first m-sten cycle and first log

rascal14 said:
I had a lump form up a couple times as well on this cycle, I'm not sure if it was from the Msten or Tren. I never had that problem on Epistane, but you can definitely tell. There is a lump and it is definitely annoying and hurts a little bit. I also got some burning sensations too, but 10mg of Nolva before bed seemed to help it go away. I finally got some Aromasin in though and started running it at 12.5mg eod to be safe.
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Yeah thats weird, I know Tren increases prolactin though, which could be the cause. Not really lumps for me (pubertal gyno) but think I will do 12.5mg exem EoD like you too unless people think otherwise.
 
rascal14 said:
I also think my lump and sensitivity went down after I stopped stressing about it and touching or messing with it any.
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Haha this. I need to do this.
 
Don't sweat that bp. People have that bp for decades without issues. And, as stated, you will certainly know if you have gyno. It'll be irritating as hell.
 
Sorry for not posting in a few days. Been feeling like crap. Huge headaches throughout the day for a few days now. I think its vision related as my vision is blurry and feels straining. When I lay down and close my eyes, it helps and headache goes away for a bit, but comes back. Feels like tension headaches and pressing on muscles in the surrounding area like temporalis help to relive it for a bit. Also, aching in occipital region.

Been feeling tired too and not like lifting. Have an eye doctors friday. Hopefully something changes.
 
highlander31 said:
Sorry for not posting in a few days. Been feeling like crap. Huge headaches throughout the day for a few days now. I think its vision related as my vision is blurry and feels straining. When I lay down and close my eyes, it helps and headache goes away for a bit, but comes back. Feels like tension headaches and pressing on muscles in the surrounding area like temporalis help to relive it for a bit. Also, aching in occipital region.

Been feeling tired too and not like lifting. Have an eye doctors friday. Hopefully something changes.
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Damn hope its nothing bad bro! Goodluck with the doc. You still at 20mg?
 
bennoes said:
Damn hope its nothing bad bro! Goodluck with the doc. You still at 20mg?
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I bumped it to 25mg last saturday, but I am going to bump it down today. Maybe even try 15mg today just to be sure its not too high of dosing. I had this headache thing start up before I bumped it to 25mg.

I will keep you updated.
 
Been feeling ****ty this past week. Lifts have been good, but headaches are constant still and my nipples are starting to worry me. Been getting lethargic too.

I even bumped Dermacrine to 4 pumps per day, but it hasnt impacted energy levels really. Also, I have a feeling this is aromatizing. Shouldnt Dermacine combat Lethargy and not aromatize?

I am worried about my nipples still as they are still puffy and watery just at the nipple. I have been dosing 12.5mg exemestane every day along with 100mg or so of Formestane every day, but the nipples havent gone down.

Last night I took 10mg Tamoxifen before bed and they looked better in the morning, but they are right back to puffy like how theyve been this afternoon, possibly a bit worse. Seems like the afternoon into evening is when they get really puffy. Not really much irritation, its just scaring me and I am thinking about going into PCT in a day or 2 if it doesnt regress or gets worse.

Please, any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
Swolljaboi said:
Running any prolactin control?
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Been running powerfull (mucuna/chloryphytum combo) full dose at night since the start of the cycle and recently encorporated Vitrix (had it for free and contains chasteberry along with tribulus and a few other herbs)
 
It almost looks like my skin is a whiter color around my nipple almost like a 1/2 cm wide white ring around my nipple. Or is it me just seeing things?
 
Strange from what I've read estrogen isn't usually a problem from msten but of course everyone is different. I wish I could offer more advice my friend. Hopefully some more experienced members will chime in.
 
Its pharma/script. Watched the bottle get opened myself too.
 
Damn. Got me worried about my cycle next month. And I'm planning to run Trest with it. I might have a nice set of tits by the end of March.
 
Swolljaboi said:
Damn. Got me worried about my cycle next month. And I'm planning to run Trest with it. I might have a nice set of tits by the end of March.
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From all my research this is pretty abnormal. Had a friend of mine run msten with only cycle support, no AI or serm and had no issues at all. even kept sex drive all the way through. so who knows.
 
Hmmm, not quite sure as to what the problem might be. Besides you, I've never had or have never heard of anyone having any issues like this.
 
well shoot. Its not good being the odd man out.
 
mixedup said:
Tom or nolva plus the aromasin it's what I'm running for my gyno flare up. Coach got real worried one week got on nolv.20mg ed I'm about two weeks I was pretty normal
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So it took you about 2 weeks before flare up died down?

Also, what dose of aromasin?
 
I'm At 12.5mg EOD And 20mg Of Tamox daily. It's really the serm in my opinion that decreases the gyno and the aromsin ensures nothing new form's

Take a look at my cycle log pg 6 or 7 I have a before pic you can see right pec is predisposed to gyno but look at current pics and not really noticeable
 
Try taking 20 mg of Nolva on day 1 and the next 4 days take 10 mg. This will should help with any type of nip problems
 
jmyers said:
Try taking 20 mg of Nolva on day 1 and the next 4 days take 10 mg. This will should help with any type of nip problems
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Should I jump into PCT now? Or just run those few days of tamox and see what happens staying on cycle? I only have another 5-7 days left on cycle as is.
 
highlander31 said:
It almost looks like my skin is a whiter color around my nipple almost like a 1/2 cm wide white ring around my nipple. Or is it me just seeing things?
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Sounds like prolactin and not gyno. Inhibit P by SNS works great to inhibit prolactin.
 
IMO if you are experiencing these issues with only 5-7 days left than I would just PCT now. You aren't going to miracously put on another 15 lbs. of insane/quality muscle, lol.
 
jmyers said:
IMO if you are experiencing these issues with only 5-7 days left than I would just PCT now. You aren't going to miracously put on another 15 lbs. of insane/quality muscle, lol.
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Yup. If it's so close to PCT I'd just jump into PCT. 20/20/10/10 and get some Clomid and Inhibit P like I said above just to be safe.
 
Tagger said:
Sounds like prolactin and not gyno. Inhibit P by SNS works great to inhibit prolactin.
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That's interesting b/c Msten does not cause prolactin issues. But, like it's always stated....everyones body reacts differently to compounds
 
jmyers said:
That's interesting b/c Msten does not cause prolactin issues. But, like it's always stated....everyones body reacts differently to compounds
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I have ran sten before without issues but yah everyone is different. I was just thinking from what he said about the white ring and any whitish tint sounds like prolactin.
 
I hear yeah bro. I think we all have experienced some adverse sides that aren't supposed to be "normal"
 
Thanks for all this input guys. Tagger - I have been using mucuna product and product with chasteberry (but no P5P) think its still worth it to get inhibit P even tho its the same ingredients?

Also, my thoughts too on jumping into PCT. I have been holding steady at 225, so I cant ask for more than that and can only hope to hold it.

Have a bit of Nolva, but not much as I was planning on Clomid PCT with aromasin on hand and dosed at the end. I need to see if I can get my hands on some Nolva in the next 5 days...
 
highlander31 said:
Thanks for all this input guys. Tagger - I have been using mucuna product and product with chasteberry (but no P5P) think its still worth it to get inhibit P even tho its the same ingredients?

Also, my thoughts too on jumping into PCT. I have been holding steady at 225, so I cant ask for more than that and can only hope to hold it.

Have a bit of Nolva, but not much as I was planning on Clomid PCT with aromasin on hand and dosed at the end. I need to see if I can get my hands on some Nolva in the next 5 days...
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Hmmmm I think you should be good without the inhibit P.

Keep eating to hold onto it.

Yah definitely get enough for PCT. I hear a double combo of Nolva and Clomid really help.
 
Tagger said:
Hmmmm I think you should be good without the inhibit P.

Keep eating to hold onto it.

Yah definitely get enough for PCT. I hear a double combo of Nolva and Clomid really help.
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Agreed, you should be good w/o the inhibit P. Keep you calories the same during PCT. All the guys who drop their calories like 500-800 calories when they hit PCT are only hurting themselves. Your body needs those calories to hold onto the size you've put on b/c your body is not supposed to have it. If you start getting a little puffy than add in a little cardio. Definitely get some Nolva. Tagger is right that the combo of Nolva/Clomid is really helpful
 
Welp just ordered inhibit P hahaha but thats ok, I can either use it, or save it and have it on hand for next cycle now I know/assume I am prolactin prone (sort of knew to begin with and tried to keep support for it up, but looks like it came on)

Also ordered Eliminate and Magnitropin along with it to use with Clomid and hopefully some Nolva.

Thanks so much for all your help guys.

PCT will look like this:

Clomid - 50/50/25/25
Nolva lets hope - 20/20/10/10
Exemestane - 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5eod/12.5eod (will feel this one out more)
Magnitropin
Inhibit P
Eliminate - 50mg ED
DAA based Test Booster
Mucuna based sleep product with ecdysterone


Will post pictures soon
 
highlander31 said:
Welp just ordered inhibit P hahaha but thats ok, I can either use it, or save it and have it on hand for next cycle now I know/assume I am prolactin prone (sort of knew to begin with and tried to keep support for it up, but looks like it came on)

Also ordered Eliminate and Magnitropin along with it to use with Clomid and hopefully some Nolva.

Thanks so much for all your help guys.

PCT will look like this:

Clomid - 50/50/25/25
Nolva lets hope - 20/20/10/10
Exemestane - 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5eod/12.5eod (will feel this one out more)
Magnitropin
Inhibit P
Eliminate - 50mg ED
DAA based Test Booster
Mucuna based sleep product with ecdysterone


Will post pictures soon
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Run the inhibit P too just in case.

I think of it like this...

Even if it costs a little more, at least your protecting yourself from damage that in the worst case scenario (gyno) can only be reversed via surgery.
 
Prolactin issues from what I have seen are different than the typical gyno, gyno you can minimize by several degrees or get rid offl totally without surgery, but if your nips develop prolactin that means you will be a squirter for some time, not sure on that entirely tho.
 
Tagger said:
Hmmmm I think you should be good without the inhibit P.

Keep eating to hold onto it.

Yah definitely get enough for PCT. I hear a double combo of Nolva and Clomid really help.
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I love the Nolva Clomid combo in pct it's kind of old school but Clomid really keeps up my testicular volume
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Prolactin issues from what I have seen are different than the typical gyno, gyno you can minimize by several degrees or get rid offl totally without surgery, but if your nips develop prolactin that means you will be a squirter for some time, not sure on that entirely tho.
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What do you mean by this Abe?
 
Sorry fir the late entry, been slammed man Yeah iv never seen these sides come off msten. As far as prolactin goes, I got prolactin sides off EPI or clomid after pct, so it is possible.
Pct protocol looks good. Make sure to run that AI 2 weeks past your serms.
Keep cals where they are now to hold onto that mass. Add cardio or adjust carbs if you feel puffy or any water retention.
 
I should really get prolactin levels checked at some point to see if theyre elevated in me regularly. However, sex drive is always there pretty strong too.

Thanks for all your input everyone it has not only helped me out a ton, but kept me from going insane haha
 
highlander31 said:
I should really get prolactin levels checked at some point to see if theyre elevated in me regularly. However, sex drive is always there pretty strong too.

Thanks for all your input everyone it has not only helped me out a ton, but kept me from going insane haha
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Did you only take sten? Mine was pretty high too on sten.
 
Tagger said:
Did you only take sten? Mine was pretty high too on sten.
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I was only taking Msten, but also with Dermacrine and OL Formestane transdermals.

No sides at all on the first 3 weeks of the run getting to 20mg for most of it. Then boom. This popped up.
 
Update: Day 27 (+/- 1 day)

Start of PCT

Morning weight : 225 lbs (lets keep it there)

Will be gyming it up with the help of Conqu3r, carbs, and aminos.

I have Magnitropin, inhibit P, and eliminate on the way (2-3 day shipping so here Tuesday or Wednesday)
 
Sucks that you had to end it early, hopefully you keep everything you gained. Nolva should really help that nipple problem, it seemed to help me when I had a lump form a couple times this cycle. I'm running a similar post cycle as you, except it's just the Nolva, Clomid, Exemestane, and Super PCT. So I'm gonna keep following and see how it treats you. I've seen some stuff about DAA causing some Prolactin problems so I would keep that in mind too.
 
rascal14 said:
Sucks that you had to end it early, hopefully you keep everything you gained. Nolva should really help that nipple problem, it seemed to help me when I had a lump form a couple times this cycle. I'm running a similar post cycle as you, except it's just the Nolva, Clomid, Exemestane, and Super PCT. So I'm gonna keep following and see how it treats you. I've seen some stuff about DAA causing some Prolactin problems so I would keep that in mind too.
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Yeah it blows but whatre you gunna do. Also, no lumps really formed they just got SUPER puffy, so the inclination we've had is it is prolatin related which Nolva wont really impact, but then again we will see.

Also, any links to DAA increasing prolactin? If so, it would throw off my whole Test booster and I would need to find a new one.
 
Been reading up about DAA via Dr. D (http://anabolicminds.com/forum/advanced-discussion-dr/184160-daa-q-dr.html) and for anyone out there interested, Dr. D concludes DAA and prolactin issues arise when administered long term approx 1.5-2 months or greater. Short term (4 weeks for me), especially PCT since HPGA is getting restarted, shouldn't impact prolactin much and shouldn't be worried about it really. Also, will be using Inhibit P.
 
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