First time creatine user question

MistrJay

MistrJay

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Does it matter at what time of the day I take creatine?
 
MistrJay said:
Does it matter at what time of the day I take creatine?
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Some like it pre workout, some mass gainers put it in post workout...

I can see argument over both, but I think as long as you are getting the daily dose you'll still get the reward.

Anyone got any real science on this?
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Some like it pre workout, some mass gainers put it in post workout...

I can see argument over both, but I think as long as you are getting the daily dose you'll still get the reward.

Anyone got any real science on this?
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One study seems to show slight benefits post-workout compared to pre-workout, but just reaching and maintaining saturation is by far the most important thing here.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Some like it pre workout, some mass gainers put it in post workout...

I can see argument over both, but I think as long as you are getting the daily dose you'll still get the reward.

Anyone got any real science on this?
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muscleupcrohn said:
One study seems to show slight benefits post-workout compared to pre-workout, but just reaching and maintaining saturation is by far the most important thing here.
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Okay. I didn’t know if I could throw some in my OJ in the morning and have it be okay.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah 5g scoop in OJ in AM daily for awhile should be fine. But why ruin OJ? Mix it in pre or post workout drink / shake.
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I figured it wouldn’t mess up the OJ. Lol but I’ll probably throw some in my preworkout. I’m trying to do a loading phase of it right now.
 
MistrJay said:
Okay. I didn’t know if I could throw some in my OJ in the morning and have it be okay.
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Thats how I used to do it. Always seemed to work fine. If I was using D Aspartic Acid I would put that in there too.
 
MistrJay said:
I figured it wouldn’t mess up the OJ. Lol but I’ll probably throw some in my preworkout. I’m trying to do a loading phase of it right now.
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That’ll be fine, but a loading phase isn’t necessary. It will get you to saturation faster, but it’s not necessary.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That’ll be fine, but a loading phase isn’t necessary. It will get you to saturation faster, but it’s not necessary.
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That’s true. It will build up either way as long as it’s the 5g per day. 20g per day for the first three days, though, that’s how I did it to load up. Also I think if you’re a particularly large and muscular guy, you can use more overall. Maybe that has more to do with gear. I haven’t seen a study on a 300lb and ripped to shreds bodybuilder.
 
Old Witch said:
That’s true. It will build up either way as long as it’s the 5g per day. 20g per day for the first three days, though, that’s how I did it to load up. Also I think if you’re a particularly large and muscular guy, you can use more overall. Maybe that has more to do with gear. I haven’t seen a study on a 300lb and ripped to shreds bodybuilder.
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You don’t even need 5g/day, at least if you’re not heavy or overly muscular that is. I’d have to check the study to see what the subjects weighed. I’ve seen studies show that saturation can be achieved with 3g/day, but I think it took about a month or so. Some people get upset stomachs with loading, so sometimes it’s easier to just not load, assuming you can wait the extra few weeks for the benefits to really pick up. I’d agree that if you’re a big guy, go with at least 5g/day. I also don’t know how having pro-level muscle mass would effect what it takes to achieve and maintain saturation though, so you may be right about using more in that case. I’m pretty light, so I just normally take 5g. It’s cheap enough, and plenty safe, so no real reason not to go with at least 5g IMO.

Edit: the subjects who achieved saturation at 3g/day had an average weight of 76.1kg, or ~167lbs, so if you’re heavier, 5g is probably a solid dose. Not sure about upper 200s all muscle, as you’re looking at a lot more muscle to saturate.
https://www.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/jappl.1996.81.1.232
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You don’t even need 5g/day, at least if you’re not heavy or overly muscular that is. I’d have to check the study to see what the subjects weighed. I’ve seen studies show that saturation can be achieved with 3g/day, but I think it took about a month or so. Some people get upset stomachs with loading, so sometimes it’s easier to just not load, assuming you can wait the extra few weeks for the benefits to really pick up. I’d agree that if you’re a big guy, go with at least 5g/day. I also don’t know how having pro-level muscle mass would effect what it takes to achieve and maintain saturation though, so you may be right about using more in that case. I’m pretty light, so I just normally take 5g. It’s cheap enough, and plenty safe, so no real reason not to go with at least 5g IMO.
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Right, it’s arguably the cheapest and safest of all possible ergogenic aids which also can build lean body mass. 80 5g servings for $10-$15 all over the place. No real reason to skimp out on it.
 
Old Witch said:
Right, it’s arguably the cheapest and safest of all possible ergogenic aids which also can build lean body mass. 80 5g servings for $10-$15 all over the place. No real reason to skimp out on it.
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Exactly. Plus it’s actually good for cognition too! Meat eaters get sufficient Creatine from their diet for cognitive purposes (but not for muscle saturation), but vegetarians/vegans don’t, and studies have shown that Creatine supplementation can improve cognition in vegetarians/vegans. Good for the brain and the body. Definitely worth using a dose you know will work.
 
Old Witch said:
Thats how I used to do it. Always seemed to work fine. If I was using D Aspartic Acid I would put that in there too.
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I tried D Aspartic Acid a few times and I would get terrible stomach aches and be in the bathroom for a bit.
 
Old Witch said:
That’s true. It will build up either way as long as it’s the 5g per day. 20g per day for the first three days, though, that’s how I did it to load up. Also I think if you’re a particularly large and muscular guy, you can use more overall. Maybe that has more to do with gear. I haven’t seen a study on a 300lb and ripped to shreds bodybuilder.
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I’m about 216 lbs right now and trying to drop down to 170.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
One study seems to show slight benefits post-workout compared to pre-workout, but just reaching and maintaining saturation is by far the most important thing here.
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This. Most important thing is consistency in dosing each and every day. 5g daily doesn't matter what time. I typically do 5g in my post workout shake.
 
MistrJay said:
I’m about 216 lbs right now and trying to drop down to 170.
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Creatine on a cut? I would hold off or lower the creatine dose and just lift and add cardio to burn fat.

Perhaps try a pre workout geared for thermogenic action, energy, and pumps - without the creatine? My new favorite here would be Radiate+ by RXS supplements. Be prepared to sweat!

Creatine is good for strength, size... but less so for vascularity, holds water which is good for muscle growth... But maybe less useful if trying shed fat. It's easier to focus on losing weight, get lean... Then "bulk" or go for gainZ then.

A forum member BEAST73 did something similar. He lifted high volume reps, medium weights, and did cardio... Dropped like ~100lbs and now is going for growth once he got lean. His logs are inspiring.

Make sure you eat clean and lean, drop sugars as much as possible (stevia-maltodextrin big bag at Walmart is cheap and good table sugar replacement).
 
If you mix it with orange juice, juste don't take too long to drink it as it will become more unstable with the time. It is also better in room or warm temperature beverage rather than cold one, it dissolves easier.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Creatine on a cut? I would hold off or lower the creatine dose and just lift and add cardio to burn fat.

Perhaps try a pre workout geared for thermogenic action, energy, and pumps - without the creatine? My new favorite here would be Radiate+ by RXS supplements. Be prepared to sweat!

Creatine is good for strength, size... but less so for vascularity, holds water which is good for muscle growth... But maybe less useful if trying shed fat. It's easier to focus on losing weight, get lean... Then "bulk" or go for gainZ then.

A forum member BEAST73 did something similar. He lifted high volume reps, medium weights, and did cardio... Dropped like ~100lbs and now is going for growth once he got lean. His logs are inspiring.

Make sure you eat clean and lean, drop sugars as much as possible (stevia-maltodextrin big bag at Walmart is cheap and good table sugar replacement).
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Why not use Creatine on a cut? It can increase strength, which can help you preserve strength while cutting. It’s also been shown to help maintain performance during an overreaching period, and it can be argued that a cut can be similar to overreaching.

As for effects on cutting, it shouldn’t hinder any actual fat loss, you’ll just remain a few pounds heavier as opposed to dropping the intracellular (good) water from Creatine. OP isn’t planning on stepping on stage from how much weight he says he wants to lose, so I don’t see a slight water retention being an issue really.
 
Doesn't Creatine say to take with high volume carbs, which is not what you want for shedding weight....
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Creatine on a cut? I would hold off or lower the creatine dose and just lift and add cardio to burn fat.

Perhaps try a pre workout geared for thermogenic action, energy, and pumps - without the creatine? My new favorite here would be Radiate+ by RXS supplements. Be prepared to sweat!

Creatine is good for strength, size... but less so for vascularity, holds water which is good for muscle growth... But maybe less useful if trying shed fat. It's easier to focus on losing weight, get lean... Then "bulk" or go for gainZ then.

A forum member BEAST73 did something similar. He lifted high volume reps, medium weights, and did cardio... Dropped like ~100lbs and now is going for growth once he got lean. His logs are inspiring.

Make sure you eat clean and lean, drop sugars as much as possible (stevia-maltodextrin big bag at Walmart is cheap and good table sugar replacement).
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Yeah I’m trying to cut as much sugar as possible, but I’m having trouble cutting out my Mt. Dew addiction. so I’m switching to one mini Mt. Dew a day and the orange juice for the creatine as far as sugar goes.
 
Just stick to 3-5g anytime of the day.
 
MistrJay said:
Yeah I’m trying to cut as much sugar as possible, but I’m having trouble cutting out my Mt. Dew addiction. so I’m switching to one mini Mt. Dew a day and the orange juice for the creatine as far as sugar goes.
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don't drink orange juice with creatine, at least that is what I was told a long time ago and have always followed--grape juice is what I was told is the best to mix with creatine, so that's what I do.
 
thebigt said:
don't drink orange juice with creatine, at least that is what I was told a long time ago and have always followed--grape juice is what I was told is the best to mix with creatine, so that's what I do.
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We all know that neither OJ nor grape juice are the optimal “juice” to take with your Creatine.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Why not use Creatine on a cut? It can increase strength, which can help you preserve strength while cutting. It’s also been shown to help maintain performance during an overreaching period, and it can be argued that a cut can be similar to overreaching.

As for effects on cutting, it shouldn’t hinder any actual fat loss, you’ll just remain a few pounds heavier as opposed to dropping the intracellular (good) water from Creatine. OP isn’t planning on stepping on stage from how much weight he says he wants to lose, so I don’t see a slight water retention being an issue really.
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Right, why?

I used creatine all the way up to show day of my bb show. Weird how ppl think creatine should be stopped.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It was a joke about a nickname for steroids being “juice.” Just use the Creatine; what (consumable) liquid you put it in isn’t all that important TBH.
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Haha oh okay. I gotcha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It was a joke about a nickname for steroids being “juice.” Just use the Creatine; what (consumable) liquid you put it in isn’t all that important TBH.
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I agree...the 'don't mix creatine with orange juice' is not the current thinking. I still like grape juice though, lol.
 
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