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First Pro hormone Cycle Epi/Ultrahard

ironfiend23

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Could use some help. I have not ran any kind of hormone cycle in about 20 years back when Avant was around with their stuff.


At 42, I have ran a lot of supps over the past year and a pretty significant injury history has made progress tougher to come by these days but I'm consistent nonethless.

I thought I would try to get more bang for my buck and have read good things about iconic. I'm going to be finishing up a mild cut for the next 5 weeks or so. After that I was thinking of Ultra Hard at 5pumps and Epiandro at 5pumps stacked along with 50mg XPG Dhea (currently using). and running that for 8-10 weeks.

Would the recommended PCT be a Serm from MA Research with something like Reduce XT and Alpha Gel/M-Test? Thanks!
 
Transdermal epi andro comes out to roughly 2 x the oral dose. Which means your looking at taking 2 x 375mg + 2 x 450mg = 1650mg of epiandro right out of the gate + 125mg or androsterone. This would leave me feeling sick as fk.

You only need to run 1 of these products - not both. I will also suggest to start off at 3 pumps and bring it up to 4-5 pumps in a couple of weeks and then run it out until the can is finished.
 
botk1161 said:
Transdermal epi andro comes out to roughly 2 x the oral dose. Which means your looking at taking 2 x 375mg + 2 x 450mg = 1650mg of epiandro right out of the gate + 125mg or androsterone. This would leave me feeling sick as fk.

You only need to run 1 of these products - not both. I will also suggest to start off at 3 pumps and bring it up to 4-5 pumps in a couple of weeks and then run it out until the can is finished.
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Ok Great, thank you. I had read about 900mg epiandro being a sweet spot but didn't realize that was the oral. Thank you!
 
ironfiend23 said:
Could use some help. I have not ran any kind of hormone cycle in about 20 years back when Avant was around with their stuff.


At 42, I have ran a lot of supps over the past year and a pretty significant injury history has made progress tougher to come by these days but I'm consistent nonethless.

I thought I would try to get more bang for my buck and have read good things about iconic. I'm going to be finishing up a mild cut for the next 5 weeks or so. After that I was thinking of Ultra Hard at 5pumps and Epiandro at 5pumps stacked along with 50mg XPG Dhea (currently using). and running that for 8-10 weeks.

Would the recommended PCT be a Serm from MA Research with something like Reduce XT and Alpha Gel/M-Test? Thanks!
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did you end up running this? If so, how did it treat you?
 
I started this week... not sure if its placebo but so far I feel pretty good. Not sure if its too early to expect results though and it's more mental.
 
A lot of users report feeling these pretty darn fast - I bet you're going to feel GREAT next week. should see a great boost in libido and mood pretty early on.
 
I did notice today @delsolrob some increased shedding and there has been some since Thursday as well. I know there is no such thing a free lunch. I feel so good on this so far though that I'd hate to stop. Plan on reassessing in 1 week.

I'm using the shampoo that @Dustin07 recommended . I had been using products from a company called superior mane before this that seemed a bit scammy but I had noticed mildly thicker hair over 7 weeks. I'm working this in as well.

Anyone have any experience with topicals (minoxidil or finasteride). Would they be worth it for a cycle like this?
 
That makes sense with all the epiandro you're running - I've used the minoxidil from Costco for some shedding - got a bunch pretty cheap. but, I'm sure some of those shampoos also work really well. I would get that going sooner than later

here's a link to the minoxidil I got from Costco, you can also get it on amazon
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ironfiend23 said:
I'm using the shampoo that @Dustin07 recommended . I had been using products from a company called superior mane before this that seemed a bit scammy but I had noticed mildly thicker hair over 7 weeks. I'm working this in as well.
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so I was at grocery outlet the other day and they had the shampoo in a larger bottle for only $14, and next to it this conditioner for $14 as well so I basically got a bottle of each for less than 1/2 price. they last a pretty long time for me too

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delsolrob said:
That makes sense with all the epiandro you're running - I've used the minoxidil from Costco for some shedding - got a bunch pretty cheap. but, I'm sure some of those shampoos also work really well. I would get that going sooner than later

here's a link to the minoxidil I got from Costco, you can also get it on amazon
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how does the dropper style work, do you just... drop it then massage it into the scalp a bit with the fingers? I used to get a spray one on amazon that I can't find on there anymore.
 
nice... I ordered mine off of amazon. Same company but a yellow label...big bottle but like 29 bucks... Also picked up the minoxidil....Will give this about 3 weeks to see if the juice is worth the squeeze.

And @delsolrob I'm currently just using the androhard as far as epi..ordered oral epiandro to add pre workout, but haven't started it. Prob won't at this point
 
So weird thing is ...last week after diet was mediocre for 3 days and then on on point for 6 ...I looked as lean as I had in quite some time. Inbody scale put me at sub 10%. BF which is prob closer to 10-12. Also felt it in clothes and wife snapped some pics on a mini vacation. Everyone commenting on abs and shoulders.

Diet was eh over that short trip and weekend. One meal per day with mostly steak and veggies maybe like 1/4 Cup starch but a few drinks (one night more than a few...but we had a great kid free night lol) Also hiked 3-5 miles per day and swam though.

This week definitely not noticing a bounce back or the same level of leanness. Workouts through today have been ok but not awesome. Sense of well being hasn't been as strong. Haven't noticed a significant libido change.

Anyone else notice a pop the first week then a drop off? Still seeing some shedding in the shower. Ordered Topical Minox and Fina with a keta shampoo to alternate with the pur'a dor.

Still looking to run this through 3 weeks but may be cutting it short with the shedding.
 
ironfiend23 said:
Anyone else notice a pop the first week then a drop off?
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ah, kinda funny you said that cause I litearlly just posted this in the other thread:
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Dustin07 said:
I typically notice bouts of euphoria at dosing the first couple days, then don't notice it again for the duration.
I feel like I see improved gym aggression/motivation within a week, and unfortunately the majority of the physical changes and improvements I notice at 4+ weeks depending on dose which is why I have tended to go longer, or higher on my dosing lol.
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ironfiend23 said:
Still seeing some shedding in the shower. Ordered Topical Minox and Fina with a keta shampoo to alternate with the pur'a dor.
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now I could be wrong but IIRC, minox can actually create some short term shedding as well as it rejuvenates the follicles/pores? I could be wrong on that. but I thought I recall reading a ton of reviews that said make sure you run it for "X" amount of time because you'll shed a bit, then fill out.

have you ever "looked" for shedding before this? reason I ask is because it's easy to wonder if its normal shedding that humans do daily or if it's excessive. I typically see 3-6 hairs in my hand during the conditioner portion.

The reason I noticed shedding on epi was because I had never noticed hair in my hands before except back in 2019 when I was running a second business and stress was high. I sold the biz, stress dropped, and I didn't again notice it until I started playing with a couple TDs. but some hair shedding is normal human life, even seasonally. just hair that sheds and grows back. my paranoia came from the fact that I have zero baldness in my family so I assumed I was causing it.
 
You're just running ultrahard right now right? at the recommended daily dose? When I first started on it, I only ran it preWO. later cycles I ran it daily, then later on another cycle I ran it daily + an oral. I'm still not bald. (knock on wood, lol)
 
Yes, I believe you're correct on the minox. I am hesitant to start it until after because of that which may be counterproductive. I am seeing about 3-5 hairs per day but I'm pretty sure it has been about 0-1 prior. I had started taking hair care a bit more seriously and bought some non hormonal shampoo/conditioner and supplements that seemed to help.

Yes, I am running the Ultra Hard at 5 pumps. I have also been on DHEA 50 from XPG for about 2 months and running XPG Carnitine at 4 pumps with bunch of Fat loss Supps from Evomuse and SNS. Its a huge stack.I wouldn't be as frustrated if I looked as lean as I did last week lol. Anyway, bought that intelligent shampoo and will alternate with the pur'a dor and got some topical minox/fina spray. I figure worse case scenario if I stop around labor day I could run those products for 3-5 months and return back to UH to see if they help mitigate.
 
My original plan was to run 8-10 weeks of UH with the Fat Loss Regimen and Prime for the first 4 weeks Then the last 4-5 UH with 300mg epiandrolean and follow up with XPG Alpha Gel/ M Test/ Prime/ Urolithin B and possibly X Gels but I may save that for a different run. Goal was to increase strength/muscle for 10-16 weeks then another UH run if successful.
 
ironfiend23 said:
I have also been on DHEA 50 from XPG for about 2 months and running XPG Carnitine at 4 pumps
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great products. I'm loving the XPG carnitine! I ran XPG DHEA last winter which is normally my bad time of year (seasonal affective) and despite my wife having massive medical issues I felt like I maintained a better and more even keeled mood during what is normally the hardest time of year for me. the dhea was a nice additive to my regiment.

ironfiend23 said:
I wouldn't be as frustrated if I looked as lean as I did last week lol
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well we all know how that is...without knowing for sure your dietary consistency etc its easy for a little water retention to soften things briefly.

ironfiend23 said:
My original plan was to run 8-10 weeks of UH with the Fat Loss Regimen and Prime for the first 4 weeks Then the last 4-5 UH with 300mg epiandrolean and follow up with XPG Alpha Gel/ M Test/ Prime/ Urolithin B and possibly X Gels but I may save that for a different run. Goal was to increase strength/muscle for 10-16 weeks then another UH run if successful.
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sounds pretty solid to me. I love XPG Alpha Gel with my or as my PCT. from his product lines, I have had great success with Anabolic XT for strength gains. in fact many of m PRs in the last 2 years have been while on it. I also found Anabolix Effect to be a dynamite addition for holding on to strength while in a caloric deficit. those have been my personal experiences. Phosphatidic Acid XT was fantastic as well. I've had many bottles of it.
 
Well, Unfortunately 'm going to have to end this cycle. Shedding is too great and not sure where the body recomp went this week. Diet was on point. I will be stepping down ...on 3 pumps today... 2 tomorrow and 1 on Sunday.

Very bummed.

Also made me extend my supp budget quite a bit as I was planning on this for ten weeks.

Moving forward: When my flex it order comes in I will be running Alpha Gel at 3-4 pumps + 1ml of arimahex I have laying around. M Test, Recomp 20, AXT, AE, Anacylus XT and Urolithin B at 3-4 caps per day + XPG Carnitine.

May have to bite the bullet and look into a clinic at some point lol.
 
ironfiend23 said:
Well, Unfortunately 'm going to have to end this cycle. Shedding is too great and not sure where the body recomp went this week. Diet was on point. I will be stepping down ...on 3 pumps today... 2 tomorrow and 1 on Sunday.

Very bummed.

Also made me extend my supp budget quite a bit as I was planning on this for ten weeks.

Moving forward: When my flex it order comes in I will be running Alpha Gel at 3-4 pumps + 1ml of arimahex I have laying around. M Test, Recomp 20, AXT, AE, Anacylus XT and Urolithin B at 3-4 caps per day + XPG Carnitine.

May have to bite the bullet and look into a clinic at some point lol.
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If Ultra Hard makes you shed, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but TRT will cause much greater hair loss.

Had a friend who went on 70mg of test a week at 27, due to low T. Had a full head of hair, his MPB hasn’t kicked in yet. After a year on a very low dose of test, he had to get pretty much a full hair transplant.
If you have MPB, which I assume you do because of your shedding, going on test is going to finish the job
 
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Joshlm69 said:
If Ultra Hard makes you shed, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but TRT will cause much greater hair loss.

Had a friend who went on 70mg of test a week at 27, due to low T. Had a full head of hair, his MPB hasn’t kicked in yet. After a year on a very low dose of test, he had to get pretty much a full hair transplant.
If you have MPB, which I assume you do because of your shedding, going on test is going to finish the job
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Good to know! I was kind of making a double entendre (clinically insane in addition to a TRT clinic) because I was jumping back into another stack of a bunch of stuff. Going to have to cool down. Always have had training and nutrition locked. Getting older/kids/injuries have made things way more erratic as far as progress. Was nice to have a little bump here. That is very good to know Regarding TRT if I ever do truly become interested
 
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