Well in this case I was actually referring to running it alone or as an oral cycle base (it should be stacked with an injectable IMO) but in genral I just don't like something that will stress your joints while making you stonger. and thats on top of all the other problems that come with an oral steroid. people most ofton use winny at the end of the cycle to harden up and it works well but at a cost. its hard on the joint and you are now stonger then ever (unless your doing a very hard cutting cycle)
winny and tren are the worst, the combo will make you look like a god but tren makes you very strong and winny wrecks your joints.
as in a lot of cases with orals I just think that better options are avalable.
JM2C