First Osta cycle

UncleSarm said:
Yes, I totally see where you stand on this issue. Planning to run for Congress? :439:
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congress , hmm

a vote for me is a vote for PH

i will never add or pass any ph future bill
 
I would continue cycle if you feel OK. More gainz! I did 10 weeks but was very lethargic the last weeks.
I also dropped the creatine a week into my current cycle and had the same dilemma, didnt understand sh1t when the scale was down a few lbs. I think I hold a lot of water weight on creatine, is 2-4.5lbs possible?
 
DonnieM said:
I would continue cycle if you feel OK. More gainz! I did 10 weeks but was very lethargic the last weeks.
I also dropped the creatine a week into my current cycle and had the same dilemma, didnt understand sh1t when the scale was down a few lbs. I think I hold a lot of water weight on creatine, is 2-4.5lbs possible?
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Funny we all stopped taking creatine while running Osta

I was also,taking creatine the first 2 weeks, I had been on creatine quite a bit and had been taking it after every work out since its a key ingredient in one of my post workout drinks
On non training days I would also take 5g,of creatine sometime during the day. I decided since I was CUTTING the creatine and post work out crabs were counter productive now I just take 40gram whey isolate after my workouts. I would absolutely agree creatine adds some water weight as i hit a pretty low weight I haven't seen in years (222 first thing in the morning ) ..

I want to add though that even without the creatine my body weight fluctuates anywhere from 5 to 7 pounds during the day. There has been days this week I weighed myself in the morning and was 7 pounds heavier later in the day. My body seems to hold onto water pretty easily for some reason.

Anyway I got 1 more week worth of Osta capsules left , and I also had a bit of RC liquid .,I WAS also contemplating extending it from 8 weeks to 10 weeks but I will,make a final,decision next week. Overall I've been pretty happy with the results I've dropped about 7 pounds since starting it didn't lose any strength infact some of my lifts are even up
 
DonnieM said:
I would continue cycle if you feel OK. More gainz! I did 10 weeks but was very lethargic the last weeks.
I also dropped the creatine a week into my current cycle and had the same dilemma, didnt understand sh1t when the scale was down a few lbs. I think I hold a lot of water weight on creatine, is 2-4.5lbs possible?
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I have noticed that I also hold some water weight while on creatine, which is why I wanted to see what would happen if I stopped it for one week. Although I dropped 1 lb of weight, I think I looked a lot more cut. Interestingly, the day before this last weigh-in I would have bet my bottom dollar that the scales would be up by 1-2 lbs.
 
Demgainz said:
I hate logs that don't include PCT. it feels so incomplete. Do you have any before and after pics?
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Well, that settles it, I will keep logging my progress through PCT. Especially, seeing that the initial reason for keeping the log was as a way to give something back to this forum. Thank you guys for your support. I'm flattered and surprised, as this is just an Osta cycle and not anything more ... manly! :laugh:
 
I have been searching and searching for logs and a lot of times you run into incomplete logs. It sucks especially if you have a similar set up and they don't run it to the end and are left guessing whether or not they lost all of their gains during PCT.

I just started a halo/furuza run and that was one of the logs o was looking for and could only find very few that were logged all the way to the end.

I am only a day into it and have been contemplating logging it but j don't want to short change anyone when I am so pressed for time. At this point it is still up in the air since I log it personally on a notebook but I like to be really detailed and I am afraid that it would occupy too much time.
 
UncleSarm, you still planning on doing bloods and possibly running Rebirth? Definitely interested to see how it goes...
 
Ag99 said:
UncleSarm, you still planning on doing bloods and possibly running Rebirth? Definitely interested to see how it goes...
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Yup, just got my blood kit for the post cycle-pre PCT blood test. I won't be able to get to it until Thu morning. Today was supposed to be the last day of the cycle with bloods taken tomorrow morning, however my schedule for tomorrow is packed, so my cycle will be on day longer. Yay!!

Wed will be my last dose of Osta and on Thu I will start taking Rebirth, bulbine, and DAA until the bloods results come back. I know I will probably take some flack for this, but it will only be a matter of days for the results to come back, so I should be fine.
If the bloods come back decent, I will stay on the OTC path, if not I will switch to Nolva PCT.

I will post the blood test results on this thread.
 
As far as before and after pics ... I don't think I have any decent before pics. It's just another item I didn't plan for.

I do have this one, though:
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Cool, thanks for the update. Sounds like a good game plan to me, and those pics are awesome... :)
 
Ag99 said:
Cool, thanks for the update. Sounds like a good game plan to me, and those pics are awesome... :)
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Another reason for doing all these bloods is because I want to do another cycle (or two) in the future. I have a supply of Osta for another six week cycle and a full bottle of OL LGD. So I really want to know exactly how my body reacts to these compounds.
 
smith_69 said:
this was like an algebra problem-

normally i would say just finish it out, but since you already planed for 6, stick with the 6. dont scratch the 7 week itch
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I decided to go with your suggestion and stick to the plan. It will still be an extra day or two until I can draw bloods, but I have decided to just end the cycle as planned. Should be able to draw bloods on Thursday morning and start PCT the same day.
 
PCT - Week 1 - Day 1

Bloods drawn today! So this officially ends my cycle. This evening I will break into the bottle of Rebirth (that just sounds dirty). I've been eyeing it bad intentions for the past couple of days. In the meantime I will be taking Two capsules of Rebirth, 3 tablets of bulbine and three of DAA. And I should get the results back on Monday and take it from there. I will post here what my pre-PCT values are, Probably edit one of the posts at the front go the thread, so people don't have to read through all the drivel to get the good stuff.
 
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PCT - Week 1 - Day 1

Took the first PCT dose. Until bloods come back I will be doing Rebirth + bulbine + DAA , although I am on the fence about DAA. Anyway, took one capsule of Rebirth, 1,500mg bulbine, and 2,250mg DAA. Tomorrow I will double the Rebirth, increase the bullbine to 2,250mg, and up the DAA to 3,000mg ED.

Already feeling my test levels rising! That last may be a bunch of BS, but let's see how I feel over the weekend.
 
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Wow what a thread, excellent gains man and can't wait to see your blood results. I am on week 6 of 25mg osta, 2 more weeks to go! I have upped the creatine lately, My main reason is to workout harder for more benefits while on cycle. wishing you good results and gains.
 
westcoast001 said:
Awesome log man, thanks for taking it the whole way through to and including ptc! Did you notice any shutdown or lethargy?
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Thanks, glad to give back to the forum. On this cycle I have not had any lethargy, no shutdown, nothing negative really. Workouts have been more intense and had no soreness the next day at all, regardless of how hard I trained.
 
bashar said:
Wow what a thread, excellent gains man and can't wait to see your blood results. I am on week 6 of 25mg osta, 2 more weeks to go! I have upped the creatine lately, My main reason is to workout harder for more benefits while on cycle. wishing you good results and gains.
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Thanks! How is your cycle going? What are your gains so far?
I considered going longer than six weeks, but smith_69 convinced me to stick with the plan and not get greedy. This is my first cycle, so I should take it cautiously. Once I have more data, there is always time for another cycle.
Yeah, I've always used creatine and I liked it with Osta. I think there is some synergy there. But I wanted to see what would happen if I stopped it for a week. Initially I felt a dip, but then things just picked up after 2-3 days.
 
PCT - Week 1 - Day 2

Today I doubled the PCT dose by taking one Rebirth capsule, 1,500mg bulbine, and 2,250mg DAA in the morning and then again in the evening. I am not feeling any lethargy, or shutdown. Libido is a little up and quite honestly I am feeling a little sore. 'Nuff said.
One colorful side effect, and I am quite sure it's the bulbine because it happened when I took bulbine earlier during the cycle, is that there is no way I could pass gas unnoticed since I started PCT. It is absolutely lethal ... the silent killer. :far2t:
 
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My cycle is going great so far, this is my first cycle as well. I am 44 and I lift heavier than guys half my age, bench press is up, deadlifts are more easy. Getting shredded and starting to see Abs! I had a bit of a bumpy ride in the first two weeks, I immidiettly suspected OSTA....but no, it was the lack of sleep that was screwing my energy and performance in the gym and probably my gains.Two more weeks to go, curious to see your blood work, I haven't taken a scientific approach to this.
 
PCT - Week 1 - Day 3

Today was the first weigh day during PCT. So today I weighed in at 174.5 lbs, down 0.5 lbs from last week. I could say that I am not happy about it, but quite honestly, I like what I see in the mirror, my t-shirts fit a little snug around the chest/armpits and my waist dropped by 1/4" to 33 1/4". So my waist is going in the right direction and maybe I can chalk this up to fat loss.
Then again, half a pound can be the difference between having used the bathroom, or having had an extra bountiful breakfast. I'm not going to freak out about it. I'm still up 6.5 lbs and looking more muscular.
 
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bashar said:
My cycle is going great so far, this is my first cycle as well. I am 44 and I lift heavier than guys half my age, bench press is up, deadlifts are more easy. Getting shredded and starting to see Abs! I had a bit of a bumpy ride in the first two weeks, I immidiettly suspected OSTA....but no, it was the lack of sleep that was screwing my energy and performance in the gym and probably my gains.Two more weeks to go, curious to see your blood work, I haven't taken a scientific approach to this.
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Awesome! Looks like Osta is treating you well. I loved my cycle. Modest gains, but easy, with no sides. I definitely want to do another cycle, but my blood results will determine if I do and what I do.
Realistically it would likely be another Osta cycle, but for 8 weeks. Or a 4-6 weeks LGD solo cycle at 8-12mg with all bloods done, like this Osta cycle. Once I have all the data, I would like to do an LGD cycle, closing with Osta. But it's all dreams right now! I need to focus on bringing this cycle to a close, learn from it, and not get greedy.
This is also another reason for posting on this forum. If I get stupid ideas, I am sure that quite a few of the guys here will call me out on it and give me straight-up, no bull**** feedback. I mean ... let's be honest. My cycle ended with a gain of about 1 lb per week for 6 straight weeks. Last time that happened was never. So you can imagine how hard the temptation is to say "f*** it" and jump onto something else.
 
UncleSarm said:
Awesome! Looks like Osta is treating you well. I loved my cycle. Modest gains, but easy, with no sides. I definitely want to do another cycle, but my blood results will determine if I do and what I do.
Realistically it would likely be another Osta cycle, but for 8 weeks. Or a 4-6 weeks LGD solo cycle at 8-12mg with all bloods done, like this Osta cycle. Once I have all the data, I would like to do an LGD cycle, closing with Osta. But it's all dreams right now! I need to focus on bringing this cycle to a close, learn from it, and not get greedy.
This is also another reason for posting on this forum. If I get stupid ideas, I am sure that quite a few of the guys here will call me out on it and give me straight-up, no bull**** feedback. I mean ... let's be honest. My cycle ended with a gain of about 1 lb per week for 6 straight weeks. Last time that happened was never. So you can imagine how hard the temptation is to say "f*** it" and jump onto something else.
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Let me know how your bloods come back. I just ran Osta 25mg for 2 months, I can't get a doctor's appointment for 3 weeks so I cant run bloods at the moment. Something tells me based on how I feel I'm not shut down, but, just to be safe I have some Clomid and Nolva left over from my last prohoromone cycle so I kinda wanna get rid of it , it's liquid so I don't know how long these research chrms stay stable. Gonna do the Clomid 75mg for a week then nolva 30mg for a week plus I will be throwing in DAA and possibly tribulus.

Anyway, I am pretty happy with the Osta myself I steadily cut weight and body fat throughout the whole cycle, while not losing any stength or muscle so it seems
I started out at 235 and now I'm at 225 so a solid loss of 10 pounds while still keeping my strength. Overall a good experience , I'm going to continue cutting until I get down to 215 but, I ran the osta for 8 weeks don't want to extend it any further

Will def use again
I used rock hard supps Ostashred btw
 

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dredmentia said:
Gonna do the Clomid 75mg for a week then nolva 30mg for a week
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Both the Clomid and the Nolva seem high. In his guide, yates84 recommends Clomid at 50/25/25 for Osta, so instead of 75mg for one week, you could do two weeks at 50/25. Also Nolva is usually 20/10/10 for Osta, so instead of 30mg for one week, you could do two weeks at 20/10, or three at 10/10/10. If I were you I would not take more than is necessary. Hopefully someone else will jump in and give a more informed recommendation than me.
 
I would rather run pct longer with low dose than short at high dose. For Nolva I'd do 10/10/10 or 10/10/5/5. (Or just get more serm).
 
I probably have about 2 weeks worth of nolva and 2 works of Clomid at those low doses. As I said, its liquid from a research chem company so it's not like I have the pills nfront of me to measure and plan out . but. I can definitely consider doing a lower dose of both
 
Please keep the log until PCT is over, it's always interesting how it turns out.
Cheers, HG
 
PCT - Week 1 - Day 5

The blood results came in today. I have to admit that the results are quite interesting.

Did I mention that my hamstrings are still feeling sore from the yoga class two days ago?? Definitely noticing the fact that I am no longer taking Osta.
 
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PCT - Week 1 - Day 5

The post-cycle / pre-PCT blood results came in today.

These are the results of the blood taken on Feb 4, around midday:
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TESTOSTERONE                   4.3     nmol/L       7.6 - 31.4         (124  ng/dl    219 - 905.4)
SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB       14      nmol/L       16 - 55
FSH                            4.2     IU/mL        1.5-12.4
LH                             4.0     IU/mL        1.7-8.6

TESTOSTERONE/SHBG Ratio        30.7    24-104
Lab note: Your testosterone / SHBG Ratio indicates that your available testosterone is within the normal range albeit at the lower end.

We can see that the testosterone is quite low, although I feel totally fine. No lethargy, no loss of libido. I think this is perfect evidence that your levels can be quite low but you might feel totally perfect. This is also evidence that Osta is suppressive.

For LH and FSH, unfortunately I do not have baseline values from prior to the cycle, but, roughly, LH is in the middle of the range, and FSH is closer to the 1/3 mark of the range.

What I find interesting and quite honestly I don't understand it, is the comment from the lab: "your available testosterone is within the normal range". The ratio may be normal, but both testosterone and SHBG are below lower limits. Anyone care to weigh in on this?
 
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jackurbody said:
Youl be back to normal in no time. Mild suppression as known, nothing serious though. Good work.
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Based on this, I am comfortable staying on the current OTC PCT with Rebirth, bulbine, and DAA. I wasn't expecting values as low as this, honestly. I was already thinking about the next cycle, but the current plan is to stay on PCT for a full 4 weeks and then take 3 months off before doing anything else.
At the end of the PCT I will get another set of bloods that covers hormones and a lipid panel, to compare to pre-cycle levels.
 
Great work and thank you for sharing, did you decide on what serm your going for and dosage? I will be following your footsteps soon, thank you!
 
Wow I guess Osta lowered the SHBG quite a bit!
Im no expert but my understanding from your Docs comment is that because your SHBG is lowered and even though your 'total test' is lower than pre-cycle, it gives you a 'free test' value within normal low range.
 
bashar said:
Any clomid or nolvadex planned?
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Our posts must have crossed. As I posted above, my LH values and FSH are on the low side but not shattered. I am feeling fine so I am planning to stay on the OTC PCT for a full 4 weeks. However, if I start feeling like crap, I am going to reach for the Nolva and run it at the recommended dose of 20/10/10.
I am currently taking BLR Rebirth that is an OTC estrogen modulator. I will post the link to the study relating to e.cottonii, which is one of the ingredients.
Jebrook I said I would ping you if I was going down the OTC path.
 
UncleSarm said:
The post-cycle / pre-PCT blood results came in today.

These are the results of the blood taken on Feb 4, around midday:
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TESTOSTERONE                   4.3     nmol/L       7.6 - 31.4         (124  ng/dl    219 - 905.4)
SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB       14      nmol/L       16 - 55
FSH                            4.2     IU/mL        1.5-12.4
LH                             4.0     IU/mL        1.7-8.6

TESTOSTERONE/SHBG Ratio        30.7    24-104
Lab note: Your testosterone / SHBG Ratio indicates that your available testosterone is within the normal range albeit at the lower end.

We can see that the testosterone is quite low, although I feel totally fine. No lethargy, no loss of libido. I think this is perfect evidence that your levels can be quite low but you might feel totally perfect. This is also evidence that Osta is suppressive.

For LH and FSH, unfortunately I do not have baseline values from prior to the cycle, but, roughly, LH is in the middle of the range, and FSH is closer to the 1/3 mark of the range.

What I find interesting and quite honestly I don't understand it, is the comment from the lab: "your available testosterone is within the normal range". The ratio may be normal, but both testosterone and SHBG are below lower limits. Anyone care to weigh in on this?
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Thanks for posting results, good to see some actually being objective with their cycles and following through to the end. What was your dosage and duration again? sorry if i've asked this previously.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Please keep the log until PCT is over, it's always interesting how it turns out.
Cheers, HG
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No worries. I had enough people ask me to log through the PCT. Seeing that I need to the PCT, I might as well keep recording. I will record daily, include weigh days values, and then the final bloods at the end of PCT. I will probably get them done some time after the end of PCT, but I will post them to this thread.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Cool, pretty damn suppressive on total T then, In line with mw1 who's total T was almost zero after a bit longer of a cycle. Interested to see your numbers at end of PCT.
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Yeah, will do.

People have asked for before and after pictures. Think I should post before and after of my testicles? You know, like "these these are my testicles; these are my testicles on Osta"? :laugh:
 
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