Fish Oil Bad? New Article

rodefeeh

rodefeeh

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I would like an excuse to stop paying $20 a month for fish oil.

Any thoughts on the article?
 
Most fish oil supps don't have anywhere near enough DHA in them to be effective. The most popular and cheapest brands won't do much for people. Especially if the rest of the diet is trash lol .

I go for a gram of DHA per day in supps and then lots of fatty fish. The study isn't great quality either as far as I can tell.
 
The link between seed/vegetable oils and becoming fat and dumb vs animal fats making you healthy and smarter is very solid
 
Every few years I feel like something like this pops up and there's usually very poor information Or lack of evidence to back it up.

I shoot for 3g combined epa and dha on top of my diet intake
 
I also have a question to everyone about studies and articles. You guys do realize that Articles and studies are proof of nothing correct? If a study came out tomorrow that said it proves fish oil is bad, Do you really think that one study or handful of studies is gonna negate the last thirty years of studies that say it's good for you? Five million studies magically become nullified from one study? Or maybe studies are just studies.
 
Junk study. That group isn't us; ppl who follow strict diet and an exercise routine. So many others issues could have caused that result. From diet to shitty fish oil with other stuff added, that is actually unhealthy.
 
I was expecting to get replies like this - plenty of studies saying it is good. I appreciate everyone's comments!
 
Something I always consider is how many people start taking something like fish oil and then they actually lead an even unhealthier lifestyle due to the "protection" they now believe they have? Not saying everyone does this but I could absolutely see this happening. We see it all the time with PED's, guys get even sloppier with diet and training as the drugs will carry them across the finish line so to speak.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Something I always consider is how many people start taking something like fish oil and then they actually lead an even unhealthier lifestyle due to the "protection" they now believe they have? Not saying everyone does this but I could absolutely see this happening. We see it all the time with PED's, guys get even sloppier with diet and training as the drugs will carry them across the finish line so to speak.
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Ive always felt a lot of the health problems that gen pop on steroids sees is due to ppl eating trash while taking steroids and its a 1+1=(-3)
 
My thoughts have mostly been covered by others in the thread.

This 'study' isn't really a study so much as them looking at other studies and there is really no control variable - they asked x amount of people and they said they took fish oil over that period of time.

Let's be honest - how many people say they take something consistently that don't? What is the definition of consistently as criteria for this article? 51% of the time? There just doesn't seem to be any way to verify it.

Plus, I say this a lot - we live in a world where there are so many studies, looking at the abundance of evidence is important. If you have hundreds, maybe thousands of studies, showing that something is beneficial and then one or two showing it isn't, then I tend to believe the large number that show the benefits and especially if those studies have better controls.

There's also the big issue of brand quality - someone can take fish oil and get very little of the active ingredients that are helpful like EPA and DHA depending on the type that they take. It's not fish oil that matters, its the amount of EPA and DHA and basic over the counter cheapo generic brands usually have little to no EPA/DHA content.

So I actually wouldn't expect to see the same benefits from supplementing with a low EPA/DHA fish oil as a high content one anyway.

And btw... I'm not defending fish oil, just stating the facts. I actually don't take fish oil myself. When I used to, I use NOW Foods Ultra Omega bc it was the highest % EPA/DHA I could find and it hurt my stomach less than other brands. But, I hate the taste of fish and I missed as many or more dosages than I took (going back to my comments on being honest about consistency of use).

I now take a potent Algal oil supplement that has a high DHA content - no fish taste, no stomach upset, etc. It costs a little more, but it helps me be consistent with my dosages.
 
rodefeeh said:
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I would like an excuse to stop paying $20 a month for fish oil.

Any thoughts on the article?
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I agree with everyone saying fish oil is actually good for us, and wish I could take it. But, after trying various brands over the years, varying dosages, etc, I’ve come to the conclusion it’s not for me. Every time I just feel worse overall (lethargic/lazy, lowered mood, etc).
 
“But even in the prescription strength, highly purified versions of fish oil, the risk for AFib and sometimes stroke has also been present and doctors are cautious about that,”

prescription strength... as if it has some kind of next level potency. I wish the article had attempted to address why some people feel like dogs*t taking fish oil and others dont. algae oil, it seems, mysteriously appears to get around that issue for me as well
 
thescience said:
“But even in the prescription strength, highly purified versions of fish oil, the risk for AFib and sometimes stroke has also been present and doctors are cautious about that,”

prescription strength... as if it has some kind of next level potency. I wish the article had attempted to address why some people feel like dogs*t taking fish oil and others dont. algae oil, it seems, mysteriously appears to get around that issue for me as well
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Not disagreeing with you, but explaining the why part of your question.

In my opinion, that article was really just a click bait type piece with a headline meant to get attention moreso than to present any valid information. The title of it alone showed that and there was really nothing presented in that article that was meant to be objective.

There are definitely different strengths and potencies of the constituents in fish oil - but the article did nothing to explain what it was even talking about or why any type would be better or worse than another.

I think a lot of people in general, and probably the author of that article don't even realize that its not about the amount of fish oil that you take, its the amount of EPA and DHA that is important. A person could take 10 grams a day of fish oil by one brand and not get the level of EPA and DHA in 2 grams by another. I don't take Fish Oil, but when I did, that's why I would take the NOW Foods Ultra Omega because it delivered the most EPA and DHA for the least amount of total grams fish oil.

I'm kind of glad that article didn't even attempt to address why some people feel bad when taking fish oil while most people don't, because the truthful answer there is that no one really knows; so all they would have been doing is guessing anyway.

I have theories on the answer to that myself, but they're only theories. In my mind, as it applies to me personally, I'm fairly sure I'm right, but I can't say that for 100% sure which is why I don't generally discuss them.

I know for me personally, I feel better with Algal Oil BUT there is getting to be a real problem with BS Algal Oil too - brands rushing to capitalize on it and not meeting label claims, and brands just going for total algal oil dose and meaningless concentrations of DHA/EPA. I personally use Nature's Way Algal Oil myself.

I've thought about doing one under SNS, but the category is so saturated with BS ones and low concentration ones, that I'm not sure enough people really understand the importance of what's in it versus the total grams, for it to sell well.
 
sns8778 said:
Not disagreeing with you, but explaining the why part of your question.

In my opinion, that article was really just a click bait type piece with a headline meant to get attention moreso than to present any valid information. The title of it alone showed that and there was really nothing presented in that article that was meant to be objective.

There are definitely different strengths and potencies of the constituents in fish oil - but the article did nothing to explain what it was even talking about or why any type would be better or worse than another.

I think a lot of people in general, and probably the author of that article don't even realize that its not about the amount of fish oil that you take, its the amount of EPA and DHA that is important. A person could take 10 grams a day of fish oil by one brand and not get the level of EPA and DHA in 2 grams by another. I don't take Fish Oil, but when I did, that's why I would take the NOW Foods Ultra Omega because it delivered the most EPA and DHA for the least amount of total grams fish oil.

I'm kind of glad that article didn't even attempt to address why some people feel bad when taking fish oil while most people don't, because the truthful answer there is that no one really knows; so all they would have been doing is guessing anyway.

I have theories on the answer to that myself, but they're only theories. In my mind, as it applies to me personally, I'm fairly sure I'm right, but I can't say that for 100% sure which is why I don't generally discuss them.

I know for me personally, I feel better with Algal Oil BUT there is getting to be a real problem with BS Algal Oil too - brands rushing to capitalize on it and not meeting label claims, and brands just going for total algal oil dose and meaningless concentrations of DHA/EPA. I personally use Nature's Way Algal Oil myself.

I've thought about doing one under SNS, but the category is so saturated with BS ones and low concentration ones, that I'm not sure enough people really understand the importance of what's in it versus the total grams, for it to sell well.
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you talking about natures way nutravege omega-3 plant? how is the capsule strength on those. the brand i got burst and im dealing with concerns over contaminating my workspace with the stench
 
thescience said:
you talking about natures way nutravege omega-3 plant? how is the capsule strength on those. the brand i got burst and im dealing with concerns over contaminating my workspace with the stench
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Yes. It's the best DHA/EPA content I've seen on an Algal oil softgel. That's why I really like them - taking one of them is equivalent to taking 2 or more of some of the other ones I've seen.

No issues with bursting or leaking.
 
looks like fish oil is being found with pcb, which doesnt appear to be the case with algae. i can see the need for a legit algae oil that's easier on the pocket, provided it turns out id have to be doing huge doses regularly. im putting that experiment on the back burner after seemingly have resolved so much joint issues via lactic acid reduction with 6g beta alanine daily. cant believe i never got around to taking this stuff
 
Resolve10 said:
Beta Alanine for joint issues?
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im sort of assuming right now from the response im getting from it that i have high lactic acid. i dont think a guy with a normal amount of lactic acid in his system would notice the full body benefits. i suppose also the increased efficiency is assisting a number of other supplements im taking; , my NO production, libido, and energy has definitely increased
 
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Resolve10 said:
Ok ya don’t want to get too off topic in this thread.

I know there is a lot of preliminary research on Carnosine in regards to potentially helping that (and other areas) and that Beta Alanine is probably the best way to boost Carnosine levels. I’m just trying to not get too technical because the relationships between that and lactic acid (lactic acid isn’t lactate) and how that would all interact I think is commonly misunderstood (or just most not being kept up to date).

I admit though using BA to boost Carnosine for benefits beyond what most people supplement for is pretty interesting though!
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i figure the OP is interested in pain relief, for which fish oil may not be the answer depending on the cause. yeah lactate, lactic acid, hydrogen whatever the culprit it may be that medically the emphasis is on lactic acid because physicians are focused on people who either make more than normal amounts or clear less than is necessary. i messed around with acetyl carnosine transdermally, but i regretably wasnt doing so with the idea of saturation over the course of a month laid out in beta alanine strategy. definiitely going to give a shout out for betasynth micronized beta alanine; i had another brand sitting under my tongue undissolved after 5 minutes!
 
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