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First Osta cycle

sanmarino said:
1. Cycle: Ostarine @ 20mg/ed @ 11 weeks. PCT: DAA
2. Cycle: Ostarine @ 20mg/ed @ 8 weeks. PCT: none
3. Cycle: LGD @ 5mg/ed @ 8 weeks. PCT: DAA + herbal product
4. Cycle: Ostarine @ 15mg/ed @ 12 weeks. PCT: DAA
5. Cycle: Ostarine + S-4 @ 20mg/ed + 50mg/ed @ 10 weeks. PCT: DAA + herbal product
6. Cycle: LGD + S-4 @ 7mg/ed + 50mg/ed @ 8 weeks. PCT: DAA + herbal product
7. Cycle: Ostarine @ 15mg/ed @ 10 weeks. PCT: none.
8. Cycle: LGD + S-4 + PPAR + GHS @ up to 10mg/ed LGD and up to 70mg/ed S-4 @ 10 weeks. PCT: 20mg/ed Tamoxifene + 10mg/ed Ostarine
9. Cycle: LGD @ 7mg/ed @ 8 weeks. PCT: DAA + herbal product
10. Cycle: Ostarine @ 12.5mg/ed @ 10 weeks. PCT: herbal product only
11. Planned Spring Cycle: YK-11 + RAD-140 + LGD + GHS @ 5mg/ed + 10mg/ed + 5mg/ed @ 10 weeks. PCT: 20mg/ed Tamoxifene + 10mg/ed Ostarine + 15mg/ed GW-501516

The breaks between the cycles were at least three months, between spring and winter up to 6 months (with two exceptions). Hmm, when listing them up it seems that were a lot of cycles I made...
Went up in these 4.5 years by 18kg, slight lower bodyfat and same hight (lol). That are 4kg mass per year. No illusion: with more engagement this should be possible to reach as a natural. But I won't lie: becauseof my work condition I have two "timeframes" per year, which I have much more time to train for than in the other two.
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Again, thanks for sharing your experiences. I am quite interested in doing your cycles #2 and #9, although the LGD would be at 8mg and I was thinking of keeping it at 6 weeks the first time around.
I forgot to ask a couple of questions. How many weeks of PCT did you do for the solo Osta and LGD cycles? What were your test levels at the end of the PCTs? Were your LH and FSH still within range for both Osta and LGD?
 
PCT - Week 2 - Day 13

This morning I left the house in a rush and forgot to take my PCT compounds. As today is a bulbine off day, that means that basically only the Rebirth and DAA will be half the dose for the day. However I have been feeling quite fine. Workouts have been good the last couple of days so I will try to space them out, just to rule out overtraining. I am also nearing the end of the second week of PCT and still looking good, per the "mirror test".

Just counted my bulbine and I have enough to reach the end of the PCT. I had initially planned on taking only three daily for four weeks. Switching to four daily in a 5-on-2-off, worked out nicely.
 
Just to update you guys, I have deceided to take a trip into the dark side. Started epiandro on week 7 of my Osta cycle, going to do 3-4 weeks stack depending on how it goes, so far day 3, complete aggression in the gym, I have a woody all night long and feeling great. The epiandro comes with arimitisine , epilean by epg,, so all is good, Nolva and erase pro+ ready for pct. I also have the new Olympus labs test booster on the way, TEST1FY PRO...working out really hard with great recomp results.
 
bashar said:
Just to update you guys, I have deceided to take a trip into the dark side. Started epiandro on week 7 of my Osta cycle, going to do 3-4 weeks stack depending on how it goes, so far day 3, complete aggression in the gym, I have a woody all night long and feeling great. The epiandro comes with arimitisine , epilean by epg,, so all is good, Nolva and erase pro+ ready for pct. I also have the new Olympus labs test booster on the way, TEST1FY PRO...working out really hard with great recomp results.
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PCT - Week 3 - Day 15

Forgot to take the bulbine this morning, but quite honestly I don't miss it. Sticking with no creatine for the rest of the week.
This evening I am not feeling well, so decided to skip the workout and drag myself to bed. I hate not feeling well. I feel like I should work out anyway, but I know that if I do, I will just make matters worse and probably end up missing 2-3 days instead. Plus the fact that the more intense the sickness, the harder the toll on your body.
So it becomes reason vs freak. Reason saying "rest up and get back in form as quickly as possible", while freak says "omg! I can feel the gains literally slipping away by the minute". Of course checking in the mirror that things look good only helps so far.

This is what's going on:

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I'm really tempted to end the PCT after week three and trying some MK-677 while waiting the time out until I can run another cycle.

Thoughts?
 
UncleSarm said:
PCT - Week 3 - Day 15

Forgot to take the bulbine this morning, but quite honestly I don't miss it. Sticking with no creatine for the rest of the week.
This evening I am not feeling well, so decided to skip the workout and drag myself to bed. I hate not feeling well. I feel like I should work out anyway, but I know that if I do, I will just make matters worse and probably end up missing 2-3 days instead. Plus the fact that the more intense the sickness, the harder the toll on your body.
So it becomes reason vs freak. Reason saying "rest up and get back in form as quickly as possible", while freak says "omg! I can feel the gains literally slipping away by the minute". Of course checking in the mirror that things look good only helps so far.

This is what's going on:
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Haha!

I bet,that is how most of us feel!
OMG, I forgot the post workout shake! Running to the mirror... : I knew it, all gains are lost, look at that!.

Get better soon buddy, nothing is lost!
 
On another note since I've been in the hospital cause baby girl was born. I've been freaking out I'm waisting my cycle taking a few days off but I would give up all the gains in the world for my new little baby ��
 
unreal89 said:
On another note since I've been in the hospital cause baby girl was born. I've been freaking out I'm waisting my cycle taking a few days off but I would give up all the gains in the world for my new little baby ��
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As long as you have enough strength to hold her in your arms -and change the diapers, it will be okay.

:fing02:
 
Burnfire said:
Finish pct as you had planned and start the MK-677 tonight
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Crap, you're pulling a smith_69 on me: "stick with the plan". Yeah you're right, I should just stay the course. However I will be waiting until after PCT for the MK-677 as I want to see how the Rebirth comes through, as it's all research for the next cycle.
That is why I was thinking of cutting PCT short. Ok, two more weeks of PCT.
 
UncleSarm said:
Crap, you're pulling a smith_69 on me: "stick with the plan". Yeah you're right, I should just stay the course. However I will be waiting until after PCT for the MK-677 as I want to see how the Rebirth comes through, as it's all research for the next cycle.
That is why I was thinking of cutting PCT short. Ok, two more weeks of PCT.
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Well he sounds like a good guy then

Do you have a SERM your taking? That's the reason I say stick to your plan. Run your clomid or nolva as planned, then start your Rebirth.
 
Burnfire said:
Well he sounds like a good guy then

Do you have a SERM your taking? That's the reason I say stick to your plan. Run your clomid or nolva as planned, then start your Rebirth.
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No SERM. sanmarino did a great rundown of my values from the pre-PCT bloods and, because my LH and FSH levels were almost right in the middle of the normal range, he said a SERM was not necessary, so I decided that I didn't want to add any unnecessary stress on my body. I am doing a 4-week OTC PCT with Rebirth as the Estrogen Modulator, and bulbine and DAA as test boosters. So far I am feeling good, libido is e****lent, and I'm liking what I see in the mirror. My waist measurement has continued dropping and the weight has only come down slightly. I actually look bigger in the mirror so most likely I am still dropping fat and getting more definition. I used to be able to pinch an inch around the bellybutton, but now it's more like pinching 1/8".
My only complaint is that bulbine gives me horribly stinky gas, although I have read people say that DAA gave them real stinky stool.

And yeah, smith_69 is a good guy. I was really liking the cycle and thinking of extending it, but he suggested sticking to the plan rather than to start going seat-of-the-pants commando. And it makes total sense. If you've planned your cycle carefully you know what the next steps are and minimize surprises. If you make it up as you go, you run higher chances of getting into issues you hadn't considered. Every so often though it's good to have someone keep you steady on course ... with so much to try, it's easy to get impatient.
 
I am not an expert here, but there is a good article on priceplow.com about pct, it says it's better to avoid serm if your are planing another cycle, putting the body through a roller coaster is more dangerous than bridging...all the best unclesarm and hope you feel better soon.
 
bashar said:
I am not an expert here, but there is a good article on priceplow.com about pct, it says it's better to avoid serm if your are planing another cycle, putting the body through a roller coaster is more dangerous than bridging...all the best unclesarm and hope you feel better soon.
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That sounds about right. I did a 6-week Osta cycle and now running a 4-week PCT, which means I'm looking at 10 weeks (about 3 months) before starting another cycle. However I'm thinking of doing some MK-677, which is non-hormonal, during that time.
 
I don't know how suppressive is mk677, if it is something like osta then doing it during pct is not a wise idea... I would check with some of the experts first.
 
Just for completeness here is a link to a thread on BLR's Rebirth that I am using for PCT. I posted some links to research that got me interested in trying it out. Invalid Link Removed
 
I have started cutting on creatine, my pre workout has 2-3 grams of creatine nitrate and i was taking 4-5 grams extra...i want to monitor any unwanted changes, side-effects in my body, creatine was inflating me too much to see whats happening! I will look for a creatine free pre-workout and use it for now...
 
bashar said:
I have started cutting on creatine, my pre workout has 2-3 grams of creatine nitrate and i was taking 4-5 grams extra...i want to monitor any unwanted changes, side-effects in my body, creatine was inflating me too much to see whats happening! I will look for a creatine free pre-workout and use it for now...
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switch to creapure
 
PCT - Week 3 - Day 19

Dealing with stubborn flu symptoms in these past few days. It's not strong enough to actually be a full blown round of flu, but stubborn enough that I am not able to just shake it. But if I workout, it's enough of a stress for me to pay for it the next day. On the upside, this didn't happen during the cycle or it could have been a waste.
Other than these achey flu symptoms, I am not feeling any lethargy or sluggishness, and actually the last two days libido has been quite high, so I cannot complain there. What I see in the mirror looks good. I am curious to see what my test level will be at the end of PCT. Some online "literature" has indicated that after an Osta cycle, test levels rebound back higher than before the cycle. That would certainly be nice for continuing to put on muscle and dropping fat. So far I like what I see in the mirror and wouldn't mind continuing improvements.
 
PCT - Week 3 - Day 20

Today was an off-day for bulbine and tomorrow is also an off-day. I am thinking of leaving it out of the last week and just continue with the Rebirth and the DAA. In the last week I am also thinking of halving the DAA down, while keeping the Rebirth at the same level. I am feeling quite fine, other than the tail end of the quasi-flu.
 
UncleSarm said:
What would be really nice is if the rebound was permanent, not just temporary for a couple of weeks. I haven't seen anyone address that.
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That would be nice indeed, But I think the reason why no one adresses that is that it's just not permanent haha.
 
PCT - Week 3 - Day 21

End of week 3. One week left in PCT. Today was an off-day for bulbine but I have changed my mind on leaving it out of the last week. I think I am going to keep it in at half the dose, keep the DAA in at half the dose, and keep the Rebirth at the regular dose. The reason I changed my mind ... ok, here is where you might want to stop reading because it gets personal, you're warned ... is that this morning, I noticed my testicles being nice and plump. So yeah, I took an extra few minutes this morning appreciating their fullness and plumpness. You know, like when you pick up a nice ripe avocado at the supermarket and kind of bounce it in your hand before you put it in the cart. Pretty much just like that.

Other than these almost-flu symptoms, I am feeling good. I am going to space my workouts to every other day and keep them light, so I don't aggravate whatever it is I have and end up back in bed for a day.
 
UncleSarm said:
PCT - Week 3 - Day 21

End of week 3. One week left in PCT. Today was an off-day for bulbine but I have changed my mind on leaving it out of the last week. I think I am going to keep it in at half the dose, keep the DAA in at half the dose, and keep the Rebirth at the regular dose. The reason I changed my mind ... ok, here is where you might want to stop reading because it gets personal, you're warned ... is that this morning, I noticed my testicles being nice and plump. So yeah, I took an extra few minutes this morning appreciating their fullness and plumpness. You know, like when you pick up a nice ripe avocado at the supermarket and kind of bounce it in your hand before you put it in the cart. Pretty much just like that.

Other than these almost-flu symptoms, I am feeling good. I am going to space my workouts to every other day and keep them light, so I don't aggravate whatever it is I have and end up back in bed for a day.
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ugg- hate that man, nothing worse than feeling sick - looks like all of got hit at the same time- get better
 
smith_69 said:
ugg- hate that man, nothing worse than feeling sick - looks like all of got hit at the same time- get better
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Reminds me of the joke about the two friends hanging out and one says "I got crabs from the maid and gave them to my wife." The friend says "You gave them to your wife??" He says "Yup." The friend says "Great! Because you couldn't keep it in your pants, now we all have crabs."

:silly:

So now we are all feeling sick.

:silly:
 
UncleSarm said:
Reminds me of the joke about the two friends hanging out and one says "I got crabs from the maid and gave them to my wife." The friend says "You gave them to your wife??" He says "Yup." The friend says "Great! Because you couldn't keep it in your pants, now we all have crabs."

:silly:

So now we are all feeling sick.

:silly:
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LOL
 
UncleSarm said:
Reminds me of the joke about the two friends hanging out and one says "I got crabs from the maid and gave them to my wife." The friend says "You gave them to your wife??" He says "Yup." The friend says "Great! Because you couldn't keep it in your pants, now we all have crabs."

:silly:

So now we are all feeling sick.

:silly:
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and hurry up and get done with your pct - we got some Cerberus to run
 
UncleSarm said:
What the heck is Cerberus?? After I am done with PCT, I have 10 weeks of off time before the next cycle.
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:hitwithrock:


Sparta Nutrition
 
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hello unclesarm and everyone. How powerful is Rebirth as a Serm vs. nolva? I have both at hand ready. Decided to end my journey end of the month. A total of 10 weeks, 8 osta solo @25, 2 weeks osta/epiandro. No side effects and feeling great ( except for a mild cold), great recomp results and vascularity, I am researching my PCT options at this stage!
 
bashar said:
hello unclesarm and everyone. How powerful is Rebirth as a Serm vs. nolva? I have both at hand ready. Decided to end my journey end of the month. A total of 10 weeks, 8 osta solo @25, 2 weeks osta/epiandro. No side effects and feeling great ( except for a mild cold), great recomp results and vascularity, I am researching my PCT options at this stage!
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Nolva is more powerful, for sure, but it also has more sides, so it places more stress on your system than an OTC like Rebirth. It's like an M-16 vs an RPG. You can shoot a guy hiding behind a wall and put a little hole in the drywall, which you can fill with some Spackle. Or you can take his a$$ out along with the entire wall.

When you take AAS, your LH and FSH end up below the minimum levels and your test levels drop to less than 0.01. So the purpose of Nolva or Clomid is to jumpstart your testes and get your LH and FSH levels as high as possible to get production of test going as fast as possible. After an AAS cycle you want to jump on Nolva or Clomid. However, *in general*, after an Osta cycle your test may be below minimum values, but nowhere near 0 and your LH and FSH levels should be within normal range. With your LH and FSH levels already within the normal range, your testes don't need jumpstarting, they are already working so you don't really need Nolva. A test booster is more important.
Of course, the end values are user dependent. Getting bloods is the sure way to know if you can skip Nolva and go for Rebirth.
If you had only done Osta and you were feeling fine, I would have said you were likely relatively fine going with Rebirth, but in your case, I have absolutely no clue what the effects of epiandro are, so I have no recommendation.
Maybe one of the guys that have experience with epi can jump in.
 
PCT - Week 4 - Day 22

Now starting into my last week of PCT. I am keeping the bulbine in the PCT, but cutting the dose in half. Because the Rebirth is one capsule twice a day, I have been taking one Rebirth capsule along with half of the DAA and half of the bulbine in the morning and then the same at night. Now, I am just taking the Rebirth in the morning and in the evening Rebirth with the half doses of DAA and bulbine. I figured that test levels are higher in the morning, so the evening would be a better choice, to keep test levels up.
 
Thank you, rebirth logs look impressive, but I will probably go with Nolva to play it safe, not worth taking any risks for sure. I also got a monster test booster waiting, Olympus labs testify pro, it's a limited run, highly recommended if you can find it.

olympus-labs.com/product/test1fy-pro-2/
 
PCT - Week 4 - Day 25

I am not shaking this low grade flu. Whenever I feel good enough to do a workout I feel crappy the next day, despite the fact that I keep it light, just to keep the muscles running.
I am still losing weight, although it seems that the scales drop is tied to my waist. When my waist shrinks, the weight follows, so I am hoping that I'm not just losing gains. The mirror test still passes, so I'm honestly just a little confused as I am not 100% sure how to take it. It would suck to lose all gains made on cycle.
Also yesterday I didn't get home until late and I missed on taking my evening PCT compounds. As I only take the DAA and bulbine at night, I effectively missed a day of PCT. Added to the wight measurements from yesterday, I'm just a little peeved.
Three days left in the PCT, then it will be time for final bloods and finishing up this cycle and thread.
 
PCT - Week 4 - Day 28

Today is the last day of PCT. I did not take bullbine today just because I kind of had enough of the gas that it gives me.

All that is left is the post PCT bloods. Unfortunately, the next two days I am going to be slammed, so won't have time to draw the blood and get to the post office for next day delivery, so most likely it won't happen until Monday. I am anxious to see what my results are.
As in the past, I will post the results to this thread and that will close out this cycle.

After that, it will be a couple of months of chomping at the bit before a new cycle. I am still undecided whether to do another Osta cycle (at 15-20mg for 8 weeks) or give LGD a try next. In the meantime I will be watching the logs of the guys running the new Sparta and Focused Nutrition products to see what their gains are. However, I'm not sure I am ready for those kinds of compounds yet. Not ready for the training wheels to come off yet! Even the thought of giving LGD a go kind of freaks the bejesus out of me.
 
UncleSarm said:
PCT - Week 4 - Day 28

Today is the last day of PCT. I did not take bullbine today just because I kind of had enough of the gas that it gives me.

All that is left is the post PCT bloods. Unfortunately, the next two days I am going to be slammed, so won't have time to draw the blood and get to the post office for next day delivery, so most likely it won't happen until Monday. I am anxious to see what my results are.
As in the past, I will post the results to this thread and that will close out this cycle.

After that, it will be a couple of months of chomping at the bit before a new cycle. I am still undecided whether to do another Osta cycle (at 15-20mg for 8 weeks) or give LGD a try next. In the meantime I will be watching the logs of the guys running the new Sparta and Focused Nutrition products to see what their gains are. However, I'm not sure I am ready for those kinds of compounds yet. Not ready for the training wheels to come off yet! Even the thought of giving LGD a go kind of freaks the bejesus out of me.
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last day, FINALLY

anywho-
since you ran Osty,

I believe the Sparta will be a great product- so just waiting on that to get here. If for some reason you choose to stick to Sarms, run LGD-
 
bashar said:
Thank you, rebirth logs look impressive, but I will probably go with Nolva to play it safe, not worth taking any risks for sure.
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Good call. Playing it really safe would be Clomid and Nolva. I personally don't get sides from either, so I always play it safe. And I haven't seen bloodwork from Nolva only, but Clomid will make the use of any "Test Booster" a waste of money.
 
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