 2 different labs confirmed low cortisol levels as well as consistantly low alkaline phosphotase levels. plus sub normal cortisol am readings below 15 as low as 6 but dr's told me I was in the range so to speak. Plus also un explained crashing from armour thyroid which lead to another trip to shrink because dr never heard of thyroid medicine doing that. incerased libido at first but then it stop, dr did not balance it with dhea which protects your body from nasty side effects of the cortisol. MY next step is preg creame to help feed the pathways that may be lacking due to hormonal imbalnces
 
I am a patient of Dr Mariano and he did a simple adrenal fatigue screening test on me and then put me on HC.

I tried HC alone for a few months. It didn't seem to do much. One HC + Armour Thyroid were used together, that really got the ball rolling. I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism. I was hoping that correcting the adrenal fatigue by itself would fix the thyroid, but that didn't seem to be the case.

Sonny
 
My first test was a 4x's a day saliva test I was told I was stage 6. Showed this to my Dr. he told me it was a waste of money saliva tests are not any good that is why your BCBS will not pay for it.
I did a morning blood test for my cortisol and ACTH it was 4 and my cortisol come in at 8 my Dr. said yes it is low but in range. So I got some Isocort worked my way up to 8 pill that =20 mgs of cortisol. My next months labs were much better by the way he let me try Isocort. So my next labs showed even better and I was to stay on Isocort but my supply did on come in the male they were low on it and it was on back order so my Dr. gave me a script for cortef. Man I thought Isocort worked dam good when I switched over to the cortef took about 2 weeks to get to the 5mgs 4x's a day dose wow did I feel better.
 
Food for thought. People taking thyroid meds have a hard time with transderms. Not to say transderms wont work but for some they are worthless. This goes for some people on Androgel or Testim.

Androgel at 10/day my test levels dropped from over 100 points. dropped another 30 points on testim
 
I'm with your doc. They just run saliva cortisol tests until they get one which explains symtoms.

So they have this broken down into six levels now, eh? lol

Adrenal fatigue is a diagnosis of exclusion. Those who truly have it will feel relief like night and day, and virtually instantly.

Yep i am trying to raise thyroid and i try cutback to 15 mgs vs normally 20 BIG MISTAKE !! Depression and brain fog you would never believe with in a day I was back to normal self..
 
Yep i am trying to raise thyroid and i try cutback to 15 mgs vs normally 20 BIG MISTAKE !! Depression and brain fog you would never believe with in a day I was back to normal self..

Your not playing with your meds are you why would you just start on HC and the want to cut back on it. I am seeing a lot of this guys leave your meds alone let your Dr. get you leveled don't add supplements with out your Dr.'s approving them and stay on the does your put on and give it 4 to 6 weeks then see how your doing and let your Dr. change your dose. I am seeing guys getting up in the morning not feeling all the great so they play with there meds all this dose is make it dam hard to get leveled off. If you try it stay with it test see your Dr. go over it and let him tell you what to do. If you not seeing a Dr. that is up on this find one.
 
Before you got started on Hydrocortisone, what did your doctor use to justify it's use ?

Was it because you had a low reading on a 24-hour urinary cortisol test ?

I don't think serum cortisol is useful in adrenal fatigue, so I didn't mention it.

And once you started on HC have what have you noticed ? Increased libido ?

I just started HC myself and I have unfortunately noticed significant anxiety. Has anyone else experienced this and if so, does it improve with time?

Maybe Dr. John can chime in with some words of advice?
 
Your not playing with your meds are you why would you just start on HC and the want to cut back on it. I am seeing a lot of this guys leave your meds alone let your Dr. get you leveled don't add supplements with out your Dr.'s approving them and stay on the does your put on and give it 4 to 6 weeks then see how your doing and let your Dr. change your dose. I am seeing guys getting up in the morning not feeling all the great so they play with there meds all this dose is make it dam hard to get leveled off. If you try it stay with it test see your Dr. go over it and let him tell you what to do. If you not seeing a Dr. that is up on this find one.

My dr was who advised me to start to taper down.. slolwly ..eveery time I do I have problems
 
My dr was who advised me to start to taper down.. slolwly ..eveery time I do I have problems

What kind of problems necessitate you to taper down? I started on HC at 5 mg w/ breakfast but found that even at this amount I had anxiety, dizziness, nausea, headaches, fatigue and restless sleep, so I've cut down to 2.5 mg.
 
Truestrength...if your like a lot of us, when you start supplementing with HC you get a thyroid dump due to all the thyroid hormones just sitting there pooling in teh blood (and unable to get to the cells). Thats why you start low with 2.5mg and work your way up to 20mg....or whatever level is appropriate.

Why did you start in the first place? What made you think you have AF?
 
Truestrength...if your like a lot of us, when you start supplementing with HC you get a thyroid dump due to all the thyroid hormones just sitting there pooling in teh blood (and unable to get to the cells). Thats why you start low with 2.5mg and work your way up to 20mg....or whatever level is appropriate.

Why did you start in the first place? What made you think you have AF?

Hey Scottyo,

I've heard of the thyroid dump but I am not on Synthroid or Armour so I'm perplexed as to why I feel like crap. I've read that most people who need HC take it and feel better right away.

The reason I am on HC is I have been suffering from CFS for the past 4 years along with anxiety, brain fog, muscle and joint pain, bouts of insomnia, sensitivity to bright lights, tinnitus and worst of all hypoglycemia. My MD did blood and saliva tests and recommended I do a trial of HC as per Dr. Jefferies' instructions in "Safe Uses of Cortisol".
 
What kind of problems necessitate you to taper down? I started on HC at 5 mg w/ breakfast but found that even at this amount I had anxiety, dizziness, nausea, headaches, fatigue and restless sleep, so I've cut down to 2.5 mg.

You could be feeling like this because your starting on to high of a dose. When I started on it I did 2.5mgs here is the chart I used.

Day 1-3: 2.5 mg first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)
Day 4-6: 2.5 mg first thing, 2.5 mg in four hours (5 mg total)
Day 7-9: 2.5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (7 1/2 mg total)
Day 10-12: 5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (10 mg total)
Day 13-16: 5 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg bedtime (15 mg total)
Day 17-20: 10 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; Bedtime 2.5 mg (20 mg total)

So what can happen is you do to much to start and have a lot of thyroid hormone in your blood. Takeing a higher dose of HC can cause you to dump your thyroid hormones into your cells all at once this will make you feel like this. After all you need Cortiosl to carry the Thyroid hormone out of the blood into the cells. If your low on Cortisol do to Adrenal Fatigue and you add to much of a dose at starting on HC you can end up with dumping a lot of Thyroid hormones into your cells.
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The following comes from Peatfield’s book Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy:

Page 122, Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy:

Once the hydrocortisone is started, the full support dose is now built up to effective levels over two or three weeks….spread out through the waking day. The reason (to spread the doses out throughout the waking day) is that it is not stored by the body and gets rapidly used; two or three hours will see it pretty well used up completely. Since a smooth level of support is desirable, the dose needs to be spread out. The final dose is usually 20 mgs daily, that is half a tablet four times a day; but careful adjustment relating to the response may take the dose to 25 or 30 mgs daily, exceptionally even 40 mgs. These higher doses are related more to absorption in the stomach than to deficiency, but low adrenal reserve reaching Addisonian levels may make such doses necessary.

And on page 123:

The length of time necessary to provide adrenal support is really very variable. My normal practice has usually been to obtain the best result with thyroid and adrenal support, and after six or eight weeks {of having optimal thyroid support with optimal cortisol support], start to tail off the cortisone supplement. If there is no adverse results, it may then be stopped–taking, say four weeks in the process. Sometimes, the patient starts to lose ground; and you then have the choice of replacing it with a glandular concentrate for a longer period or restarting the cortisone, and in another eight weeks or so another attempt to tail it off is made. Sometimes, the adrenals have been so badly hit that the adrenal support may be required for months, and if the adrenal glands never fully recover, for a more indefinite time. Again, I emphasize that if adrenal support is required, it must be given for as long as it takes; there is no risk to this since one is simply restoring the situation to normal, in the same way, and for the same reason, that thyroid support may have to be given indefinitely.
 
He was not ready to lower his HC he felt bad this means his adrenals are not better yet. When on HC up to 25mgs 5mgs every 4 hrs this is about what healthy adrenals put out a day if not under stress. So if one loweres his dose and feels bad it means he need to let his adrenals heal longer.
 
You could be feeling like this because your starting on to high of a dose. When I started on it I did 2.5mgs here is the chart I used.

Day 1-3: 2.5 mg first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)
Day 4-6: 2.5 mg first thing, 2.5 mg in four hours (5 mg total)
Day 7-9: 2.5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (7 1/2 mg total)
Day 10-12: 5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (10 mg total)
Day 13-16: 5 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg bedtime (15 mg total)
Day 17-20: 10 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; Bedtime 2.5 mg (20 mg total)

So what can happen is you do to much to start and have a lot of thyroid hormone in your blood. Takeing a higher dose of HC can cause you to dump your thyroid hormones into your cells all at once this will make you feel like this. After all you need Cortiosl to carry the Thyroid hormone out of the blood into the cells. If your low on Cortisol do to Adrenal Fatigue and you add to much of a dose at starting on HC you can end up with dumping a lot of Thyroid hormones into your cells.
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The following comes from Peatfield’s book Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy:

Page 122, Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy:

Once the hydrocortisone is started, the full support dose is now built up to effective levels over two or three weeks….spread out through the waking day. The reason (to spread the doses out throughout the waking day) is that it is not stored by the body and gets rapidly used; two or three hours will see it pretty well used up completely. Since a smooth level of support is desirable, the dose needs to be spread out. The final dose is usually 20 mgs daily, that is half a tablet four times a day; but careful adjustment relating to the response may take the dose to 25 or 30 mgs daily, exceptionally even 40 mgs. These higher doses are related more to absorption in the stomach than to deficiency, but low adrenal reserve reaching Addisonian levels may make such doses necessary.

And on page 123:

The length of time necessary to provide adrenal support is really very variable. My normal practice has usually been to obtain the best result with thyroid and adrenal support, and after six or eight weeks {of having optimal thyroid support with optimal cortisol support], start to tail off the cortisone supplement. If there is no adverse results, it may then be stopped–taking, say four weeks in the process. Sometimes, the patient starts to lose ground; and you then have the choice of replacing it with a glandular concentrate for a longer period or restarting the cortisone, and in another eight weeks or so another attempt to tail it off is made. Sometimes, the adrenals have been so badly hit that the adrenal support may be required for months, and if the adrenal glands never fully recover, for a more indefinite time. Again, I emphasize that if adrenal support is required, it must be given for as long as it takes; there is no risk to this since one is simply restoring the situation to normal, in the same way, and for the same reason, that thyroid support may have to be given indefinitely.

Hi PMGamer,

Does the thyroid dump also apply to your own natural thyroid hormone production or does it only occur with exogenous hormones such Synthroid or Armour?

Thanks.
 
Thanks guys! Even though I feel like crap, I realize that I'm only 4 days into taking HC. Knowing that there can be a "grace" period puts my mind at ease.
 
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