Five deca zol

Rutdog

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I'm new here so don't squash me for asking for a bit of advice:)
I was givin a bottle of five deca zol and one bottle of test oxo both made by complete nutrition. I'm 31. When I was 26 I cycled superdrol by anabolic extreme for three weeks. Followed by their retain and some Nolvadex. It was great! I gained around 15 lbs after it was all said and done with no major side effects. Five deca zol is superdrol and halodrol. I don't know how it compares potency to the AX superdrol but figured I'd try it since my buddy left it with me. Optimum nutrition recommends a 4-6 week cycle of this stuff.. I'm gonna run a three week. 20-30-30 They also recommend the test oxo during the three week cycle wich I think is correct. I don't want limp **** and I think this is what the extra test is for... Correct?? I have a three week supply of Clomid and plenty of Nolvadex so I think I'm coverd there. I will be getting some liver therapy this week. I just started this cycle yesterday. Any advice would be great. Thanks!
 
you will want good liver support since sd and halo are both methyls. you should take some other support supps for general health as well. cycle support seems to really cover all bases for that.
 
whats in your bottle of 3-test-oxo.

looks like there is an older version which contained 6-oxo, and a new all natural version that doesn't.

other than that, your cycle outline looks fine. you dont need cycle support, but if you have the cash for it, it wouldn't hurt.
 
jbryand101b said:
whats in your bottle of 3-test-oxo.

looks like there is an older version which contained 6-oxo, and a new all natural version that doesn't.

other than that, your cycle outline looks fine. you dont need cycle support, but if you have the cash for it, it wouldn't hurt.
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I'll do some checking on the 3-test oxo.. What type of cycle support do you recommend? Other than lifting hard and eating protien I've been out of the supplement seen for awhile now. Thanks for your help!
 
One more thing. I'm only three days into this and the past two days I've been exhausted. I hate it because I want to be fired up when it comes time to lift and I'm just dead.. Maybe it's just in my head but my diet and sleep habits are the same :(
 
Rutdog said:
I'll do some checking on the 3-test oxo.. What type of cycle support do you recommend? Other than lifting hard and eating protien I've been out of the supplement seen for awhile now. Thanks for your help!
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I dont know, I dont really use on cycle support supplements.
 
Rutdog said:
One more thing. I'm only three days into this and the past two days I've been exhausted. I hate it because I want to be fired up when it comes time to lift and I'm just dead.. Maybe it's just in my head but my diet and sleep habits are the same :(
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sounds like lethargy from the sd, though it's pretty early in the cycle.

you could try increasing the carbs, or taking a good energy supplement pre workout.

I'm using lit up right now, I have a log somewhere here on it. it's pretty good stuff. Taste is amazing.

My default pre workout product is jacked. 2 scoops, and intstant energy.

take your pre workout on an empty stomach for fastest absorbtion.
 
jbryand101b said:
whats in your bottle of 3-test-oxo.

looks like there is an older version which contained 6-oxo, and a new all natural version that doesn't.

other than that, your cycle outline looks fine. you dont need cycle support, but if you have the cash for it, it wouldn't hurt.
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Wait why doesn't he need cycle support? I thought that was a must?
 
not really, cycle support is only a must for the paranoid health nut. and then, those that just follow the crowd instead of actually doing research & real experience.

I personally havn't seen any difference in my post cycle blood work with cycle support, and without it. so I've opted to not use any on cycle.

now, post cycle, i'll use it alog with other healthy habbits to make sure I get everything back to normal.

I'm already a very healthy individual, but if you aren't totally healthy, or dont know if you are, then you may not even want to be using steroids.

cycle support could be a good thing, but it isn't needed. I look at it as a personal choice.
 
About being tired... I do take a preworkout drink. I really like jack3d but talking blitz from
Complete nutrition now and it's seems about the same. I have actually carb loaded lately but I eat lots of carbs most of the time anyway. I guess maybe just the new chemicals in me and the high doses of protien could be slowing me down..
Also can I overdo my PCT? I'm planning on nova 40-40-20-10 and Clomid 300 first day then 100-75-50 Does this sound ok or is it overkill? Thanks again
 
well, you'll just have to push through it. when im on strong compounds like sd, I'm lethargic before I start lifting, then once I get going, I dont want to quit, so hopefully it'll be the same for you. just have to push through it. think of the gains!

as far as the pct goes. there is no need to go that high with clomid. 50mg e/d will be fine.

most people will say to pick one serm, but I dont see any harm in running both nolva & clomid.

william llewellyn recomends combining nolva, clomid, and hcg in his pct plan, which is backed up with studies and proven track record from leading hrt doc dealing with steroids.
 
jbryand101b said:
not really, cycle support is only a must for the paranoid health nut. and then, those that just follow the crowd instead of actually doing research & real experience.

I personally havn't seen any difference in my post cycle blood work with cycle support, and without it. so I've opted to not use any on cycle.

now, post cycle, i'll use it alog with other healthy habbits to make sure I get everything back to normal.

I'm already a very healthy individual, but if you aren't totally healthy, or dont know if you are, then you may not even want to be using steroids.

cycle support could be a good thing, but it isn't needed. I look at it as a personal choice.
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Appreciate the knowledge drop :). I unfortunately get high bp from a product as weak as lg sciences m1d so I'll have to use it once I start my first real cycle of hdrol
 
I've got my energy back! Yesterdays workout was awesome!!

One new worrie though.. Last time I ran superdrol I did develop a bit of gyno behind my right nipple. It has remained painful since and it a bit noticeable but not enough to worrie about. My wife is the only one who notices it.. It feels like it's swollen more yesterday and today than it has for a very long time!??!! Should I be concerned?
 
Haha! Well what can I do now while on the superdrol? It's not bothering me at all today but last night it was very tender... Only five days into the three week cycle. I know the Clomid will knock it down but that's not for another two weeks.. I'd like to keep it from flaring up at all
 
do you have an aromatase inhibitor product? or anything more androgenic than sd or hd. like androhard, the one, dimethazine?
 
I noticed when I upped my water and carb intake on sd that my exhaustion eased quite a bit. I also noticed adding in a lot more fruit/ and juice severely lessend all sides. Especially acne. On a side note F&%K complete nutrition. They sell superdrol to kids and don't know s&$t about what they are selling and have no idea about true pct. They are one reason many drugs will get banned. And actually they are one of reasons pro-diennolone got banned. That and dumb consumers
 
jbryand101b said:
do you have an aromatase inhibitor product? or anything more androgenic than sd or hd. like androhard, the one, dimethazine?
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Nolvadex is a aromatase inhibitor.. I don't want to start it till after the superdrol though right? Or can I start it now?
 
:facepalm:

nolvadex is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (serm), not an aromatase inhibitor.

an aromatase inhibitor would prevent androgens like androstenedione & testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen.

a serm will bind to the estrogen receptor blocking it from actual estrogen.

common otc ai's are 6-bromo, topical formestane, atd, 6-oxo, and whatever is in erase.

I suggest you start reading up on gyno. spend about, 20 hours reading about it.

maybe start with "the truth about gyno" when you google.

that subject carries way to much info for me to even want to type about for free.
 
Thanks for your help! I picked up 6 oxo this afternoon after talking to Another friend of mine. This will prolly be my last cycle ever even though I do feel great now.. Feel the best I've felt in a long time. Thanks again
 
Would it hurt to take 5mg of Nolvadex a day during my cycle? Just thought maybe help prevent any more gyno..
 
I've been reading so much about gyno my eyes are about to bleed! I have a fairly good understanding now but with so many differnt opinions it's tuff to decide what to do at this point! I've read I should not have started this second cycle. I'm aware of that now and will have to deal with it. About five years ago I did develope a small lump under my right nipple after a superdrol cycle. Nothing much to bother me until I started this second cycle.
I'm on day nine of complete nutritions 5deca zol wich is superdrol and haladrol. They also recommend test oxo while on the cycle wich is a test booster... Wich doesn't make sense. Do I need a test booster with superdrol???
My friend failed me on the 6oxo. I know I need a Aromatose inhibitor but havnt had any luck the past weekend finding somthing. I'm on day 9 of a 21 day cycle and my right titt is pretty sore and swollen. I need to make a decision.

Could the test booster be a cause? Or just lack of an AI? And are there any comin OTC AI's I could get quickly at a local store like GNC?..

Should I stop the cycle and run my Clomid and Nolvadex?

The lump that exist now I can deal with but any growth is going to hurt :(
 
Here's what's in the 3 test oxo they stay to take with the 5 Deca Zol:

*Anabolic Activator Stack: (5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Iosflavone, Rhaponticum Carthamoides, Muira Puama, Tonngkat All, Ajuga Turkestanica) =25mg
*Triple Threat Testosterone Stack: (German Tribulus Terrestris (Saponins & Protodioscin) =1450 mg
*6'7' dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) =50mg
*Anti-Estrogen: (Chrysin, DIM, Red Clover extract) =15mg
 
yea, there is no ai in there, and also no reason to use it on cycle.

google 6-bromo, then click on shopping. buy a bottle to dose at 50mg e/d.
 
I ended up buying some ATD made by chaparral labs. Should be here by thursday. Thanks again for your help jbry. Hope this helps me out. I couldnt find a plain 6 bromo with no additives, And it was expensive. Should i do anything differnt in the meantime while waiting on the ATD? Continue the superdrol? Small dose of Nolvadex or Clomid? Thanks
 
atd will def significantly reduce your estrogen levels. Nolvadex targets specifically the breast tissue, so possibly a low dose wouldn't hurt.

It's hard to say, gyno is cause from a disruption in your bodies hormonal balance. It is going to vary person to person. What works for me, most likely will not work for you.

The only way to know is either numerous blood test, (in which you would need pre cycle basline numbers) or through old fashioned trial and error.

That is why you see so many different ideas on what to do to prevent, get rid of it. I, or anyone else can toss out ideas, but your pretty much going to have to find out for yourself on that.

Sorry bro, that is the biggest potential risk of steroids, hormonal disruption is a b*tch to get back on track once it's f*cked up.
 
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