Foamy urine

ManOfTheNorth

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I've had very foamy urine for the past week or so. Much more foam than the usual few bubbles.

I ran osta for 7 weeks and I'm following it immediately with andros. I'm about to start my 4th week of the andros. On the first few days of the andros, I had bad anxiety and transient blood pressure spikes. My bp returned to normal levels during the first week and the anxiety gradually stopped. No lethargy or other sides at the moment. Only the foamy urine.

Should I have blood tests done or is it sufficient to get a test kit for checking if there is protein in the piss? Or just ignore it?

I drink plenty of water and urine color is almost clear. Andro dose is 340 mg for 1/4 and 600 mg for epi.
 
Yeah, you are reading it right. 7 weeks of osta followed by andros. If you search the forum, there are others who have done the same.
 
Total cycle length would be 14 weeks with the original plan and 12 weeks if I end up stopping the andros at 5 weeks.

Osta shouldn't stress the kidneys and my liver values were still in range at the end of osta. ALT was at the top of the range, but still in range.
 
I was waiting to see if someone said anything. So I've had the same issue since earlier in the year. My doctor said it's mainly from a high protein diet. My kidney function is normal, and my liver enzymes aren't too high either. Just get your bloods and see what happens. Coq10 and choline & inositol will at least help with maintenance. But definitely check things out with your doc
 
Well the only reasons in this case could be that the HPTA takes a longer time to recover and possible liver toxicity. However, blood tests confirmed that my liver was fine after the osta.

LAH813 said:
You understand why that isn't a good idea right
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You said in another thread:

LAH813 said:
I know low dose ostarine has muscle sparing properties and can be taken for multiple months at a time.
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Now how is 7 weeks of low dose osta + 7 weeks of andros worse than what you are suggesting? You are suggesting an even longer cycle than my 14 weeks.
 
Nac said:
Others have done it? Sweet, that must make it a good idea!
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The risks are greater, but there is also more to gain. My research indicated that shutdown and minor liver toxicity should be the only problems I might encounter. I made the decision to run the andros when my liver tests were ok at the end of the osta.

If my foamy urine comes from the andros, it's likely I would have developed it anyway without the osta. In that case, cycle length probably has nothing to do with it.
 
Rather than criticizing my cycle length, please give good reasons why it's not a good idea. Something more detailed than "long cycles of orals is bad". Liver toxicity was not an issue with osta and I was under the impression that it shouldn't be with the andros.

My total cycle length is 10 weeks at the moment and I could end my cycle sooner than I planned. I'm open to suggestions.
 
tyga tyga said:
Is it always foamy or specific times of the day?
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I drink lots of water so I have to take a piss quite frequently. I haven't counted, but maybe 3 out 4 I have lots of foam and occasionally it's almost normal. I don't think there is much difference first thing in the morning.
 
Remember, amount of water consumed, pressure while pushing and how long you've waited to actually urinate will dictate urine too.

I wouldn't fret. However, I would go to the doctor and get an opinion on the matter.
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
Rather than criticizing my cycle length, please give good reasons why it's not a good idea.
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ManOfTheNorth said:
The risks are greater, but there is also more to gain. My research indicated that shutdown and minor liver toxicity should be the only problems I might encounter. I made the decision to run the andros when my liver tests were ok at the end of the osta.

If my foamy urine comes from the andros, it's likely I would have developed it anyway without the osta. In that case, cycle length probably has nothing to do with it.
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My apologies, I assumed you were being an ignorant sheep but it appears youve delved into the risks more thoroughly.
 
Nac said:
My apologies, I assumed you were being an ignorant sheep but it appears youve delved into the risks more thoroughly.
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Yeah, no problem. My cycle is not the most common one. I'm not surprised it raises questions :).

I started with a very successful cut and now I'm recomping. I haven't got much out of the andros yet, so I would like to run it at least a week or two more. However, health has to come first.
 
Status update. I decided to start pct on wednesday. I'm fairly happy with my results and I want to play it safe. I'm 6 kg lighter and I added 4 reps to my 10 rep max on the bench press. I'm dropping volume and focusing on strength now in pct.

I was planning to do blood tests few weeks after pct. I haven't been to the doctor yet. If the foam doesn't clear over the weekend, I will book an appointment.

I'm having clomid, Hydra head six, tomatidine and a natty test booster.

I started to get pct symptoms today. Libido is gone, I feel cold inside and have bouts of anxiety and nausea. I hope my hormones balance out soon
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
Urine is back to normal after upping water intake. I'm having kidney labs on friday just to be sure.
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That doesn't really mean anything significant in the cause of proteinuria or microalbumuria because you are just diluting the concentration of particles thus lowering the specific gravity most likely close to 1.005 making the detection of protein and albumin in the urine less sensitive due to dilution to the reaction in the air so when it hits the water creating less or no foam.

When the nephrons of the kidney become impaired which can occur most commonly in bodybuilding and steroids from temporary increases in high blood pressure, the filtering networks become damaged. Think of a coffee filter. Protein particles are to large to fit through, but the filter becomes damaged and now protein can slip through which is NOT good and is NEVER okay or acceptable even with a high protein diet, it should NEVER happen. Now you get protein in your urine, and foamy urine.

Your kidneys do not repair themselves.. all you can do is correct the problem and prevent it from getting worse. LOWER BLOOD PRESSURE.


I don't have high blood pressure yet I run two blood pressure medications daily, an ARB & an Alpha/Beta Blocker. Strictly to PREVENT kidney issues and left ventricular remodeling.

Hopefully its nothing, but I would request from your doctor as far as labwork goes,

1. Cystatin C (MOST important kidney lab value) Your pcp might not even no what it is, just tell him to order it
2. Creatinine & BUN (Less sensitive because diet and muscle can alter these, cystatin c is a bodybuilders kidney value)

Upping water is just a bandaid for the kidneys..
 
Even in the first days, my blood pressure was only elevated during day time. It came down to ideal in the morning. I have hard time believing that could have caused any permanent damage. I'm more concerned about possible nephrotoxic properties of 1-andro. Maybe it can cause problems in some people.
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
I have urine dip sticks and my morning urine test came back negative for protein even though there was some foam.
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That is a potential good sign, although they are not sensitive for early stage kidney damage associated with steroid use, in terms of microalbumuria which can not be detected, only proteinuria can on dipstick. Albumins are smaller protein particles and are the first to slip through.

What was your specific gravity?
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
Even in the first days, my blood pressure was only elevated during day time. It came down to ideal in the morning. I have hard time believing that could have caused any permanent damage. I'm more concerned about possible nephrotoxic properties of 1-andro. Maybe it can cause problems in some people.
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If I had to guess, your fine.. tbh. But its better to take it serious and rule anything out because your kidneys do not regenerate.. which sucks.. working in healthcare and understanding it all.. I protect my kidneys better than my liver, heart, lungs, etc. there are far my treatments available for all of those organs than the kidneys. Kidneys, its dialysis which is a horrid life, or transplant which really isn't any better..

IMO, get on an Ace/arb and protect those fukers
 
criticalbench said:
That is a potential good sign, although they are not sensitive for early stage kidney damage associated with steroid use, in terms of microalbumuria which can not be detected, only proteinuria can on dipstick. Albumins are smaller protein particles and are the first to slip through.

What was your specific gravity?
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I can't measure gravity. My dip sticks have color ranges for acidity, glucose and protein. Glucose reading was "normal", protein was "negative" and pH was 5. I googled it and that's too acidic? What does it tell?

I did three measurements with same results today. First one was morning urine.

Lower range for albumin detection is 6 mg / dL.
 
I will have to wait until next week if I want cystatin c lab work. I have to do it at another lab. Should I just measure creatinine and urea or wait until next wednesday?
 
I googled and it seems that acidic urine might cause foam. Is this true and is it a reason for concern? Maybe something wrong with my diet? Or could it indicate organ damage? I'm not taking medications besides clomid for pct.
 
Did more googling and apparently a burning feeling while urinating was a common side effect with the old 1-ad. Might possibly be due to acidity? Andros are metabolized to the same compound.
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
I can't measure gravity. My dip sticks have color ranges for acidity, glucose and protein. Glucose reading was "normal", protein was "negative" and pH was 5. I googled it and that's too acidic? What does it tell?

I did three measurements with same results today. First one was morning urine.

Lower range for albumin detection is 6 mg / dL.
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It means you eat a high protein diet and not enough veggies :D lol .. nothing overlying concerning unless you are a believer in the research that an acidic body leads to cancer.
 
ManOfTheNorth said:
I will have to wait until next week if I want cystatin c lab work. I have to do it at another lab. Should I just measure creatinine and urea or wait until next wednesday?
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First, see what your creatinine and BUN levels are. What are your stats, how much muscle mass are you truly carrying. That will determine how much of an oddball you are and how far out of the norm you are to determine if you really should be getting bodybuilder specific lab work.. For instance, i compete on the national stage.. im 5`2, 190lb currently with a 6 pack.. fairly large.. standard stuff doesn't work for me.
 
I'm 178 cm / 80 kg / about 14 % bf. Creatinine has been quite low in previous lab work, but I don't remember the results. I don't have them here. Creatinine test is cheaper, so I will do it instead of cystatin c if it's sufficient with my stats.
 
criticalbench said:
It means you eat a high protein diet and not enough veggies :D lol .. nothing overlying concerning unless you are a believer in the research that an acidic body leads to cancer.
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Hmm maybe this is just due to a diet change. The first 7 weeks of the cycle I was cutting and having a super clean diet with lots of veggies. When I started the andros, I increased calories and dairy consumption. My diet hasn't been as healthy.

Well, it's good to have labs anyway.
 
Some update. I took creatinine and night urine microalbuminuria tests. BUN is not measured in my country. If I remember right, whole urea is measured instead of just the nitrogen component. Anyway, it's not a typical test here, so I left it out. Creatinine was only silghtly elevated since my last summer reading, but it could be due to few kg of more muscle mass.

Creatinine was 78 umol / l. It gives an estimated gfr 110.4 mL/min/1.73m² or 103.8 mL/min/1.73m² depending on the used equation. Looks good. I think I'm fine.

Urine test results might be ready tomorrow.
 
I wish I could comprehend those results but we measure lab values in completely different measurements..
 
Thanks for getting me concerned. I wouldn't have know I need to check for albumin. Anyway, I think I'm done cycling. The sides make me feel terrible and it's not worth the risk. I'm having a tough time with clomid and I didn't feel good on the andros either. Osta was ok.
 
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