First PH cycle * p-stanz*

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Hey guys. Im looking to run my first PH cycle soon. my goal is to cut some fat & get ripped with dry looking.

After researching it seems that high dosed p-stanz is what I am looking for..non methylated , DHT derivative , very mild on sides ...

plan to run it for 6 weeks dosing it up to 400 mg per day starting from the 2nd week.


cycle support supplements:

NAC
NOW Foods cholesterol support formula
hawthorn berry
Garlic

& Nolva for the PCT + Novedex xt ( ATD ) + Activate Xtreme

my Qs are:
do You think 400 mg per day is very high for the first cycle ? ( usually 300) /
milk thistle is it required ? or NAC is enough ? ( p-stanz is very mild on the liver even at high doses ) /

Note: I don't like CEL cycle assist or AI cycle support ( both contain saw palmetto that interfere with DHT prohormones ! ).
even N2guard has some unnecessary ingredients..

thnx in advance.
 
Saw palmatto don't do anything to any androgens, they act I believe on the ar by blocking it, but only in the prostate.

But I wouldn't use any supports for a 6 week psatnz cycle, even at 600mg ed from day one.

But nothing wrong with being safe.

400mg for 6 weeks should be good though. Enjoy.
 
jbryand101b said:
Saw palmatto don't do anything to any androgens, they act I believe on the ar by blocking it, but only in the prostate.

But I wouldn't use any supports for a 6 week psatnz cycle, even at 600mg ed from day one.

But nothing wrong with being safe.

400mg for 6 weeks should be good though. Enjoy.
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I am not sure , saw works by shutting down the conversion of test to DHT not only in the prostate >

that is why it is containdicated when running the one ( = d-plex ). high estrogen and may be prolactin

are the main causes of prostatitis + prostatic enlargement.

hope CEL will throw it away from their assist formula .
 
You are mistaken my friend, wherever you are getting this info from, you should stop, and start looking for a more reliable source of info.
Dplex is already 5a reduced, it is a different kind of conversion to to methyl dht, the oximime or w/e group is hydrolized in the stomach acids to become hydroxy group, and activate the compound. It already pretty much is methyl dht, just inactive.
And I also rep for cel as well.
 
jbryand101b said:
Dplex is already 5a reduced .
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even if it is 5a reduced but we still need our ENDOGENOUS DHT PRODUCTION . the other theory by which saw works is by preventing DHT from being attached to the prostate ( & may be other tissues like the muscle tissue >> who knows :icon_lol:
forget to mention SNS Reduce xt :thumbsup: & L-dopa in the pct.
thnx for the help .
 
Saw Palmetto may reduce uptake of DHT by up to 40% in the studies i've seen, but this is STILL hit and miss in my opinion. The fear of Saw Palmetto is highly overstated.
 
Rhadam said:
. The fear of Saw Palmetto is highly overstated.
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& the fear of DHT is highly overstated too.
apart from N2guard , do You know any good cycle assist formula that doesn't contain the saw palmetto ?
thnx for the feedback.
 
if you want to get the most from aas, dont run any support supplements. this will also come with the most risk.

but i figure since you are worried about the miniscule possible negative effect saw palmetto may have on your cycle, then you'd also be interested in cuttion out all the possible supports that help lessen the possible side effects.

more gains, more sides, less sides, less gains. thats the way life is with aas.
 
This thread was exactly what I was thinking at this time...Good **** anyways any updates of progress bro?
 
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