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zaknlucas

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I'm 21 years old. workout 5-6 days a week heavy lifting. I'm 184lbs. 6 foot. I have a high protein low carb diet. eat about 6 times a day. I'd like to reach 205lbs. I'm new to steroids so this will be my first cycle. I'd like to start with oral. I know the side effects are bad but I'm prepared to deal with it. I was think dbol. and test e stacked. any other suggestions? Dosage?
 
Too young, too light, zero research and bad dieting experience. Dosage:

-Natty stuff
-Steakadrol
-Carbs
-Fats
-Sleep

Reach 190-200 natty , then we talk gear...anyhow everyones first run with gear shouldn't be that young and its best if its test alone...Test-E IMO...anyhow...eat, sleep, lift, sh1t and then come back in some years...let your Endocrine system grow first.
 
If been the same weight for the past three Pearland my doctor told me I have great diet for bulking up. are you a doctor? Can someone answer my question instead of pretending like they're someone who uses steroids in a responsible way? Because there is no responsible way. I'm willing to destroy my liver to.get big corns short period of time. soo yea dosage plz
 
zaknlucas said:
If been the same weight for the past three Pearland my doctor told me I have great diet for bulking up. are you a doctor? Can someone answer my question instead of pretending like they're someone who uses steroids in a responsible way? Because there is no responsible way. I'm willing to destroy my liver to.get big corns short period of time. soo yea dosage plz
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Wow you are everything this is wrong with this generation lol...Willing to pickle his liver because he is literally BAD at dieting and challenging his body?...Sad...Dude, seriously...tone down the attitude, or you'll end up down a DARK bad path...besides...there ARE responsible ways to use this, its called TRT or HRT...they weren't solely invented for BodyBuilding kiddo...and I ain't gonna slap my educational background on you...your sad post does everything for me...you are just a desperate 21 y.o. with the mind of a 12 y.o. tantrum child
 
Thanks for your advice celorza. I'm sure if i do what you say ill end up 5'3 and 138 pounds too. goodjob cheating n still being small. will anyone answer my question?
 
zaknlucas said:
Thanks for your advice celorza. I'm sure if i do what you say ill end up 5'3 and 138 pounds too. goodjob cheating n still being small. will anyone answer my question?
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Your 6'1" 185. Celorza is right. Eat. Low carbs=low growth. Your 21. Your body is still pumping high volumes of hormones. Wait on the juice. Im pretty sure the lil fella hasn't run a cycle and understands with diet and proper supplementation of the non anabolic variety he can grow.
 
zaknlucas said:
Thanks for your advice celorza. I'm sure if i do what you say ill end up 5'3 and 138 pounds too. goodjob cheating n still being small. will anyone answer my question?
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I'm 5'6" :) and if you did as I told you you would reach a transformation haha going from 180lbs to 125 in 6-7 months and getting to 7% BF from 25%+ is something I doubt with your mindset would be accomplishable by you haha. And yeah I'm 138 barely bulking up, and no need for me to juice or complain I can't grow...like I said if you can't learn to grow naturally you won't grow even on test-e and dianabol haha. And most likely just loose it all in PCT and face hard shutdown...humble up kiddo and learn to do stuff naturally this takes years not 12 weeks
 
superbeast668 said:
Your 6'1" 185. Celorza is right. Eat. Low carbs=low growth. Your 21. Your body is still pumping high volumes of hormones. Wait on the juice. Im pretty sure the lil fella hasn't run a cycle and understands with diet and proper supplementation of the non anabolic variety he can grow.
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I do thanks buddy :3 I know I'm way too young for AAS haha, besides I don't need more test in my body than my regular healthy levels ATM :p
 
Lol...here's the cycle then, go lose all in PCT and make little to no gains on cycle:

Test-E:
12 weeks at 500mg, Pin Monday and Thurday 250mg each.
In case of bloat or too high estrogen sides:
Arimidex:
.5mg EOD
Recommended to run HCG:
250ius E3D to make PCT easier

PCT:
Clomid:
100/50/50/25
AI (Erase)
0/0/3/3/2/1
DAA:
3g/3g/3g/3g/3g/3g

Cortisol control is recommended:
Lean extreme OR Reduce XT 6 weeks of PCT along with DAA and Erase.

Remember PCT STARTS 2 WEEKS AFTER LAST PIN so you give a chance for Test-E to clear out of the system.

Happy now? Go ahead...try to follow a clean diet and learn to create a surplus on the proper Macros, don't say I didn't warn you if you didn't gain much or lost everything on PCT, remember PCT is to recover, deload on PCT and keep cardio off, only for health reasons and NOT TO CUT ON PCT...
 
superbeast668 said:
Are you an idiot? Grow naturally. Eat right. Low carbs is horrible for growth.
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Let him bro..he is 21...if he wants so much , at least a cycle sketch so he doesn't **** himself up with something worse...he'll learn a valuable life lesson from this at least...
 
I am so glad to see the younger generations learning from the older ones......... Oh wait that is exactly what is not happening.
 
Gerbil said:
I am so glad to see the younger generations learning from the older ones......... Oh wait that is exactly what is not happening.
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Sadly it isn't...I wish he had heeded the advice given :(...but he didn't and well, he is gonna do it anyway, might as well be nice and help him save his little balls :/!
 
Celorza said:
Sadly it isn't...I wish he had heeded the advice given :(...but he didn't and well, he is gonna do it anyway, might as well be nice and help him save his little balls :/!
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Sometimes people learn the best the hard way...
 
Unfortunately. I can honestly say I learned the hardway but I also didnt have people telling me not to.

superbeast668 said:
Sometimes people learn the best the hard way...
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Gerbil said:
Unfortunately. I can honestly say I learned the hardway but I also didnt have people telling me not to.
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The important thing is you learned brother :) and those of us who care about you (specially Ricky, and mind I include myself) are here to tell you not to now :p! And besides, there's not a person who is more knowledgeable than you in this forum about AAS haha, well you are on par with JB and ManBeast (wherever the hell he is :/)
 
I would definitely put JB, Manbeast and a few others above me.

Celorza said:
The important thing is you learned brother :) and those of us who care about you (specially Ricky, and mind I include myself) are here to tell you not to now :p! And besides, there's not a person who is more knowledgeable than you in this forum about AAS haha, well you are on par with JB and ManBeast (wherever the hell he is :/)
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zaknlucas said:
I'm 21 years old. workout 5-6 days a week heavy lifting. I'm 184lbs. 6 foot. I have a high protein low carb diet. eat about 6 times a day. I'd like to reach 205lbs. I'm new to steroids so this will be my first cycle. I'd like to start with oral. I know the side effects are bad but I'm prepared to deal with it. I was think dbol. and test e stacked. any other suggestions? Dosage?
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Hey whats up!

Id suggest halodrol for a first timer, you can take it solo, but would be ideal if you stack it with something androgenic or a test base, or both :)
 
KenTheEagle said:
Hey whats up!

Id suggest halodrol for a first timer, you can take it solo, but would be ideal if you stack it with something androgenic or a test base, or both :)
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Are you telling a 21yo to take a ph with test?
 
zaknlucas said:
I'm 21 years old. workout 5-6 days a week heavy lifting. I'm 184lbs. 6 foot. I have a high protein low carb diet. eat about 6 times a day. I'd like to reach 205lbs. I'm new to steroids so this will be my first cycle. I'd like to start with oral. I know the side effects are bad but I'm prepared to deal with it. I was think dbol. and test e stacked. any other suggestions? Dosage?
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You are entirely too young for steroids for a number of reasons.
You haven't even scratched the surface as far as your genetic potential is concerned.
Your natural hormones at your age are already through the roof.
From the way you come across you don't sound like you are knowledgable enough about AAS to even think about a cycle.
I strongly encourage you to hold off, and really put your efforts into optimizing your diet and training.
You will be very surprised by how far you can go.
Good luck.
Peace
 
Mrpersinality said:
Are you telling a 21yo to take a ph with test?
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Im telling an adult, to take it the best way, im not his daddy, and i better advice him so he can plan it right... now, TBH i didnt read about his age, my bad for missing that part, but still he is an adult. obviously, the ideal thing would be that he better stay natural for a while. but trust me this is not always the case.
 
zaknlucas said:
Ill try to get to 195 or 200 before I start. ill eat more carve but I just really wanted to keep the abs.
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Sad if you think thats enough carbs to grow...no wonder you don't grow scrub , like I said ZERO knowledge of nutrition.
 
I think he is referring to weight could be wrong though.

Celorza said:
Sad if you think thats enough carbs to grow...no wonder you don't grow scrub , like I said ZERO knowledge of nutrition.
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toddgranit said:
You are entirely too young for steroids for a number of reasons.
You haven't even scratched the surface as far as your genetic potential is concerned.
Your natural hormones at your age are already through the roof.
From the way you come across you don't sound like you are knowledgable enough about AAS to even think about a cycle.
I strongly encourage you to hold off, and really put your efforts into optimizing your diet and training.
You will be very surprised by how far you can go.
Good luck.
Peace
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I tried telling him this...he didnt listen :(!
 
I am guessing Carve was supposed to be carbs and he doesnt know what the edit feature is yet.

Celorza said:
I thought it meant carbs since that was his next post :/!!
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Gerbil said:
I am guessing Carve was supposed to be carbs and he doesnt know what the edit feature is yet.
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Hahaha then I SURE Hope he does get to 195-200 lbs before he even tries AAS...seriously at 185 he can still gain naturally to 200lbs IMO. And it shouldnt take more than a year round bulk well performed...wouldn't you agree Gerbil?
 
I think a lot of people misunderstand the use of carbs and get crazy about it, you can still grow while taking a moderate amount of carbs and high protein diet and well balanced fat intake... is not to eat all you can to grow, is to make every calorie count :)... so to the OP, you can keep it natural, or even buy yourself Erase (you gonna love it) before you jump into steroids.
 
Well gaining has never been a problem for me. Getting a six pack however is a giant bastard child (never had one). With enough calories gaining weight should not be that difficult, assuming he is lifting heavy, and sleeping enough.


Celorza said:
Hahaha then I SURE Hope he does get to 195-200 lbs before he even tries AAS...seriously at 185 he can still gain naturally to 200lbs IMO. And it shouldnt take more than a year round bulk well performed...wouldn't you agree Gerbil?
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KenTheEagle said:
I think a lot of people misunderstand the use of carbs and get crazy about it, you can still grow while taking a moderate amount of carbs and high protein diet and well balanced fat intake... is not to eat all you can to grow, is to make every calorie count :)... so to the OP, you can keep it natural, or even buy yourself Erase (you gonna love it) before you jump into steroids.
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I agree...Erase and Anabeta would be a good place for our uneducated OP to start, as for diet:

If bulking the essentials for natural builders are:

.45-.5g of fats per pound of body weight
1 to 1.25g of protein per pound of BW
and the rest is carbs...so yeah...don't slack on the carbs and DON'T overdo it, but taking in just 2 or 3x BW on protein does NOT mean growth lol...
 
Gerbil said:
Well gaining has never been a problem for me. Getting a six pack however is a giant bastard child (never had one). With enough calories gaining weight should not be that difficult, assuming he is lifting heavy, and sleeping enough.
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If you give up your cheat meals and put your smart self into it I think you can get a pack faster than Ricky if you commit to it bro! Heck even I got a 6pack and I'm tiny and new haha
 
Don't forget water. Some people forget that muscle is mostly water, meanwhile fat not so much.
 
Gerbil said:
Don't forget water. Some people forget that muscle is mostly water, meanwhile fat not so much.
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Oh yes...a Gallon away keeps dehydration away (with your healthy dose of micronutrients and minerals of course)
 
toddgranit said:
I know.
Like I always say.
This isn't a race it's a lifestyle.
Peace
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This is one of my main beliefs :). Also, remember the thing for AAS...

Food (nutrition) are the blocks
Hormones are the workers
Training is the cement

So no matter how many WORKERS (hormones) you bring to the job, and how hard a cement you concoct (training), if you do NOT bring enough blocks into the job...no matter how much you want it...that Solid Brick Wall will never be built (ideal physique one desires) :)
 
I always preferred muscles are made in the gym, kitchen and bedroom, not the lab.

Celorza said:
This is one of my main beliefs :). Also, remember the thing for AAS...

Food (nutrition) are the blocks
Hormones are the workers
Training is the cement

So no matter how many WORKERS (hormones) you bring to the job, and how hard a cement you concoct (training), if you do NOT bring enough blocks into the job...no matter how much you want it...that Solid Brick Wall will never be built (ideal physique one desires) :)
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Gerbil said:
I always preferred muscles are made in the gym, kitchen and bedroom, not the lab.
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Agree, I like "abs are built in the kitchen and forged at the gym" too ;)
 
zaknlucas said:
Hey smartass I was referring to my weigh
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Easy on the insults, everyone here is trying to help you.
Your impatience and defensiveness betrays your lack of maturity.
You asked for advice, you don't have to listen to it, but you don't need to insult the advice givers that's bad character.
 
toddgranit said:
Easy on the insults, everyone here is trying to help you.
Your impatience and defensiveness betrays your lack of maturity.
You asked for advice, you don't have to listen to it, but you don't need to insult the advice givers that's bad character.
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It's ok...no one likes being told to wait I guess...Heck no one can hold me back when its meal time! I say I want to eat my daily macros and NO one can stop me!...oh but wait...I'm natty and do recognize I got years to go :)
 
Celorza said:
It's ok...no one likes being told to wait I guess...Heck no one can hold me back when its meal time! I say I want to eat my daily macros and NO one can stop me!...oh but wait...I'm natty and do recognize I got years to go :)
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Lifetime natty myself.
Nothing against AAS, my goals are all obtainable naturally.
Peace
 
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