First non oral cycle.

BJJChris

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So I'd like to start by saying I've been a voyeur in the PH world for about 4 years. I'm looking to run my first test e cycle. I'm 25, 5'8'' and about 160. Pretty lean, about 8 to 10%bf. I do jiu jitsu 6 days a week and lift 3. I also do push ups and crunches every day. I'm looking to gain about 15 pounds, but also stay fairly lean. I'm a bit of a hard gainer. I'm thinking of a 10 to 12 well cycle of test e stacked with winny or dbol to start it out. I don't have anything on hand right now, I'm just doing a little more research and would like any input involving the cycle or pct.

Thanks.
 
Blow J Junkie! Whaddup!?!
Layout your cycle for us from all that voyeurism and research you've done...
Like this:
Test E 500/week. Week 1-12
Winny 50/day week 1-6
Pct: Torem 90/60/60/30

Oh crap, I just did it for you...
 
That's pretty accurate haha

would it be alright to run winny for the entire duration of the cycle?

I didn't put it in proper format because nothing is in stone yet.

Thanks though
 
BJJChris said:
That's pretty accurate haha would it be alright to run winny for the entire duration of the cycle? I didn't put it in proper format because nothing is in stone yet. Thanks though
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I would never recommend running an oral for 12 weeks straight unless you're getting bloods every 4 that show your liver isn't trying to climb out of your body.
 
superbeast668 said:
I would never recommend running an oral for 12 weeks straight unless you're getting bloods every 4 that show your liver isn't trying to climb out of your body.
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Yeah, ive been taking milk thistle a while to get ready for the orals. I've just been debating on how long would be safe to take it.
 
BJJChris said:
Yeah, ive been taking milk thistle a while to get ready for the orals. I've just been debating on how long would be safe to take it.
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Milk thistle is crap. NAC at minimum. UDCA and TUDCA are far better options. I still wouldn't recommend more than 6. Besides. 12 weeks on winni and your joints will be screaming bloody murder.
 
BJJChris said:
Alright. Do you have any other recommendations for stack options to stay lean besides winny?
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Drugs don't make you lean diet does. Don't eat like sh-t and you'll remain lean. If you find your holding water slightly increase your AI doses and back off carbs for a little while.
 
You do jujitsu so you should stay lean(besides some extra water) on anabolics. You lift, right? Just saw pushups n stuff....
 
Yes. I lift 3 or 4 days a week, do jiu jitsu 6 days a week, and do body weight exercises every night. I'm looking to stay lean. I don't want to lose too much flexibility. But I'd like to gain 15 to 20 pounds.
 
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