First Time PH Cycle after 9 Years of Hardwork Naturally
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KilaCali
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Yea you never know what your putting in your bodu when it comes down to it, there really aint no proven human studys of none of this **** accept test and dbol old school things like that, but honestly you still don't know every little thing that's doing to your body either, you think you may know it all and have it all figured out but you don't know down to the cellular level whats its doing unless your getting dissected and not only giving blood and ua's but having people cut open your body and examine it and even with those skilled professionals doing that THEY don't know everything either man,
I sense a bit of over confidence in some of these statements bro, and honestly how long have YOU really been researching all of this information on aas/ds's and its effect on the human anatomy and the anatomy itself? and with what resources? as I recall you ran a somewhat small cycle of ostarine and that was it and I might not have been around long enough to recall if you even mentioned running some gear, it seemed like you were still getting your feet wet at the time?? just trying to get an idea of who's giving facts and advice on things that are still probably very much new to them as well? and referring to your post earlier mentioning adding in a PH with side effects before the dbol and why would i do that, didnt you just start your test with DMZ or what was the deal with that ??
and adding in all those other things is making it a little to complicated, im down for some simple sust, test, dbol and a ph here or there, nothing more or nothing less and ONCE again not even sure if ill cross the barrier into pinning ANYTHING,
if I decided to pin when it comes down to it ill have my own mind made up to do to my body what I wanna do and reap what I sow wether good or bad, its nobody else's decision but my own, if someone wants to help me out a little in one way or another wether it be by advice and direction or by giving me another source to check out products from, prices and see some actual feedback from that source to see if its a reputable one thts cool, and im not just saying one person sayin their all good to go, I like to do a lot of research on a source let alone what ill be getting from them if ya catch my drift, I have several so you holding yours hostage until I deemed myself worthy is all good, I don't need it and its not going to be harming or helping me so you don't gotta worry about it, like I said before
I appreciate the feedback and advice but I have to speak up when someone comes off like they know exactly everything about me and whats best for me as well as tells me I have to do everything almost as far as piss in a cup and give a back round check to before they give me one of a million sources to find gear and other supplys it bothers me just a little bit. my apologies if im sounding out of line here its been a long day and I can only sit back quietly smile and nod so long until I have to give people just a LITTLE HINT of my perspective on things. other then that, I wish everyone a great night and finish to their weekend, god bless you all!
KilaCali
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Wow, VERY interesting man, ever thought about being a UROLOGIST ?
thanks for sharing!
HardEarned
Active member
my college education (bio mechanical engineer major) mixed with a ton of research gave me a decent understnading on these hormones and their sides and what systems they could disturb. Almost all of them have had clinical trials and have at one piont been approved for human use. i did just get my feet wet recently but not without extensive research!
PH dont have clinical trials and were never intended for humans to use them like thisl
I personally feel old school hormones are the way to go. Your gonna throw off your HPTA anyway, might as well do it with something that will yield big results with minimal sides. And since they've been run for years and years by pros, we know what the sides are and how to combat them. So, PH that shuts you down, yields small gains, and who knows the long term negative effects, or tried and true anabolics that were once approved by the FDA for human consumption and definately do yield big results. This morning I stepped on the scale and was up +18lbs. since 3.5 weeks ago.
PH dont have clinical trials and were never intended for humans to use them like thisl
I personally feel old school hormones are the way to go. Your gonna throw off your HPTA anyway, might as well do it with something that will yield big results with minimal sides. And since they've been run for years and years by pros, we know what the sides are and how to combat them. So, PH that shuts you down, yields small gains, and who knows the long term negative effects, or tried and true anabolics that were once approved by the FDA for human consumption and definately do yield big results. This morning I stepped on the scale and was up +18lbs. since 3.5 weeks ago.
mixedup
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Hard earned. I know you do your research but I mean even newer designers like methyl sten we're studied way back in the 60s by searle. Epi had a long and studied history etc. I mean alot of these have been around longer than th ai's and serms we use now like arimidex or letro or torm
KilaCali
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that's ool your going to school learning about the stuff and been doing your research but that doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about ph's and aas's, specially considering you have no hands on experience with what? one cycle you just started and one extremely weak ph you ran? I could see why you would say they don't give big results in that aspect, but im seeing guys gain just as much off ph's then aas its a no brainer it depends on person, chemical, training, genetic, all that **** comes into play so for you to say you don't make but some tiny gains off a ph is saying you know everything there is to know about ph's and everyone that's used them, I beg to differ on that one bro, why don't youtake a look at some of the guys on here let alone in the outside world, atleast half of them that ran something were running some form of oldschool or new school ph which if they weren't intended for human use why would they even ever come out with them? none of that dbol, test, tren or any of that back in the day was never intended for human use either but people learned how to appy it and use it for benefits so obviously your statements are contradictory and you seem a little ahead of yourself on all this, I think you should spend some more time associating with people that run ph's and solid anabolics and in a couple years after you've run a few cycles you can really say something with more meaning to it..
KilaCali
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Alpha314
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Good luck with with PCT KC, i have every confidence u are gunna kick arse with your positive vision mindset, and we all get to pick up a few tips as we enjoy the exciting cruise
Dma378
Legend
You logging somewhere Yates?
yates84
Well-known member
No log on this unfortunately. Looking to log my next run of OL tren/dmz! At least that's what I want to run at the moment
Dma378
Legend
Nice!!
Abe Lincoln
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This is a good thread, I wonder how the opposite would be though. Like "been on for 9 years now I want to pct and be natty."
KilaCali
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Dude Abe Where the F you been man? LOL!! and great idea!! thanks for stopping in... and to answer you Volvo140G
Tamox 20mg x 3 x 10mg x 3 weeks
DAA 3.5 to 4g a Day 4-6weeks minimum
Still runnin good ole Cycle Assist til I get some SUPER PCT From OL
DermaSTRENGTH (5a Laxogenin) 50mg a day once daily applied, possibly twice sometimes
ZMA 550MG (500mg Magnesium/50mg Zing)
and of course all your regular Vitamins/Minerals/EFA's as always on cycle and off
Tamox 20mg x 3 x 10mg x 3 weeks
DAA 3.5 to 4g a Day 4-6weeks minimum
Still runnin good ole Cycle Assist til I get some SUPER PCT From OL
DermaSTRENGTH (5a Laxogenin) 50mg a day once daily applied, possibly twice sometimes
ZMA 550MG (500mg Magnesium/50mg Zing)
and of course all your regular Vitamins/Minerals/EFA's as always on cycle and off
KilaCali
Banned
that's what im saying, been in contact with dude every so often and hes been tearing it up, would make for some good logs.
mixedup
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I can't tell you what's it's like to be on for that long then go natty but I can tell you what it's like to be on for a good long while and try and go natty it sucks.... but then I'm alot older so natty levels are lower
Abe Lincoln
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I'm worried about those sperms. Fertility and all. Want to have kids some day, so blasting and cruising seems out of the picture for me
And I have been around, just been a bit busy with school, job, and a new girl
mixedup
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Yeah see I have my 3 kids actually what made me come off was when my wide wanted our last child I had to come off cold turkey it wasn't pleasant no pct nothing Dr didn't want me on anything
Jamillhouse
New member
I have two kids and I'm done. Crazy thing is, I'm a much happier, easy going person when I am on cycle than when I am off.
HardEarned
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id consider throwing in some tribulus and tongkat ali aka longjack in the PCT stack
ARA is nice too
ARA is nice too
yates84
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About to start x factor tomorrow, any helpful advice or tips on ara? This will be my first time using it
HardEarned
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just follow directions on the bottle. should help you keep your strength up. anything and everything to help keep that strength! stack that with creatine and all your HPTA balancers and you should have a nice pct. I actually made a little bit of gains in my pct coming off of ostarine.
I did clomid, tribulus, longjack, daa, ARA (x-gels), agamatine, and anabeta elite
I did clomid, tribulus, longjack, daa, ARA (x-gels), agamatine, and anabeta elite
HardEarned
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back improvement
KilaCali ever since you schooled me about your back routine, I have been making huge progress. Its hard for me a to get a picture of my back but here is a pic or two. I went from barely being able to do 15 strick bodyweight pullups to 10 pullups with a 60lb dumbbell in between my knees! Went from barely being able to barbell row 275 for 5 cheating reps to doin 295 with strict form!
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KilaCali ever since you schooled me about your back routine, I have been making huge progress. Its hard for me a to get a picture of my back but here is a pic or two. I went from barely being able to do 15 strick bodyweight pullups to 10 pullups with a 60lb dumbbell in between my knees! Went from barely being able to barbell row 275 for 5 cheating reps to doin 295 with strict form!
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yates84
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I only have 4 days left in my pct, running epic and dermastrength and it's actually helped increase my strength! Really happy with those two. ArA is going to be my time off supplement to carry me to my next cycle. Hate losing that strength after cycle. Should i expect any size or just strength?
Abe Lincoln
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Don't worry chris Hansen this girl is of age.. Unlike the one I was going out with before! 17 Lol
How long were you on for? I hear about it is possible to come off cycle after a while and just reboot with clomid, but that risk has me Eh eh. My girl wants 4 kids so don't want to be the one to blame lol especially since she knows of me using
Abe Lincoln
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What tips he give ya? Those are some pretty good gains! I'm in that long term bulk/recomp.
mixedup
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I'm not quite sure how long I was on for lol that may be an indication of how long it was. over 18months for sure
HardEarned
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expect massive strength gains. and size always follows strength
HardEarned
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youll have to ask him. I cant give away his tips of the trade. Those tips are for him to give oly. Sorry. I'm sure he will tell you though. Just PM him or even ask him on here . He might not mind sharing his secretes with everyone.
BENT OVER ROWS 295lbs for REPS! NUFF SAID
HardEarned
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hope you made some big time gainz off your cycle. messing with the hpta is always scarey, especially if he reward (gainz) to risk ratio isn't really high.
by the way. look into Diesel Test Hardcore to ass into your PCT. The're has been countless success stories wtith that supplement not to mention tons of bloodwork to back up the claims, This forums got a lot of threads on it too. its got like every possible test booster ever in it except daa and divanill.
yates84
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Ph's are what I do, very familiar with the risks but plan to ride it till the wheels fall off. Thanks though
KilaCali
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Yea same here man, I got plans when I hit my 50's depending on how im feeling of starting cruise control on it though **** it. but til then its all small potatoes trying to preserve every little aspect of my physical health... and that's cool abe just wondering, miss your awesome 1 liners and so fourth, you been running anything lately and did you ever stock up on your sasquatch dna or any crazy stacks???
mixedup
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Sasquatch dna is Awesome
KilaCali
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DAMN since yesterday this thread got hit! Glad that the advice helped HardEarned I LOVE anytime I can give hours of advice just some the slightest progression in a routine... also thanks for the tips im definitely looking into getting some more natty test booster, and also adding in a supplement like x-gels for arachidonic acid, I found a sup called axis labs hemodrulix with a few extra things on top of the AAcid and im planning to get it for my off time.. looks like good stuff
and yates84 I cant remember exactly what I told him but I've kinda changed it by 1 minor thing, I used to ALWAYS start with mass/strength work first cause that's your bread and butter (bent over rows and start with 3-5x8/10/12 reps of wide, then do the same close reverse grip, then single arm dumbbell rows for atleast 3 sets of 8/10/12 then you can move on to your deads or do your deads first followed by rows, after all that hit your wide pull downs for 3-4 sets of 10/12/15 switch to close grip after hit those the same but go heavier each time on reverse grip since you got more strength doing it with thatgrip since the bicepts are more engaged, those are where you really drive, then
sometimes ill throw in seated closegrip rows, then 3x back extensions going heavier each time on the machine 2 plates everytime 12/10/8 or if you did your deads go lighter 15/12/10 reps and superset with your pull ups I prefer hammer neautral grip... but since then ive started doing pull ups to
start my routine go for a warm up set then 3-4 sets of wide grip as many as possibly then same amount reverse grip, then do your routine.... sometimes when im in my later stage of doing the more defining moves like pull downs and all that ill do d-ring single arm rows and pull it sideways across your body to hit that REALLY hard to hit inner part of your lats, either way itll bring SERIOUS thickness to your back and massive gains natural or not, it did for me, you might change reps and weight to suit you but on reverse grip of all kind is where you DRIVE as heavy as possible...
since doing that routine for the most part a couple years ive seen so much gains and my back has came out so much better, about 5 years ago I always did it with pulldowns and cable moves first, and I had MASSIVE WIDE lats, but no thickness! so I got tired of being thin and wide I wanted to have it all so I swpped power moves for definition moves and aftere 3 weeks could tell a huge different.. hope this helps
and yates84 I cant remember exactly what I told him but I've kinda changed it by 1 minor thing, I used to ALWAYS start with mass/strength work first cause that's your bread and butter (bent over rows and start with 3-5x8/10/12 reps of wide, then do the same close reverse grip, then single arm dumbbell rows for atleast 3 sets of 8/10/12 then you can move on to your deads or do your deads first followed by rows, after all that hit your wide pull downs for 3-4 sets of 10/12/15 switch to close grip after hit those the same but go heavier each time on reverse grip since you got more strength doing it with thatgrip since the bicepts are more engaged, those are where you really drive, then
sometimes ill throw in seated closegrip rows, then 3x back extensions going heavier each time on the machine 2 plates everytime 12/10/8 or if you did your deads go lighter 15/12/10 reps and superset with your pull ups I prefer hammer neautral grip... but since then ive started doing pull ups to
start my routine go for a warm up set then 3-4 sets of wide grip as many as possibly then same amount reverse grip, then do your routine.... sometimes when im in my later stage of doing the more defining moves like pull downs and all that ill do d-ring single arm rows and pull it sideways across your body to hit that REALLY hard to hit inner part of your lats, either way itll bring SERIOUS thickness to your back and massive gains natural or not, it did for me, you might change reps and weight to suit you but on reverse grip of all kind is where you DRIVE as heavy as possible...
since doing that routine for the most part a couple years ive seen so much gains and my back has came out so much better, about 5 years ago I always did it with pulldowns and cable moves first, and I had MASSIVE WIDE lats, but no thickness! so I got tired of being thin and wide I wanted to have it all so I swpped power moves for definition moves and aftere 3 weeks could tell a huge different.. hope this helps
KilaCali
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LOL I bet man, it better be with all those wickedly potent ingredients! my next cycle is going to be similar if my buddy shoots it to me soon enough its the Quad stack as I meantioned before... and everything looks potently dosed for the most part, not just some weak sdmz type stack with 5mg a cap or whatever.. :O
yates84
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It definitely has a mean profile
mixedup
Well-known member
I ran it I still have one cycle left I'm saving for off season. I even bought a bottle of yetti that's stronger than sasquatch
KilaCali
Banned
Hell yea! like the meanest ive seen out of ALOT of supps out there LoL
KilaCali
Banned
LOL Damn!! what were the results????? and how long did it take to kick??
mixedup
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Saving that sasquatch kicked on week one and kicked hard like a bomb hard
Abe Lincoln
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Well I'm reading up on insulin and might give that a go next year to really get things going, that is if I decide it is really necessary, so that won't mess with my hormones too much, but can't use that for too long or I will be on insulin for life, but yeah I k ow that feels of preserving the health. Currently in pct, nolva, 1g of sns xgels (ArA), t2, Endosurge turbo, Elimistane, creatine, leucine, glycophase, and depending on the day a preworkout, but nahhh I'm not "on" anything at moment. I did not stock up, looking to get serious with my next stack and hit up those injectables and maybe toss a oral in there like SD as I have heard good things.