First time Gyno issues

theanarchist

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I've been active in working out and keeping in pretty tight shape for the last 6 years of so. I've run 4 cycles of Halo over the past few years. I've never done anything stronger or bothered with more aggressive cycles because a) I'm not that interested in getting huge, more interested in keeping lean so every year or 18 months I run a cycle just to kind of tighten up a bit and remind myself what's possible. But more importantly would be b) I'm terrified of sides and I've always heard that Halo is pretty mild. So I've stuck with it.

Ran a cycle a few months back. Had good cycle support, and ran PCT Nova 40/40/20/20. Everything seemed great.

However, about a month after I completed PCT I remember thinking that I must have accidentally rubbed up my right nipple on something because it was really agitated. I remember this because I had to adjust my seat belt in the car. I thought nothing more of it until a week ago when I realized that it's constantly agitated and was borderline painful. I started thinking it could be gyno and sure enough there are some little pea pods developing and it's def painful and agitated at various times. I'm sure it's not yet gotten really bad but I'm also quite sure it's gyno. Virtually all the symptoms are there. I started taking Nolva again @ 20 Mg daily (just realized that I thought I was taking 40 but was only doing 20... wonder if that's what the cause of all this is. I might have run my entire PCT at half price without realizing it.)

Anyway, at this point what's to be done? Am I right in just running Nolva or should I be getting something else? Also any idea on why it would be happening now - a few months after PCT with no sides during the cycle? Anyway, advice from you guys would be great! Thanks,
 
sounds like estrogen rebound. Letro to kill it fast, once you feel its gone aromasin and nolva to prevent further estrogen rebound.

letro: 0.5/1/1.25/1.75/2.5 (hold at 2.5 till gyno is gone, then taper back down)
aromasin after letro: 12.5eod for 4 weeks
nolva: 20/20/10/10

that should be more than enough to kill it or at least reduce it enough to where it isnt a bother
 
Renew1 said:
What were your compounds? Dosages? Duration?
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I did Halo at 75/100/100/100/100/100/100 (I think). I wrote it all down but I've since discarded the details. However I do know that I ran it for 7 weeks instead of 6. I know that's a bit of a no-no but I felt really good and figured what the hell. I never drink anymore so I'm sure my liver is doing better than a couple of those earlier cycles where I would cheat every once in a while.

PCT was Nolva at 20/20/10/10 (not 40/40/20/20 like I said in my OP - that was a mistake).
 
Mitch_310 said:
sounds like estrogen rebound. Letro to kill it fast, once you feel its gone aromasin and nolva to prevent further estrogen rebound.

letro: 0.5/1/1.25/1.75/2.5 (hold at 2.5 till gyno is gone, then taper back down)
aromasin after letro: 12.5eod for 4 weeks
nolva: 20/20/10/10

that should be more than enough to kill it or at least reduce it enough to where it isnt a bother
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So... I was assuming Letro would be found at the site I shopped for the Nolva (Use to be a board sponsor I think) but I'm not seeing it. Should I be looking elsewhere or is there another name? Or is this something that needs to be... "imported" from somewhere with a more open minded legislative agenda?

Also would I run the Nolva after the aromasin? So Letro (till it's gone) then Aromasin 4wks then Nolva 4wks?

What if I was thinking of doing another cycle some time soon? Should I just forget that for now and worry about getting this issue fixed?
 
theanarchist said:
So... I was assuming Letro would be found at the site I shopped for the Nolva (Use to be a board sponsor I think) but I'm not seeing it. Should I be looking elsewhere or is there another name? Or is this something that needs to be... "imported" from somewhere with a more open minded legislative agenda?

Also would I run the Nolva after the aromasin? So Letro (till it's gone) then Aromasin 4wks then Nolva 4wks?

What if I was thinking of doing another cycle some time soon? Should I just forget that for now and worry about getting this issue fixed?
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You're going to be messing with your hormones to get this cleared if you are dealing with estrogen rebound, so get this sorted out and give it some time before thinking of another cycle.

Check the other board sponsor if you're looking for letro but I would personally go with ralox and aromasin over letro.
 
theanarchist said:
Any reason why or is it just personal preference? I've read that Letro is kinda rough so I'm not super excited about it but I'm guessing Ralox would be also.
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I've used both for gyno. If it's really bad I jump on letro to drop estro hard and fast and also ralox as a serm. Letro can be brutal as far as sides though. Your gyno doesn't seem to be that bad where some ralox and aromasin would not clear it up. Both of which I have absolutely no sides from, but this is in my experience. I can't say I've heard of anyone having sides from ralox.
 
Ya, thanks. I've been doing a bit more reading and it seems that the general consensus is that ralox is WAY friendlier as far as sides. And you're totally right about my case being pretty mild so I think it would clear up with ralox.

So what sort of dosing/regiment would I do? I've seen anywhere from 60-150mg for a week and then anywhere from 30-60 thereafter until symptoms are reversed. I don't want to not do a proper job of it but at the same time I hate the idea of ****ing with the body's levers for no good reason. Any advise on the dosage? Also you mentioned aromasin. From what I read, since I'm not on cycle currently (and I think I'll leave that alone until this is fixed) I wouldn't need to use an AI. Am I correct or should I consider dosing up there too? Finally once I've seen the results and the issue has subsided would I take a month of Nolva at 20/20/10/10 like was recommended on the Letro regiment?

Thanks for your help BTW! This place never ceases to amaze me as far as the wealth of knowledge here!
 
You're more than likely getting gyno because of estrogen rebound and your estrogen is too high. The AI will help with lowering that and the ralox will help with the estrogen binding to the receptors at the breasts. If you just took ralox it's not going to change the fact that you have high estrogen.
 
As far as dosing, 60mg ralox for 2 weeks then 30mg for 2 weeks, longer at 30 if necessary. Most people seem to do well at 12.5mg exem EOD then dropping to 6.25 EOD.
 
Thanks. I'll get some aromasin also.

What other effects would I be theoretically feeling if I had estrogen rebound? I guess now I'm starting to wonder if certain other issues are all related.

For example, during the cycle my shoulders and elbow joints were a bit strained (as I expected) and it got better when the cycle was done but for the last 3 weeks or so (which is post PCT) I've noticed they're all feeling pretty rough.

In addition, even though I've kept most of the strength gains I picked up from the cycle I was surprised to see a pretty noticeable regression as far as how tight and hard I looked. Usually I keep that for a lot longer but this time I felt like I really dropped the ball on keeping my leanness post-cycle, although I couldn't think what was wrong since both diet and workouts were on point. Are those issues likely to have something to do with this estrogen rebound? Just curious about all this since it's a new thing for me.
 
High estrogen will cause water retention so you wouldn't feel as tight as you were so that's expected. Generally low estrogen leads to joint pain so that made sense why they got better after your cycle, but I have no idea why they would be sore again at this point if you're expecting high estrogen. Really the only way of knowing where your estrogen is, is by getting blood work done.
 
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