First Sd Cyle

Thorn

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First SD Cycle

Hi, I've run about 5 cycles previously including Epi, Hdrol, P-Mag, Epi/Tren-dione etc and had some good results. PCT has all been with Nolva and a combo of DAA, Erase, Formasurge and I've had decent recovery.

Now I've got some experience I'm looking to run a lean bulk cycle on something a bit stronger and am looking at SD. Been doing a lot of reading and a lot of logs and posts are older so wanted to check current thinking on an SD cycle and PCT.

I've run 6-7 week cycles previously due to the compounds and had no issue keeping gains but was looking for some confirmation on retaining gains on a shorter SD cycle. I've seen a few threads on bridging into Epi on the last week of SD for another 4 weeks. I'd like to make the most of this cycle as its going to be my last for a year or so so is it worth doing something like this ?

SD 10/20/20
Epi 0/0/30/40/40/40/40

Or possibly go to a 4th week on the SD and push the Epi back a week if I'm doing OK ?

I've suffered pretty badly with lethargy/libido a few weeks into cycles in the past so have previously stacked with Stano or 4AD. Though I've taken Stano up to 1000mg and not really felt much. Again I've seen some logs where people have had success with Dermacrine to combat sides. Worth throwing in a few pumps a day during the cycle ? Or is there something else non methylated I could try ?

I've always used an all in one cycle support and thrown in some extra NAC. I'm more concerned about liver damage with SD so was wondering if it was worth getting hold of some TUDCA for extra protection - or would that be overkill. for an extra few notes I'm thinking it might be worth the peace of mind.

I'm planning Nolva for PCT, usual 4 week tapering dose. i.e 40/20/20/10 My understanding is that I shouldn't need an AI for SD and Nolva should be fine solo. Is that correct still ? Worth having something just in case, ATD ? Anything else worth throwing in for PCT ?

Obviously I'll be running all my usual support supps on top of the above

Appreciate any advice/pointers
 
Wow dude for a first sd cycle you've got it pretty spot on
Tudca yes worth it
Ai yes just in case get some exemestene for cycle and pct rebound
All in one cycle ass is good though I like using individual stuff so I can adjust it
Get some coq 10 enzyme helps with headaches you might get
And extra hawthorn berry for bp
Don't know bout the epi but I've ran alpha 20 for 3 then straight into sd for 3 worked great but I was pretty much done by the end all stacked with pro tren but watch your body listen to it
Run stano at 1200 and get some fadogia agrestis that'll help with fatigue and getting a woody!
Nolv works better than clo with sd I believe to and I like your dosage just use the ai
 
Oh up your carbs a bit will make you feel better and dont run at 10 it's a waste in my op 20/30 is sd sweet spot
 
goat23 said:
Wow dude for a first sd cycle you've got it pretty spot on
Tudca yes worth it
Ai yes just in case get some exemestene for cycle and pct rebound
All in one cycle ass is good though I like using individual stuff so I can adjust it
Get some coq 10 enzyme helps with headaches you might get
And extra hawthorn berry for bp
Don't know bout the epi but I've ran alpha 20 for 3 then straight into sd for 3 worked great but I was pretty much done by the end all stacked with pro tren but watch your body listen to it
Run stano at 1200 and get some fadogia agrestis that'll help with fatigue and getting a woody!
Nolv works better than clo with sd I believe to and I like your dosage just use the ai
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Thanks, was hoping with previous experiences and the research I was there or thereabouts.
Will take a look at the supps you mentioned.

And typically I'd bring the AI in 3rd week of the Nolva and and extend past the end but tapering down to take care of any rebound. Stick with that ?
 
goat23 said:
Oh up your carbs a bit will make you feel better and dont run at 10 it's a waste in my op 20/30 is sd sweet spot
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Yup, read about keeping carbs high to prevent lethargy and provide workout fuel. was planning about 500 cals over TDEE, eating clean and a 40/40/20 split so pro and cho are good and high
 
Sick cycle, get some good liver support. I would add the TUDCA and some Tioctic Acid, along with milk whistle.
 
FranARG said:
Sick cycle, get some good liver support. I would add the TUDCA and some Tioctic Acid, along with milk whistle.
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Thanks. Tudca is on order and milk thistle and nac is in my cycle support so should all be good liver wise

I'm actually toying with the idea of stacking both dermacrine and stano having read a few recommendations :)

Also have some osta so may throw that into pct. Might as well make the most of my last cycle for a while
 
There are mixed opinions about Osta being suppresive at a low dosage. I have never tried Osta, but I would say it is suppresive, just to be safe.
 
My understanding was that low dose was ok for pct. But I guess if there's a risk it won't help recovery I'll save it
 
There are people who sware and show bloods that show that at low dosages it is not suppresive, but then there are others (the mayority from what I have read) that say that it is suppresive.
I would stay on the safe side.

Good luck!
 
FranARG said:
There are people who sware and show bloods that show that at low dosages it is not suppresive, but then there are others (the mayority from what I have read) that say that it is suppresive.
I would stay on the safe side.

Good luck!
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Think that's a good call. I'll save it for a solo run after pct and a decent break
 
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