First time using sarms advice?

Jaetea

Jaetea

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Hey, so just been looking into sarms.
Never tried anything like this before best ive done is your standard supplements and over the counter test boosters but have been reading into this and like the potential of use.

I jave bought a bottle of “focused nutrition elite sarms stack” mainly because it had the 3 sarms i was looking into and the dasparic acid for test.

I will be using test boosters and estrogen blockers while on this (just standard **** like maxxs the gear jackd”

And the finish after 4 weeks with a 4 week pct cycle as my first run, for pct i was recommended sup3r ? Same person that recommended the elite stack to me.

Is that about right?

Stats are male 31, 74 kg, maybe 10-15% body fat keep my protein close to 200g a day 3300 cal roughly in total...

What do you guys think? I already bought the stack so just need advice on how to run it really they said to me take one three tomes a day for 30 days ?*♂️

Any help is appreciated thanks
 
Jaetea said:
Hey, so just been looking into sarms.
Never tried anything like this before best ive done is your standard supplements and over the counter test boosters but have been reading into this and like the potential of use.

I jave bought a bottle of “focused nutrition elite sarms stack” mainly because it had the 3 sarms i was looking into and the dasparic acid for test.

I will be using test boosters and estrogen blockers while on this (just standard **** like maxxs the gear jackd”

And the finish after 4 weeks with a 4 week pct cycle as my first run, for pct i was recommended sup3r ? Same person that recommended the elite stack to me.

Is that about right?

Stats are male 31, 74 kg, maybe 10-15% body fat keep my protein close to 200g a day 3300 cal roughly in total...

What do you guys think? I already bought the stack so just need advice on how to run it really they said to me take one three tomes a day for 30 days ?*♂️

Any help is appreciated thanks
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Oh also i workout a good 5-6 days a week have been doig that solid for about a year... was doing it for a year before that but with loke a 7 months break in between...

Also am 170 cm tall if that maters
 
What sarms are in this stack?

For PCT you will need Nolva or Clomid for anything stronger than Ostarine mk2866 and even with Ostarine Nolva is recommended.

Why are you blocking your estrogen? That would make you feel like ****!! If you have zero test and zero estrogen you are going to have a really ****ty time.

I would recommend researching a bit further into this mate.
 
Hey mate what it has in it is
Lgd 4033 - 15mg
Mk2866 - 12.5 mg
Gw501516 - 10mg
Daspartic acid -10mg

What is nolva or clomid?

I was recommened olympus labs sup3r pct you ever heard of that?
 
Dont block your estro, sarms are not like steroids where they aromatize into estrogens. Sarms work in the brain by blocking certain receptors, making the body think it needs to make more testosterone, the stronger the sarm the stronger the boost. Youre just going to hurt yourself.

Make sure you have a pct on hand
 
I dont think its so much an estrogen blocker its a test booster it just has the added function of inhibiting excess estrogen production as far as in aware
 
But ueah i guess thats not a good idea so what do i use for during cycle support so to speak any test boosters u guys rwcommend or whats the go thwre?
 
A lot of guys use tudca or nac for on cycle support for the harsher sarms like ostarine, since it can be liver toxic. Are you just using sarms or you going to be using aas as well?
 
Yeah youll need some liver support for this stuff, ostarine is pretty harsh so I'd suggest liver support

Plus you have a methylated product which is broken in the liver, which also needs cycle support. Get yourself some organ guard
 
You really need to research what your getting into. Your lining yourself up to get no gains..feel like ****...and **** your hormones up.
 
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You really need to research what your getting into. Your lining yourself up to get no gains..feel like ****...and **** your hormones up.
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This stuff isnt very highly dosed, so it wont mess him up too badly, he'll just need on cycle support and a pct to make it through

The stack:

Osta 12.5

LDG 15 mg

GW 10 mg

Methyl D aspartic acid 10 mg
 
Just pay attention to how your body reacts to it. Not all SARMs are created equal. Some good brands. Some bad ones.
 
Please do not listen to some of the people in this page, for you do not need PCT. SARMS do not impact or very minimally impact your LH levels, therefore your testosterone levels will rebound quickly and SERMS will do very little to nothing in boosting your testosterone levels post cycle. Running some test boosters while on cycle might slightly negate the suppression. You also do not need estrogen blockers, SARMS do not aromatize. You should run SARMS for at least 6 weeks and up to 8 weeks. Monitor your side effects closely, blood work is probably a smart idea somewhere in your cycle so you can get a good idea as to whether you got legit SARMS or not.
 
Also whoever said you don't need a Serm is crazy. Your test is suppressed on SARMs and your hpta takes a hit. A Serm is vital to get test back to normal baseline levels while kick-starting your hpta. You might experience lethargy on cycle as well which usually means low test. Running a test booster on cycle is a waste of $. Don't listen to all advice on this thread some is very misguided and uninformative. Highly recommend a Serm for PCT with Natty test booster.
 
Even though these things are over the counter products, they are still a PED, all be it they aren’t AAS but they still mess around with your bodies natural test balance. LGD is the main one that’s going to bring your test right down, Ostarine maybe by 50%, GW isn’t actually a sarm and won’t have any suppression at all.

Running them all is a lot in my opinion dude so yeah OCS May be needed however a serm PCT is definitely needed. These companies supply their own brand of OTC PCT however after spending so much money on all these why would you risk any gains disappearing after your cycle on unproven PCT whereas you can use Nolva or Clomid which is known to work.
 
thebollerbow said:
you do not need PCT. SARMS do not impact or very minimally impact your LH levels
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All SARMs? And at all doses? Is there a study that looks at the hPTA impact of stacking 25mg+ ostarine and 30mg+ LGD? And even then should we ignore the abundance of anecdote which indicates a PCT is probably a wise move?

SERMS will do very little to nothing in boosting your testosterone levels post cycle.
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If anything can "boost test" efficiently (quickly and maximally) its a SERM.

You also do not need estrogen blockers, SARMS do not aromatize.
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Its generally a good idea to have an AI on hand for any cycle. For one, what if his SARMs are not actually SARMs (a possibility you yourself concede)? Secondly, though SARMs dont aromatise, Ive seen numerous cycles where excess e2 has become an issue due to increased aromatisation of natural testosterone and lowered SHBG.

Every cycle should have an AI and SERM on-hand.

Running some test boosters while on cycle might slightly negate the suppression...blood work is probably a smart idea somewhere in your cycle so you can get a good idea as to whether you got legit SARMS or not.
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If SARMs mimimally impact the hPTA, why would a test booster on-cycle be a good idea? And specifically what about ones bloodwork would indicate a legit SARM is being taken?
 
thebollerbow said:
Please do not listen to some of the people in this page, for you do not need PCT. SARMS do not impact or very minimally impact your LH levels, therefore your testosterone levels will rebound quickly and SERMS will do very little to nothing in boosting your testosterone levels post cycle. Running some test boosters while on cycle might slightly negate the suppression. You also do not need estrogen blockers, SARMS do not aromatize. You should run SARMS for at least 6 weeks and up to 8 weeks. Monitor your side effects closely, blood work is probably a smart idea somewhere in your cycle so you can get a good idea as to whether you got legit SARMS or not.
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Your a moron.
 
Tha ks for all the advice guys, im getting some on cycle support today as well as using the over the counter test boosters that i have at home during cycle just to be on the save side and then will be doing the pct after an 8 week course. This nolva or clomid where do i get that from
Is that a brand or a type so to speak ?

When ppl say monitor your blood work i have no idea what to look for or wven ask for do i just go to the dr and say i want bloods taken to measure my test and estrogen levels?
 
Jaetea said:
Tha ks for all the advice guys, im getting some on cycle support today as well as using the over the counter test boosters that i have at home during cycle just to be on the save side and then will be doing the pct after an 8 week course. This nolva or clomid where do i get that from
Is that a brand or a type so to speak ?

When ppl say monitor your blood work i have no idea what to look for or wven ask for do i just go to the dr and say i want bloods taken to measure my test and estrogen levels?
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For sure, get cycle support ASAP.
Nolva and clomid are drugs. You probably need to order from a research site. Maybe some other options. Where do you live?
You could do without SERM but that would be a harder way. Sure, SARMs are not as suppressive as AASs/PHs but they do suppress your natural production. And for some people, as much as PHs.
One option is to got with PCT+SERM.
Other would be to research the perfect PCT (no 1 product is perfect, so a combination of several, expensive), do bloods after cycle and 3-4 weeks into PCT and depending on this, maybe continue PCT products longer. I don't recommend this. Using SERMs is more effectve and going the natural route, done right, is more expensive.
 
bosskardo said:
For sure, get cycle support ASAP.
Nolva and clomid are drugs. You probably need to order from a research site. Maybe some other options. Where do you live?
You could do without SERM but that would be a harder way. Sure, SARMs are not as suppressive as AASs/PHs but they do suppress your natural production. And for some people, as much as PHs.
One option is to got with PCT+SERM.
Other would be to research the perfect PCT (no 1 product is perfect, so a combination of several, expensive), do bloods after cycle and 3-4 weeks into PCT and depending on this, maybe continue PCT products longer. I don't recommend this. Using SERMs is more effectve and going the natural route, done right, is more expensive.
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Thanks for your response!
Iam trying to get my head around a few words you guys are using what exactly is a serm is it different to a pct product ?
And i can just do one or the other dont have to do both?
 
Jaetea said:
Thanks for your response!
Iam trying to get my head around a few words you guys are using what exactly is a serm is it different to a pct product ?
And i can just do one or the other dont have to do both?
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Usually a Post Cycle Protocol consists of a SERM and a natural PCT product (like test booster but geared towards PCT, like Sup3r-PCT).
On a lighter cycle, SERM could be skipped but then you'd need a comprehensive natural PCT and that's more expensive.
 
bosskardo said:
Usually a Post Cycle Protocol consists of a SERM and a natural PCT product (like test booster but geared towards PCT, like Sup3r-PCT).
On a lighter cycle, SERM could be skipped but then you'd need a comprehensive natural PCT and that's more expensive.
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Right so whats a good serm to get i got the sup3r pct and got ar1macare for on cycle support
 
Also serm is a estrogen receceptor modulator if i got that right so is that to block my excess estrogen or what ?
 
Jaetea said:
Hey mate what it has in it is
Lgd 4033 - 15mg
Mk2866 - 12.5 mg
Gw501516 - 10mg
Daspartic acid -10mg
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This product is a train wreck! What is 10mg of D-Aspartic acid going to do? Nothing! 15mg of LGD-4033 is way too much for a first-time SARMs user. And did I get it right that they recommend dosing this 3 times a day? Just insane!!
 
thebollerbow said:
Please do not listen to some of the people in this page, for you do not need PCT. SARMS do not impact or very minimally impact your LH levels, therefore your testosterone levels will rebound quickly and SERMS will do very little to nothing in boosting your testosterone levels post cycle. Running some test boosters while on cycle might slightly negate the suppression.
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FAIL
 
Mike NCR said:
This product is a train wreck! What is 10mg of D-Aspartic acid going to do? Nothing! 15mg of LGD-4033 is way too much for a first-time SARMs user. And did I get it right that they recommend dosing this 3 times a day? Just insane!!
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I saw this product years ago and wondered who was dumb enough to run this. The dosing makes no sense. OP is gonna be so lethargic he wont be able to move.
 
Jaetea said:
Right so whats a good serm to get i got the sup3r pct and got ar1macare for on cycle support
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Clomid imo or Nolva. Bro the LG dose is way too much...plan on having incredible lethargy. To run this you would need a test base...its not for you. By the end of week 2 ...you will not be able to function. Get your serm before you start cause u will start using sooner than you think.
 
This thread is a mess.

1. Don’t start this product until you have liver support and PCT on hand.

2. Don’t buy this product again, it’s dumb.

3. Your PCT should ideally include a SERM. Clomid (clomiphene citrate) or “Nolva” Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) are the most popular.

4. Don’t take your test booster on cycle. Best use would be to throw it in during PCT. But look into a new one next time, the one you have isn’t so good.

If I’m understanding correctly, it looks like a serving is 2 caps of your SARM product. If that’s true, then I’d stick with 2 per day. 15mg of LGD should be plenty, and everything is kinda useless at these doses.

Anyone who says SARMs don’t cause suppression don’t know what they’re talking about. Research and anecdote both show that SARMs do shut down some people, but not everyone is affected severely.
 
Right im getting a few mixed messages here to be honest which is slightly confusing.

Re the serm that i am unsure how to acquire i live in Australia and the doctors here arw unlikely to give that to you for bodybuilding reasons ??

I was told by the place that sells the sarms that all id need to do is the pct after my cycle “the sup3r by i think olympus labs? “



I do kinda wonder what would happen if it surpresses me so to speak n i stop does my body bounce back after a while or how does this work - at this point im more freaked out n stearing towards never touching the ****
 
Also has anyone ever actually tried products by focused nutrition? I read good things in this forum about them when i did my search so yeah ?
 
Jaetea said:
I do kinda wonder what would happen if it surpresses me so to speak n i stop does my body bounce back after a while or how does this work - at this point im more freaked out n stearing towards never touching the ****
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The whole issue is with any exogenous androgen use. By introducing a high amount of male hormone to the body, there’s going to be negative feedback and a decrease in your body’s production of testosterone. If you took steroids for a day or even a week, you’d stop producing because your body thinks you have more than enough. But once those androgens clear your system, you’d make your own test again because you won’t be getting the same negative feedback. The issues start when you take something for several weeks. When your test production is shut down for an extended time, the testes will begin to atrophy from the disuse. After coming off, your body will start production again, but at a much lower level than usual, which is why people do a PCT. You want a SERM specifically because it’s the best way to give your body the kickstart it needs. SERMs are similar to SARMs, except that they bind estrogen receptors instead of androgen receptors, but also, they’re designed to activate their receptors weakly. Since they bind to receptors strongly, they can “block” actual estrogen from docking on the receptor. The main reason this is so effective, is when they act in the hypothalamus (I think), you stop the negative feedback from that angle. Most people, especially if young and healthy, will be able to recover without doing a PCT at all, but the process will be much longer. By doing a thorough PCT, you can help your body recover much more quickly, which will help maintain gains from a cycle. You might be able to get away with a PCT supplement, but a SERM is absolutely recommended. That’s the route most guys take. For me, I’ve actually run a couple cycles of SARMs, and I’ve just used an OTC AI, and I’ve never had any issues. I even keep gaining after the cycles usually. It’s up to you to decide which way to go, but the safest thing would be to get a SERM.
 
Jeremyk1 said:
Sorry that got a little rambly. Don’t be afraid to ask for any clarification.
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Thanks for clearing that up id much rather an informative paragraph like the one you just laid down then a short this stack sucks or what ever....

But in short i cant cause permanent damage to my test levels by taking the stack i bought at the 2-3 times per day that they recommended?

But either way do a pct and a serm after my cycle?
 
Oh and lastly is everyone kind of of the same opinion not to use that stack but to go with another option
 
Yeah the stack isn’t good buddy for a few factors.

I googled it and it advised those MG you showed were for 2 servings however the recommended dose on the tub says 3 servings. That means you are taking in a 1/3 more than is shown which is very high as the recommended dose for Ostarine is 30mg on the higher dose and I’ve not heard of anyone taking more than 10mg of lgd a day either.

Also the price is totally off. A 30day supply of Ostarine is approx 30quid, lgd 35quid, GW35quid. You could say that it’s pckaging that puts cost up, however if you are getting all those at high dosage for 45quid then alarm bells ring a bit dude.

If you are adamant on taking it then I would recommend 1 tablet a day. I assume is to the cost it will be highly under dosed. But that may not take away the problems with liver toxicity or suppression of test.
 
Not a fan of running multiple sarms if you have never run them separately. If there is an issue you won’t know what is causing it. I prefer solo runs to see how they affect you. Then if there were no issues I would look at stacking. Just my 2 cents.
 
Right ill stay clear of the stack then ill just leave it in my cupboard, i already have the on cycle support as well so ill just get a single lgd for now liquid dropper got an aus supplier that ive been told is legit n do the pct plus serm with it.


Thanks guys
 
Since you already bought it, you’re probably okay running this stuff. Unless you can sell it or trade it for something else. If you do use it, I think 2 caps a day would be best. LGD is most commonly used at only 10mg per day, but I feel one cap, you’d be too underdosed on everything. 15mg of LGD should be okay.
 
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