Follidrone?

Well boys and girls, *A* (not *The*) answer may be coming soon on if this stuff really builds muscle. Looks like one of the guys from the Pilot Study did another one that finished on Aug 31st:

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Usually takes what - a year or so for publication?

Of course, then it needs to be done in young, buff dudes - as opposed to old, wasting ones :D
 
I was more referring to bigsmall being condescending. Brundel has been friendly enough to people. I just don't like people that meet skepticism with condescension :)
 
ryane87 said:
I was more referring to bigsmall being condescending. Brundel has been friendly enough to people. I just don't like people that meet skepticism with condescension :)
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Oh Shyte. My bad bro.
:shoot self:

Coffee (_)p good.
Me a gulpa, me a gulpa, me a maxima gulpa. :D
 
mechka_grizli said:
210LBS No where have I seen Brundel claim that someone added 100lbs in 4 days. I have seen him say they added 100lbs to their deadlift AFTER running it for 8+ weeks. As far as the weight gain in 10 days, I personally and my gym partner both gained weight within 2 weeks of starting Folli 2.0. 6lbs for me and 7.4lbs for him. Both taken first thing in the morning on empty stomach. Whether it be from increased glycogen storage or water retention, who knows.
ryane87 I actually saw the original post where the 27lb gain claim came from. It was not from Brundel but a guy on the forums who said his little brother who I think was 17 years old put on 27lbs. Brundel only quoted feed back he was given. The post is in the BLR thread, you can look it up if so inclined.

Of all the BLR products I have tried, the only one I really like is Follidrone. Easily one of my favorite supplements ever. Endurance and strength gains are amazing. Can't compare to anything hormonal as Ive never crossed over to the dark side. But the product works. There were hit and misses with some people. Some people didn't get anything from Folli but some responded to OL epi product. Vice versa, some responded to folli and not OL epi product.


I DON'T REP FOR BLR. Actually didn't get anything from Letrone or Rebirth. But Folli 2.0 is in my opinion, the best natty supplement on the market.
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What I posted there was actually a quote from brundel himself here: anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/246717-new-product-follidrone.html

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The_Old_Guy said:
Well boys and girls, *A* (not *The*) answer may be coming soon on if this stuff really builds muscle. Looks like one of the guys from the Pilot Study did another one that finished on Aug 31st:

grantome.com/grant/NIH/R21-AG047326-01A1

Usually takes what - a year or so for publication?

Of course, then it needs to be done in young, buff dudes - as opposed to old, wasting ones :D
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Haha I was thinking the same thing when I read it. It will be interesting to see the results though. I'm hoping we will see more placebo-controlled studies on epicatechin in the near future.
 
I've also responded well to epi. I've been running Follidrone 2.0 for nine weeks at this point, and have had improved body composition, strength gains, and enhanced vascularity. All other variables have been constant, as far as diet and training go.
 
210LBS said:
What I posted there was actually a quote from brundel himself here: anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/246717-new-product-follidrone.html

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Mod got to you before I did but, again I saw the ORIGINAL post from the guy. Brundel did not make the original statement. Im sure he repeated it but it wasn't his statement.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Mod got to you before I did but, again I saw the ORIGINAL post from the guy. Brundel did not make the original statement. Im sure he repeated it but it wasn't his statement.
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Not only was it his statement, he said he personally knows the guy in this thread:
anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/246719-black-lion-research.html

He said he's 100% sure his dead went from 405-505 in 4 days.
 
210LBS said:
Not only was it his statement, he said he personally knows the guy in this thread:
anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/246719-black-lion-research.html

He said he's 100% sure his dead went from 405-505 in 4 days.
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Wasnt referring to the deadlift statement. Was talking about the 27lb gain
 
mechka_grizli said:
Now that I agree is farfetch'd lol. I haven't seen the statement but ill look and see
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Just so we're clear I don't think I've ever said that brundel said someone gained 27 lbs. I just quoted what was in his post. Someone else may have posted that about a user that was cited or something who supposedly gained 27 lbs. I'm not going to be unfair to him and put words in his mouth.
 
forgive me if this has been asked or comes across as lazy, but has their been a consolidated general recommendations for running a FD2.0 cycle based on those first few runs that folks have done?...i.e. dosing / timing / negative sides to heads up for and anything to prevent or counter those sides?

if not, Ill just go back through all of the logs and figure it out...thanks mates
 
I responded very well to Follidrone and yes I did rep for BLR when this first came out, but regardless I was buying my own bottles of it because I enjoyed it. I did try another brand without the same results, but not far off.

To me , (-)-epicatechin is a great product for improved endurance and strength building, as well being good for you. I found improved lipid levels after taking it on two separate labs. My lifts improved and recovery was very noticeable.

That being said, I could not justify spending the money on it as the difference in improvement I saw over citrulline/agmatine/creatine stack was marginal, but quite a bit more expensive. So I would say it is a good product and ingredient, just pricier than I like to see.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
forgive me if this has been asked or comes across as lazy, but has their been a consolidated general recommendations for running a FD2.0 cycle based on those first few runs that folks have done?...i.e. dosing / timing / negative sides to heads up for and anything to prevent or counter those sides?

if not, Ill just go back through all of the logs and figure it out...thanks mates
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Recommended dosing is on the bottle: 2 caps pre-workout and 1 a few hours away; 3 caps spread out evenly on off days.

Some get GI distress, low blood sugar (I did initially), and very few got joint pain. Most of those side disappeared with prolonged use for most users. If low blood sugar sides persist it is recommended to take servings with food though dosing on empty stomach is preferred according to formulator. Some countered joint pain with increased fish oil intake.

I just take all 3 pre-workout or before my first meal as I don't like micro-management. Effects became apparent in the first week: extra glycogen retention and pronounced extra fat loss while keeping all else the same. I won't say I gain any muscle because of it as my routine determines that but it makes gym sessions "easier" and more fun with the extra pump and, possibly, better endurance. It works as a very good partitioner for me and produces great pumps training fasted with no co-administered pump agents after a few weeks of continued use. Get a bottle and see how it works for you.
 
I am on my 4th bottle of follidrone. It gives me great pumps, energy and a nice recomp. I haven't changed my diet much, but follidrone helps by channeling carbs onto the muscles (according to the marketing info), so I try to take it with my meals. In short, everyone who has not seen me for a while says I lost a lot of weight, can't complain!
 
kisaj said:
I responded very well to Follidrone and yes I did rep for BLR when this first came out, but regardless I was buying my own bottles of it because I enjoyed it. I did try another brand without the same results, but not far off.

To me , (-)-epicatechin is a great product for improved endurance and strength building, as well being good for you. I found improved lipid levels after taking it on two separate labs. My lifts improved and recovery was very noticeable.

That being said, I could not justify spending the money on it as the difference in improvement I saw over citrulline/agmatine/creatine stack was marginal, but quite a bit more expensive. So I would say it is a good product and ingredient, just pricier than I like to see.
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Have you tried Folidrone 2.0?
 
Darkhorse192 said:
forgive me if this has been asked or comes across as lazy, but has their been a consolidated general recommendations for running a FD2.0 cycle based on those first few runs that folks have done?...i.e. dosing / timing / negative sides to heads up for and anything to prevent or counter those sides?

if not, Ill just go back through all of the logs and figure it out...thanks mates
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I have been running Folidrone 2.0 for quite a while now at 3-6 caps per day ...one with each meal and more on higher carb days. The effects noticed at 3 caps are simply more pronounced as additional caps are added. Beyond the marketed benefits, I notice my body and mind more relaxed (less inflammation) and my recovery is like nothing i have ever tried. Which is quite welcome in my 40's. Had a little GI stress on my first bottle, but it did nt re-occur with subsequent bottles sometimes with 2-3 week breaks in between.
 
kisaj said:
I responded very well to Follidrone and yes I did rep for BLR when this first came out, but regardless I was buying my own bottles of it because I enjoyed it. I did try another brand without the same results, but not far off.

To me , (-)-epicatechin is a great product for improved endurance and strength building, as well being good for you. I found improved lipid levels after taking it on two separate labs. My lifts improved and recovery was very noticeable.

That being said, I could not justify spending the money on it as the difference in improvement I saw over citrulline/agmatine/creatine stack was marginal, but quite a bit more expensive. So I would say it is a good product and ingredient, just pricier than I like to see.
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Love to read your posts. You're one of the few posters I pay close attention to. Did you ever try FD2 or is it FD OG you're referring to? Bigsmall beat me to it?
 
You also have to realize that if you are eating, sleeping, and training properly - YOUR STRENGTH/BODY-COMP ARE GOING TO IMPROVE ANYWAY (Unless very advanced). So it then just comes down to how much, and how fast, the improvement came. How much better than natural progression, and at what co$t?

All the claims for -(-)Epi need to be backed up with numbers/time frame to have any meaning - and the better the method, the more weight it will carry. "I got stronger" is no help - everyone gets stronger with training.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
You also have to realize that if you are eating, sleeping, and training properly - YOUR STRENGTH/BODY-COMP ARE GOING TO IMPROVE ANYWAY (Unless very advanced). So it then just comes down to how much, and how fast, the improvement came. How much better than natural progression, and at what co$t?

All the claims for -(-)Epi need to be backed up with numbers/time frame to have any meaning - and the better the method, the more weight it will carry.
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It was worth it for me.
 
I've never logged a product before but this is making me want to get super technical and log it. Starting weight, measurements, calorie intake and weights used during workouts. Plus pictures of before and every couple of weeks to follow while using it. I'm sure i'll have a good gauge to its effectiveness because I've been in a calorie surplus for 2.5 months and slowly gaining and its pretty consistent right now.
 
hiimnotcool said:
I've never logged a product before but this is making me want to get super technical and log it. Starting weight, measurements, calorie intake and weights used during workouts. Plus pictures of before and every couple of weeks to follow while using it. I'm sure i'll have a good gauge to its effectiveness because I've been in a calorie surplus for 2.5 months and slowly gaining and its pretty consistent right now.
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Start measuring now and for another month to get a baseline, then start -(-)Epi. It needs to be compared to what you'd achieve without it, first. Ideally, you'd stop everything else, but we know that won't happen, so just list every single supplement you take instead - some stuff could be synergistic.

-(-)Epi *is* awesome for some stuff - my only "beef" (LOL) with it, is all the pictures of Myostatin Inhibited Animals being used to push it - that's the only area where I personally (used it for over 4 months IIRC) think it's BS.

*And this is for any product containing it, not picking on Follidrone - it just happens to be the title of the thread.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Start measuring now and for another month to get a baseline, then start -(-)Epi. It needs to be compared to what you'd achieve without it, first. Ideally, you'd stop everything else, but we know that won't happen, so just list every single supplement you take instead - some stuff could be synergistic.

-(-)Epi *is* awesome for some stuff - my only "beef" (LOL) with it, is all the pictures of Myostatin Inhibited Animals being used to push it - that's the only area where I personally (used it for over 4 months IIRC) think it's BS.

*And this is for any product containing it, not picking on Follidrone - it just happens to be the title of the thread.
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Those pictures are of genetically modified animals in a lab. As far as I know there is no such thing as a supplement that actually blocks or inhibits myostatin. Supplement companies have created many products that supposedly block myostatin but most of them have came and went.

It is VERY rare for the entire bodybuilding community to come to a general consensus on a product, like they have with creatine. Time will tell whether or not that will happen with epicatechin.
 
Epi has been a novel ingredient for awhile now and it seems only a handful of companies jumped in to offer other options to OG Follidrone. Now that it is becoming more readily available, I would guess that we may start seeing more studies and discussion. I am already noticing it happen more where I see more threads on it.
 
210LBS said:
It is VERY rare for the entire bodybuilding community to come to a general consensus on a product, like they have with creatine. Time will tell whether or not that will happen with epicatechin.
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And even that doesn't work for everyone.

As for marketing, I don't care.
 
kisaj said:
Epi has been a novel ingredient for awhile now and it seems only a handful of companies jumped in to offer other options to OG Follidrone. Now that it is becoming more readily available, I would guess that we may start seeing more studies and discussion. I am already noticing it happen more where I see more threads on it.
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Exactly. It really comes down to sales. If sales continue to rise then more companies are going to pick it up. And then from there the price will drop so they will start to make "proprietary blends" with it which cost more money but "enhance" your results.
 
210LBS said:
Exactly. It really comes down to sales. If sales continue to rise then more companies are going to pick it up. And then from there the price will drop so they will start to make "proprietary blends" with it which cost more money but "enhance" your results.
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I have a novel thought. Don't use it. It causes your muscles to swell up.

Jk. This thread needed something. Now put a smile on that face of yours!

:D
 
210LBS said:
Those pictures are of genetically modified animals in a lab. As far as I know there is no such thing as a supplement that actually blocks or inhibits myostatin. Supplement companies have created many products that supposedly block myostatin but most of them have came and went.

It is VERY rare for the entire bodybuilding community to come to a general consensus on a product, like they have with creatine. Time will tell whether or not that will happen with epicatechin.
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The animals aren't genetically modified. Belgian blue bulls and the muscular whippet dogs are real. They naturally have lower myostatin levels, hence their bulky, muscular appearance. Which is why they are used in advertising for myostatin lowering supplements
 
ryane87 said:
The animals aren't genetically modified. Belgian blue bulls and the muscular whippet dogs are real. They naturally have lower myostatin levels, hence their bulky, muscular appearance. Which is why they are used in advertising for myostatin lowering supplements
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Yeah those are natural genetic mutations. But I am pretty sure scientists have genetically modified mice and dogs like this before.
 
ucheoma said:
Hmmm. All these new posters with a zealous love of FD2? Is it just me???
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No. I told him to have people sign up, post a couple hundred times, establish some credibility, then start a log and lie their ass off.


I can't believe I got busted.





:rolleyes:
 
My wife has noticed yuge differences in my physique and wants to start. :D

Just look at my avatar. Hmmm? Nice. No?

One more log coming at you soon enough. I wonder if their is a family discount from BLR.

:D

You're right. It's just too good to be true. All placebo. This isn't the supplement your looking for. Move along.

Jedi Mind Trick.
 
ucheoma said:
Hmmm. All these new posters with a zealous love of FD2? Is it just me???
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Well, it is a thread asking about the effectiveness of follidrone. Just saying.
 
HIT4ME said:
Well, it is a thread asking about the effectiveness of follidrone. Just saying.
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Shhh. That's what we want him to believe. -=Dashes off... cape blowing in the breeze. Well if there was a breeze it would be flowing.
 
lol, ugh i'm getting this but also test1fy and or1gin at the same time. never ran FD 2.0 though so might have to just take that for 8 weeks by itself. i really wanna start the or1gin andd test1fy ASAP though, but i've never run those either so it would be a hodgepodge. if i got great gains i wouldn't know what to attribute it to then i'd have to buy all 3 everytime i ran a stack lmao
 
bigsmall said:
Anyone heard of any non or mediocre only responders to FD2?
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I would say that there are non-responders to every supplement. That being said, on this board, there doesn't seem to be too many unhappy users
 
bigsmall said:
Anyone heard of any non or mediocre only responders to FD2?
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I thought I read one or two but they were not from FD2, rather from another source of -(-epi).

I'm not certain of the duration of use but recall only a week prior to ending the supp use as non responsive.
 
bigsmall said:
Anyone heard of any non or mediocre only responders to FD2?
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There are a couple of people on this thread who posted saying they experienced no results. As far as I've seen from internet reviews the reviews seem to vary across the board - no results, mediocre results, and great results. The most common benefit I've seen reported on the internet is increase in endurance. In my personal life, I haven't come across anyone who has heard of it.
 
210LBS said:
There are a couple of people on this thread who posted saying they experienced no results. As far as I've seen from internet reviews the reviews seem to vary across the board - no results, mediocre results, and great results. The most common benefit I've seen reported on the internet is increase in endurance. In my personal life, I haven't come across anyone who has heard of it.
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Most people won't. Most people aren't on forums like this educating themselves. Supplement shops sell the crap out of sarms and phs to unsuspecting people. Those same people aren't going to know about most -epi- products
 
Admin said:
No. I told him to have people sign up, post a couple hundred times, establish some credibility, then start a log and lie their ass off.


I can't believe I got busted.





:rolleyes:
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Bush did 9/11
 
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