First prohormone setup help

TooNatty

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Im going to be starting my first prohormone cycle since I feel as if I hit my genetic potential. Im 28, and have been training naturally for 16 years. I`m 6`0, and 205lb, 13% bf. I was looking for a prohormone that can produce a good amount of dry gains(not too water weight). I was looking at running either MSTEN, DMZ, or H-DROL. I have on cycle all planned out, and I also have pct planned out.
PCT- Pes erase
DAA
Fish oil
Creatine
Iron labs PCT
(I can get a SERM like nolva, but I`m not sure if it is necessary since both erase and iron labs pct reduces estro) <----- Help me out on this one guys.
What other things should I add to my pct stack, and which compound should I choose for my first cycle?
Thanks guys for your help.
 
H drol

50/50/50/75/75

LGI damage control throughout for on cycle support

PCT

Nolva 20/20/10/10

I don't believe in OTC test boosters but you can get one if you want.

Good brands... LGI, Celtic, iron flex , Olympus labs
 
Hdrol 75/75/75/75/100/100
or
dmz 30/30/45/45/45
(dosing's individual so go by feel)

Pct:

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Daa: 3g e/d
erase: 0/0/3/2/2/1 (There are better ai's out there though)
Ironlabs pct not necessary but if you have it go ahead and use it.

Fish oil, creatine, taurine. Throughout cycle
 
You need a serm for all those especially MSTEN and DMZ as I believe they are even harsher, dimethylated. I'd go with DMZ as that is goin to be my next cycle and the gains from DMZ are dry and lean, MSTEN is a bit wet. DMZ low dosed for a first cycle is what I'd suggest. Also get TUDCA for liver support on cycle, if you haven't already
 
Thanks for the replys guys, I think I'm going to run lgi DMZ 15. What are some effective AI`s I could use for pct?
 
Look at the board sponsors and use the coupons.

Aromasin usually isn't the cheapest thing.

Formeron isn't always cheap either.

That Formabolic looks legit and is usually a few bucks cheaper like they said.

Just don't rely on that junk ass OTC AI pills.
There okay, but I wouldn't rely on them solely.
 
That's true, but I got gyno ON a non aromatizing cycle, so personally I will run it.

AI in pct to prevent rebound from the serm.

Once again, my choice, it's up to you OP.

I'm not going through this Letro **** again if I don't have to.
 
Do whatever you want. I think a lot of ppl waste money on cycle support and AIs but that's their choice.

I've run >40 cycles and have normal/high free/total test off cycle, normal/low LDL and high hdl, and never had gyno, and I've only run an AI with dbol/trest/test and mostly only rely on tudca, telmisartan, and omega 3s on cycle.
 
I just want to be clear, so your saying because a compound does not aromatize there is no chance of gyno on cycle?

And your also saying that there is no need for an AI in pct to prevent rebound? Why did you just run 2 AI"s in pct then?

And your also saying you don't waste $ on cycle support because all you need is Tudca?

So why not buy Tudca instead of double dosing the rehab you just used and spending twice as much money?

You have a lot more experience than me and there's no question you have more knowledge, but the **** your saying isn't adding up.

I won't be THAT GUY to give advice and end up giving some guy gyno and health issues to save $60 on cycle support and AI"s.
 
BlumpkinKing said:
H drol

50/50/50/75/75

LGI damage control throughout for on cycle support

PCT

Nolva 20/20/10/10

I don't believe in OTC test boosters but you can get one if you want.

Good brands... LGI, Celtic, iron flex , Olympus labs
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Trib will help with you libido during PCT. I'm giving DAA a try on this next cycle, but I don't expect it do anything past improve libido and maybe energy a little. As far as actual gym results go, I agree, never noticed anything with OTC boosters.
 
Peppers said:
I just want to be clear, so your saying because a compound does not aromatize there is no chance of gyno on cycle?
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No but there's no point in using an AI on cycle with a non-aromatizing agent unless you are gyno prone (had pre-pubertal gyno or gyno from a prior, non-aromatizing cycle). The vast majority of people won't get gyno from non-aromatizing agents.

And your also saying that there is no need for an AI in pct to prevent rebound?
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Generally it's not needed, but it depends on the agent and the PCT. IMO it's probably not necessary with novla at 20/20/10/10. If you're running DAA you should provably run an AI but that's more a function of the DAA than rebound.

Do you understand the physiology of "rebound" gyno? It's not rebound per se but elevated estrogen from the serm. As you decrease the serm, the elevated estrogen is more free to act. If you're tapering the serm, which most protocols do (ie, 20/20/10/10) the estrogen should drop because you're lowering the dose of the serm. Presumably by the time you're stopping it, it's low enough. If you've had problems with gyno in the past, by all means run an AI. Otherwise it's probably not necessary.

And your also saying you don't waste $ on cycle support because all you need is Tudca?

So why not buy Tudca instead of double dosing the rehab you just used and spending twice as much money?
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There's no evidence that shows that any agent besides tudca dosed orally prevents or alleviates the effects of steroid induced cholestasis. NAC when given IV has shown questionable benefit but at doses so high to be utterly prohibitive (20-30g a day at the very least). I will run only tudca for liver protection, telmisartan for blood pressure, and omega 3 for lipid support on future cycles.

You have a lot more experience than me and there's no question you have more knowledge, but the **** your saying isn't adding up.

I won't be THAT GUY to give advice and end up giving some guy gyno and health issues to save $60 on cycle support and AI"s.
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Read above.
 
All that **** you just typed out, only makes me look even more right.

IMO
VAST
PRESUMABLY

Those are all ways of saying, I'm basically correct.

Not trying to get into a pissing match, cause you helped me out a lot, and I've learned a lot from you. I just disagree with you on these points.
 
Alright bro, un neccasary products?

I saw your ****ing pct.

Great to have all that ****, but you had quite a few Benjamin's spent on that.

That **** was excessive, who is wasting money?

Come on, let the thread die lol
 
If 99% of people won't have a side effect, should everyone spend $50 for the 1% chance they might? If you ask a supplement company the answer will undoubtedly be yes. My vote is no.
 
Peppers said:
Alright bro, un neccasary products?

I saw your ****ing pct.

Great to have all that ****, but you had quite a few Benjamin's spent on that.

That **** was excessive, who is wasting money?

Come on, let the thread die lol
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I have a near infinite amount of supplements and other gear here, most of which I didn't pay for. If I was paying for what I was using I'd structure things very differently.
 
Mystere3 said:
I have a near infinite amount of supplements and other gear here, most of which I didn't pay for. If I was paying for what I was using I'd structure things very differently.
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I figured that, but I didn't know.

It's all good, hey man, thanks for helping me when I PM you.

Just so people know, I do take your advice.
 
Peppers said:
Lol

He's a good guy, like I said, I've learned quite a bit from him, don't wanna argue.

Just feel like his advice is totally opposite the usual.

Like somebody hacked his account lol
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Put it this way.

If someone is running a cycle in which gyno is likely to be an issue; ie, anything with trest, dbol, m14add, then by all means add an AI.

Cycle assist is w/e. I think it's a waste of $ but it's not going to hurt you to run it and it's $29, w/e.

I just think the rec of AI on every cycle and in pct is excessive. Also, arimidex is certainly unnecessary. Running formeron isn't going to hurt you and while expensive is w/e. Arimidex or letro could have bad side effects and I wouldn't recommend running them unless you actually have gyno.
 
I agree.

But when I reccomend an AI on cycles, it's because I got gyno on a dry cycle and I don't want other people to go through that ****.

Guys get gyno on cycle and say, WTF I thought I didn't need an AI?
Then a smartass on here will say, "Obviously you did bro"

I'm not telling him to dose the **** out of any AI, but a low dose EOD or E3D or E4D is not gunna hurt.
If you get to dry, back off of it.
 
Adex, letro, aromasin, formeron etc can all be used at a dose equivalent to each other.

Adex is not excessive in pct, that's what OP asked, if he could use it in PCT.
 
I hate adex, I'd never use it period. It's as bad as letro IMO. Btw I'm referring to the pharma versions of all these meds. No idea about RC versions.
 
Mystere3 said:
I hate adex, I'd never use it period. It's as bad as letro IMO. Btw I'm referring to the pharma versions of all these meds. No idea about RC versions.
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I don't like adex either, as I did not reccomend it.

That may also be playing in a big part in are AI opinions. I've never used pharma, only RC.
So I'm sure mine aren't dosed as accordingly as yours.

You still love me bro? Lmao
 
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