First Pin

Shiznitzz

Shiznitzz

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Whats up guys

So I took my first pin yesterday, I'm running doses every 4 days in the delts at 150mg tren e, 225mg test cyp, 40mg dbol ed, 1mg anastrazole ed with 450mg milk thistle as liver support for the oral.

So far I don't feel much different but that is expected, I don't expect too much of a difference for the next week and a half or so.

Pretty excited about the stuff
 
Tren for a first cycle?
 
You do realise the pro hormone tren and the injectable are two completely different thinga right? To each his own, enjoy.
 
Also playing with the idea of tren for my next cut. Do me a favour and let me know how the low dose tren works out.
 
mixedup said:
he's pinning tren eth. just hopes it works out
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Tren E has less sides for most, the problem is should you get the extreme sides it takes longer to clear the system as opposed to ace, I would also have taken my chances with E :D
 
Are your stats for bodyweight and lifts up to date?

Not being able to bench bodyweight or squat 3 plates and pinning tren seems like a waste of the ace card.

I guess I’m just hating, but it’s your body and priorities. Hopefully it will be really great and you’ll be very glad you went for it.

Train hard!
 
So uh... Wow. Balls deep is right. Get yourself some raloxifene immediately and just keep that on hand. First sign of gyno and its your new BFF. Also Swim is 100% right you should feel the Dbol right away when it dissolves and absorbs, so if you didn't notice that then it could be some bunk.

Secondly, that's way too much arimidex, you're gonna crash your estrogens. Reduce it to half a mg EOD unless blood work or symptoms show a need to increase it.

Third, you need NAC and tudca. Period. Milk thistle is worthless, throw it into the trash. Tren is also liver toxic, not just the Dbol you're on.

And finally, what is your planned pct? I suggest having HCG and Clomid on hand at least and starting with a blast of HCG and some nolvadex about two weeks after your final pin.
 
Hyde said:
Are your stats for bodyweight and lifts up to date?

Not being able to bench bodyweight or squat 3 plates and pinning tren seems like a waste of the ace card.

I guess I’m just hating, but it’s your body and priorities. Hopefully it will be really great and you’ll be very glad you went for it.

Train hard!
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I am down to 200lbs bodyweight and my bench is at 230, i haven't updated my stats yet. My squat is 310 currently.
 
Old Witch said:
So uh... Wow. Balls deep is right. Get yourself some raloxifene immediately and just keep that on hand. First sign of gyno and its your new BFF. Also Swim is 100% right you should feel the Dbol right away when it dissolves and absorbs, so if you didn't notice that then it could be some bunk.

Secondly, that's way too much arimidex, you're gonna crash your estrogens. Reduce it to half a mg EOD unless blood work or symptoms show a need to increase it.

Third, you need NAC and tudca. Period. Milk thistle is worthless, throw it into the trash. Tren is also liver toxic, not just the Dbol you're on.

And finally, what is your planned pct? I suggest having HCG and Clomid on hand at least and starting with a blast of HCG and some nolvadex about two weeks after your final pin.
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What is dumb is that when he ends up f3cked up...he wont know why. Tren E can kick your ass bro...all those steroid horror stories you heard as a kid can come true with tren...did for me...hope it works out...if not...maybe ill see you on the news
 
Old Witch said:
So uh... Wow. Balls deep is right. Get yourself some raloxifene immediately and just keep that on hand. First sign of gyno and its your new BFF. Also Swim is 100% right you should feel the Dbol right away when it dissolves and absorbs, so if you didn't notice that then it could be some bunk.

Secondly, that's way too much arimidex, you're gonna crash your estrogens. Reduce it to half a mg EOD unless blood work or symptoms show a need to increase it.

Third, you need NAC and tudca. Period. Milk thistle is worthless, throw it into the trash. Tren is also liver toxic, not just the Dbol you're on.

And finally, what is your planned pct? I suggest having HCG and Clomid on hand at least and starting with a blast of HCG and some nolvadex about two weeks after your final pin.
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Nolvadex is my pct and is on hand. I'll get some tudca if it is really needed, I've read elsewhere that 450-700mg milk thistle will do just fine at 300mg of tren a week
 
That’s a lot of adex for a first pin cycle isn’t it? If you’ve never dialled in an ai before is there a reason for starting so high?

I mean obviously the whole tren for a first cycle is interesting but that’s already been mentioned.....
 
Shiznitzz said:
I am down to 200lbs bodyweight and my bench is at 230, i haven't updated my stats yet. My squat is 310 currently.
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I’m not being a dik here bro but at that bodyweight and given that you’ve run some ph cycles those numbers seem a bit low - how confident are you that your training is on point? Are you working with a coach?
 
I'll be honest I feel really bad for what's about to happen to this guy and that we're probably powerless to stop it. At least the raloxifene will stop the tits from growing. Just too bad about the whole never having kids ever again and horrific acne scars.
 
Old Witch said:
I'll be honest I feel really bad for what's about to happen to this guy and that we're probably powerless to stop it. At least the raloxifene will stop the tits from growing. Just too bad about the whole never having kids ever again and horrific acne scars.
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Then what do you suggest my friend
 
Whisky said:
I’m not being a dik here bro but at that bodyweight and given that you’ve run some ph cycles those numbers seem a bit low - how confident are you that your training is on point? Are you working with a coach?
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The last ph cycle I ran was when they were still legal. I understand the implications and ran two cycles successfully, bench went up to 270, squat went up to 375, and deadlift 350. I have not since ran a cycle until this point.

I am confident about the training regimen I am currently on.
 
Did what you did, 500 tren e 750 test e mast e 750 first blast. Went balls deep, didn’t regret it. Just make sure you eat enough especially for the tren man. Pretty much was the only thing that held me back was getting enough calories. Might want to order some mk677, for hunger stimulation(seriously consider it).Only other thing I didn’t do correctly was stay on top of the estrogen and prolactin.
 
Old Witch said:
Drop the tren completely, reduce the arimidex. Simplest solution. Save the tren for like your 35th cycle.
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Youre right, I'm overdosing the adex, glad I come here instead of just blindly doing ****. Making adjustments is better than no adjustments when doing things wrong.

300mg of tren e (150 every 4 days), will that really **** me up that bad?
 
Shiznitzz said:
The last ph cycle I ran was when they were still legal. I understand the implications and ran two cycles successfully, bench went up to 270, squat went up to 375, and deadlift 350. I have not since ran a cycle until this point.

I am confident about the training regimen I am currently on.
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Assuming you mean 450 on dead those are solid numbers so you should regain some muscle quickly, to be honest if it’s been that long since you ran a cycle then you’ll get great gains from pretty much anything.

Imo the tren is pretty much wasted, you’ll probably gain as much off just the test and dbol.....

Definitely think you want to reconsider that adex dose though, I’m using 0.5 eod currently with 600 test e pw and that seems about right for me - but I started lower as for lots of people less than that is the sweet spot.
 
Whisky said:
Assuming you mean 450 on dead those are solid numbers so you should regain some muscle quickly, to be honest if it’s been that long since you ran a cycle then you’ll get great gains from pretty much anything.

Imo the tren is pretty much wasted, you’ll probably gain as much off just the test and dbol.....

Definitely think you want to reconsider that adex dose though, I’m using 0.5 eod currently with 600 test e pw and that seems about right for me - but I started lower as for lots of people less than that is the sweet spot.
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Im taking my dose to .5mg eod, the last thing I want to do is crash myself lol

I already got the gear though, might as well use it
 
cody199477 said:
Did what you did, 500 tren e 750 test e mast e 750 first blast. Went balls deep, didn’t regret it. Just make sure you eat enough especially for the tren man. Pretty much was the only thing that held me back was getting enough calories. Might want to order some mk677, for hunger stimulation(seriously consider it).Only other thing I didn’t do correctly was stay on top of the estrogen and prolactin.
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Got that Cabaser for prolactin ;)
 
cody199477 said:
Did what you did, 500 tren e 750 test e mast e 750 first blast. Went balls deep, didn’t regret it. Just make sure you eat enough especially for the tren man. Pretty much was the only thing that held me back was getting enough calories. Might want to order some mk677, for hunger stimulation(seriously consider it).Only other thing I didn’t do correctly was stay on top of the estrogen and prolactin.
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Boobies-R-Us?
 
Shiznitzz said:
Youre right, I'm overdosing the adex, glad I come here instead of just blindly doing ****. Making adjustments is better than no adjustments when doing things wrong.

300mg of tren e (150 every 4 days), will that really **** me up that bad?
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It for sure could. Listen man, i ran tren e after 10 years of running injects. 400 a week of tren e. I was so f3cked up i thought i was going to have to commit myself to the psych ward...real talk. And im a big dude...400 hit me like a damn train...i have never, and never will, run tren e again. Tren e is a very very very bad way to find out if you can handle tren...because if..two weeks in..you are in a complete psychotic state..you are stuck like that for a week. Its not like that for everyone, but for many, it can be. Why learn the hard way? What is your rush?
 
Shiznitzz said:
Youre right, I'm overdosing the adex, glad I come here instead of just blindly doing ****. Making adjustments is better than no adjustments when doing things wrong.

300mg of tren e (150 every 4 days), will that really **** me up that bad?
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Completely person dependent. Some people can do 600mg+ Tren and feel minimal sides if any, other people take 100mg and get wrecked.

Best thing to do now is to forget about possible side effects, placebo effect, you know? Also from what I've read it may be a lot better to run the tren higher than test.
 
1mg of adex ED seems way too much.
You should maybe try day of injection and bump up if needed.
You should also have at least prami ready just in case.
 
jakz said:
Completely person dependent. Some people can do 600mg+ Tren and feel minimal sides if any, other people take 100mg and get wrecked.

Best thing to do now is to forget about possible side effects, placebo effect, you know? Also from what I've read it may be a lot better to run the tren higher than test.
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Yeah I'm in my first week so far, no sides to report besides one coughing episode that lasted about 45 seconds. Next pin is Friday and then Tuesday. It does feel like I got punched in the arm but thats not bad.

Strength on dbol is noticible, 3rd day strength and pumps are starting to increase, no bloating to report.

Reduced my ai to .5mg eod per recommendation.
 
Cgkone said:
1mg of adex ED seems way too much.
You should maybe try day of injection and bump up if needed.
You should also have at least prami ready just in case.
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I have caber to combat the prolactin once it decides to show its ugly head. Ive lowered my dosage of anastrazole to every other day
 
Shiznitzz said:
I have caber to combat the prolactin once it decides to show its ugly head. Ive lowered my dosage of anastrazole to every other day
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That sounds a lot more reasonable.. when I take Tren I feel like it literally eats estrogen
 
Shiznitzz said:
I have caber to combat the prolactin once it decides to show its ugly head. Ive lowered my dosage of anastrazole to every other day
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Caber is to prevent the release of prolactin in the first place. Once it starts caber might not help.

Raloxifene. You need raloxifene.

You need to understand tren is a progestin, which is a kind of estrogen, related to progesterone. it causes prolactin release in and of itself with zero conversion to another compound.
 
Old Witch said:
Caber is to prevent the release of prolactin in the first place. Once it starts caber might not help.

Raloxifene. You need raloxifene.

You need to understand tren is a progestin, which is a kind of estrogen, related to progesterone. it causes prolactin release in and of itself with zero conversion to another compound.
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I only just now started my cycle of tren, do you suggest I take caber eod? Its been 2 days since my pin. Would adex not limit the progestin binding that tren has?
 
Shiznitzz said:
I only just now started my cycle of tren, do you suggest I take caber eod? Its been 2 days since my pin. Would adex not limit the progestin binding that tren has?
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No, adex won't help one bit with that. Again how much caber you need is going to be personal just like the test/tren ratio and Adex dosage for sides etc... You picked expert mode for your first try, man.
 
Old Witch said:
No, adex won't help one bit with that. Again how much caber you need is going to be personal just like the test/tren ratio and Adex dosage for sides etc... You picked expert mode for your first try, man.
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Just the way I like it.

Going with .5mg e3d/wk for prolactin, will adjust dosage accordingly.
 
You do realize nobody survives Expert Mode in any game on their first try without a casualty, right?
 
Shiznitzz said:
Well we're about to find out

Balls out full blast
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Just take the raloxifene and caber, seriously. You can get a new job or gf if you lose them from tren, and even in time you could get out of prison, but gyno stays with you, til knife or death do you part
 
Hyde said:
Just take the raloxifene and caber, seriously. You can get a new job or gf if you lose them from tren, and even in time you could get out of prison, but gyno stays with you, til knife or death do you part
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My normal guy's got ralo, i'll be getting it here in the next couple days
 
Hyde said:
You do realize nobody survives Expert Mode in any game on their first try without a casualty, right?
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Exactly my point �� Oh man... Even if he doesn't end up in prison while growing tits his next cycle is gonna suck ass unless he ups the tren. I'd hate to be in that position without a beastly bod to start with.
 
Day 4

dbol 40mg ed, next pin tomorrow, feeling strong already with very minimal sides. Pumps are nuts and muscle hardness is definitely noticible. Have had some minor back pumps and muscle twitching in my arms/legs, bloating is minimal. Normal maxes feel lighter. Overall sense of well-being, slight aggression, had some crazy dreams 2 nights after pinning, none since. Insomnia seems to be somewhat mitigated with 3mg melatonin for sleep, lets see how that continues.
 
Shiznitzz said:
Day 4

dbol 40mg ed, next pin tomorrow, feeling strong already with very minimal sides. Pumps are nuts and muscle hardness is definitely noticible. Have had some minor back pumps and muscle twitching in my arms/legs, bloating is minimal. Normal maxes feel lighter. Overall sense of well-being, slight aggression, had some crazy dreams 2 nights after pinning, none since. Insomnia seems to be somewhat mitigated with 3mg melatonin for sleep, lets see how that continues.
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Only day four and already getting the twitch eh? You're in for a hell of a time. Next week start trying to break PRs. Bet you get em.
 
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