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Has anyone tried pinning follistatin? I'm pretty sure it's not orally active. Could the results be better than other anabolics?
 

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Nobody has ever had real follistatin. Lol it used to be on research sites but supposedly so expensive you will never find legit stuff. Best bet may be YK11. Some say it’s awesome, some say just ok, some say it doesn’t work at all. Lol
 
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Nobody has ever had real follistatin. Lol it used to be on research sites but supposedly so expensive you will never find legit stuff. Best bet may be YK11. Some say it’s awesome, some say just ok, some say it doesn’t work at all. Lol
Yeah I was looking at yk11 but wasn't sure if people just go straight to the source (follistatin) also was thinking about adding epicatechin to some PCTs to see if it helps keeps gains since people say it's a myostatin inhibitor. I haven't found a lot of research though
 
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Nobody has ever had real follistatin. Lol it used to be on research sites but supposedly so expensive you will never find legit stuff. Best bet may be YK11. Some say it’s awesome, some say just ok, some say it doesn’t work at all. Lol

^^^ This ^^^
 
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Yeah I was looking at yk11 but wasn't sure if people just go straight to the source (follistatin) also was thinking about adding epicatechin to some PCTs to see if it helps keeps gains since people say it's a myostatin inhibitor. I haven't found a lot of research though

Check out this Great (but slightly technical) article:


 

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No doubt epi is great stuff. It won’t turn you into a Belgium blue cow but it defiantly works awesome for a natty Supp.
 
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Check out this Great (but slightly technical) article:


Nice! Have you used epi included in PCT? or by itself?
 
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Yep, I've used it during PCT, and also not during PCT.
I'm CONSTANTLY using Apex-Alchemy products.

.... I'm not just a Rep, I'm also a Client!

(Hair Club For Men reference. LOL 😆 )
 
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I'm CONSTANTLY using Apex-Alchemy products.

.... I'm not just a Rep, I'm also a Client!

(Hair Club For Men reference. LOL 😆 )
lol that's what makes a great rep! So I'm sure you've noticed that TD is better than oral for epicatechin?
 
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lol that's what makes a great rep! So I'm sure you've noticed that TD is better than oral for epicatechin?
Yep.

Almost everything that I've ever tried TD, was better than oral.
... Usually by a Lot.
 
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Yep.

Almost everything that I've ever tried TD, was better than oral.
... Usually by a Lot.
Have you noticed actual growth or denser muscles while using? or just to stay anti-catabolic? Also how do you run it? dose and duration?
 
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Have you noticed actual growth or denser muscles while using? or just to stay anti-catabolic? Also how do you run it? dose and duration?
Well, not too many years ago, I wasn't Anti "Natural" type compounds, but I felt like they were fairly weak, because I was used to Hormonal Anabolics (steroids), And because I had gotten a little bit behind on what was out there.

Apex-Alchemy products now (and forever more, apparently LOL) serve an integral part of my life (health, strength, and body-composition wise).

All that said .... I do sometimes still run (or my hamster does, or whatever) STRONG Hormonal Anabolics.

But yes, I can tell a difference using Epichaos, or I wouldn't use it.

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Have you noticed actual growth or denser muscles while using? or just to stay anti-catabolic? Also how do you run it? dose and duration?

It is non-hormonal, so you're not as limited on length it can be used without a break.
.... But I do occasionally cycle our products in and out of my routine (count our products, then look at your skin real-estate. LOL). I can't use them ALL continuously, at the same time.
 
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It is non-hormonal, so you're not as limited on length it can be used without a break.
.... But I do occasionally cycle our products in and out of my routine (count our products, then look at your skin real-estate. LOL). I can't use them ALL continuously, at the same time.
lol yeah I always wonder how people have enough skin real estate for all the TDs. Have you ever tried epicatechin while on cycle? Some people may say it's not needed because already taking strong anabolics, but I wonder if it can raise the limits on muscle growth while on. Lets say, cycle would really give 20 lbs of lean muscle but myostatin is limiting you to only gain 10 lbs. Maybe epicatechin can raise that limit? I know this is not backed by anything but have you seen anything like this for yourself or others?
 
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lol yeah I always wonder how people have enough skin real estate for all the TDs. Have you ever tried epicatechin while on cycle? Some people may say it's not needed because already taking strong anabolics, but I wonder if it can raise the limits on muscle growth while on. Lets say, cycle would really give 20 lbs of lean muscle but myostatin is limiting you to only gain 10 lbs. Maybe epicatechin can raise that limit? I know this is not backed by anything but have you seen anything like this for yourself or others?
I have used it on cycle recently.
It increases N.O., so it gives an extra pump.

Honestly, I haven't given a fair comparison (same exact cycle, only difference being Epichaos), so I couldn't say for sure about change in amount of muscle mass gained on cycle.
 

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