First epi cycle questions

conwict

conwict

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Hi,

I've done a ton of reading and decided I am going to try Epi out. I have a bottle on the way.

I'm currently 6'1 180, 22 yo, and ~8% (real 8% not internet 8%) bodyfat...I was about 205 and dieted down recently.

Here is my "protocol" I've worked out to see the effects on my body, and the cool part is it will only use 1/2 the bottle.

Pulse cycle
Week 1 10/20/30 + 100mg DHEA daily
Week 2 30/40/30 + 150mg DHEA daily
Week 3 30/40/50 + 200mg DHEA daily
Week 4 50/50/50 + 100-150mg DHEA daily
Week 5 start taking Hawthorn berry, Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, Potassium, vit. E, Milk Thistle and use until the bottles run out (25-30 days of it)
Week 9 see if I want to go back on and use the other 47 pills and some DHEA, or if I want to stay off longer.


Fish oil @ high doses and tons of supplemental protein throughout.

I am going to train HARD and heavy with some extra stuff for higher volume, plus weighted "doggcrap" style stretching, 3x/week, the split will be Back/lateral delts/hams, Chest/triceps/biceps, and quads/calves.

Thinking of having 3000 cal per day every day, which would be 500 over maintenance. I do want to gain some considerable mass though, so input on tweaking the # of calories is appreciated. All calories will be 100% clean. I am definitely considering going higher with the calories though, because fat gain doesn't seem to be much of an issue on Epi.

Also, would it be a good idea to do 4wks on/4 off/4 on/4 off with this protocol, or should I take more time off between? I am set on pulse cycling, and I am happy with my choice for supplements in the off-weeks.

Finally, if this stuff works as it has for others, I plan on buying a couple of bottles to throw in the freezer. But I have read that after using a bottle or so it is best to switch to another designer in order to prevent acclimation. What would a good choice be, legal and not too expensive with similarly few sides? I am a bit of a hoarder, so I would like to get info about what to get along with 2 more bottles of Epi for the long term. Don't plan on running cycles very often, maybe 1-2x per year.

Thanks a lot for the help. I may keep a log. Lovin' the forums here.

C
 
Oh yeah, one more thing.

I am taking the DHEA morning and night and the Epi around the workout. 10 before workout, or 10 before/10 after, 20/10, or 20/20, or 30/20.

Sample workout nutrition
30 min before workout, 20mg epi
15 min before workout, 120 cal of 75% Waxy Maize+15% Hydrolyzed Casein+10% BCAAs
Train
Toward end of workout, 120cal of WMS+HC+BCAAs
10-20 min later, pop 10mg epi
20 min later, 1 scoop Whey Isolate Ion-exchange
30 min later, huge meal of carbs and protein with no fat

Also, I was thinking of "stocking up" on 1 bottle of hyperdrol, 1 bottle of anabolic innovations PCS, and 1 more bottle of epi for later. Either that or 1btl epi + 1btl furazadrol. But that isn't too important, I'm more interested in input about my current planned cycle.

All input appreciated...
 
everything looks very well thought out. i personally will never pulse, but ur set-up looks good

are u pulsing 4 or 6 weeks?

the upside to pulsing is theres no need for PCT. but i would give my body a good 4 weeks after the pulse to start up again
 
nosnmiveins said:
everything looks very well thought out. i personally will never pulse, but ur set-up looks good

are u pulsing 4 or 6 weeks?

the upside to pulsing is theres no need for PCT. but i would give my body a good 4 weeks after the pulse to start up again
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Probably just four weeks. That way, I can get two cycles out of one bottle. That's dang cheap, as we say around these parts. If the stuff arrives on Friday like it sez, I will start Monday and dose M/W/F for four weeks. Then onto my herbal pseudo PCT and then, if everything seems ok, maybe another pulse for 4 weeks after that.

The training and diet are going to be intense. I've looked at a good number of epi logs, pulse and otherwise, and it seems like you get out what you put in in terms of nutrition and gym efforts. I don't expect it to be a magic pill...

Thanks
 
good stuff man, u clearly did ur homework which isnt very common around here believe it or not.

u will probably have better gains from 6 weeks than 4, but enjoy
 
nosnmiveins said:
good stuff man, u clearly did ur homework which isnt very common around here believe it or not.

u will probably have better gains from 6 weeks than 4, but enjoy
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So you still think I wouldn't need SERM/AIs after 6 weeks? Most of what I read showed people who thought 4 was fine with no real PCT, but 6-8 required PCT.
 
conwict said:
Probably just four weeks. That way, I can get two cycles out of one bottle. That's dang cheap, as we say around these parts. If the stuff arrives on Friday like it sez, I will start Monday and dose M/W/F for four weeks. Then onto my herbal pseudo PCT and then, if everything seems ok, maybe another pulse for 4 weeks after that.

The training and diet are going to be intense. I've looked at a good number of epi logs, pulse and otherwise, and it seems like you get out what you put in in terms of nutrition and gym efforts. I don't expect it to be a magic pill...

Thanks
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Im just goin to say, you mite want to look at a couple of pct threads that have been posted by people who ran pulse cycles. Particularly with epi. There are many cases with gyno a month after. Just be careful
 
conwict said:
Probably just four weeks. That way, I can get two cycles out of one bottle. That's dang cheap, as we say around these parts. If the stuff arrives on Friday like it sez, I will start Monday and dose M/W/F for four weeks. Then onto my herbal pseudo PCT and then, if everything seems ok, maybe another pulse for 4 weeks after that.

The training and diet are going to be intense. I've looked at a good number of epi logs, pulse and otherwise, and it seems like you get out what you put in in terms of nutrition and gym efforts. I don't expect it to be a magic pill...

Thanks
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Personally I would run 6 weeks....and I always run some sort of PCT.
I ran a 6 week Havoc pulse with 4 weeks PCT...I went as high as 60mgs. though

My thought on PCT is better safe than sorry. You don't necessarily have to run a PCT(specially for a 4 week pulse), but it certainly can't hurt. Better to slightly overdue it than underdo it.


Good luck
 
I've heard a lot of people say to keep a SERM on hand "just in case" so I am going to order tamoxifen citrate and keep it in the fridge.

My thinking is that with a 4 week pulse, I probably won't need a SERM. But I want to know what indications would show that I would need it, and if I do need it I will run it at 40/40/20/20. But how do I know if I need it?

So, "just in case" people...fill me in :) Thanks
 
conwict said:
I've heard a lot of people say to keep a SERM on hand "just in case" so I am going to order tamoxifen citrate and keep it in the fridge.

My thinking is that with a 4 week pulse, I probably won't need a SERM. But I want to know what indications would show that I would need it, and if I do need it I will run it at 40/40/20/20. But how do I know if I need it?

So, "just in case" people...fill me in :) Thanks
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40 would be way to high for a 4 week pulse.

20/20/20/20 would be fine
 
Okay, great, thanks.

So, if I am experiencing excessive testicular atrophy, excessive puffiness of my nipples, loss of energy/depression, etc toward the end of the cycle I should go ahead and start the 20/20/20/20 when I end the epi? I am pretty sure that's what you're sayin'.

These forums are GREAT. Right now I'm Learnin' but maybe I can help Teach when I get a log or at least some before/after pics up.

Oh, and I would still love to have my other question answered:

I'm gonna grab 1-2 more bottles of epi and another bottle of another PS/PH for long term storage after this cycle. What should I look at for the other option? Currently considering H-drol or Furazadrol. Think I'll just go with furazadrol...

Also, does everyone think 4 pulse/4 off/4 pulse/4 off sounds like a reasonably good idea?

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Thanks everyone.

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Furazadrol it is. I will figure out whether to do a second pulse on week 9 based on my results and feelings at the time.

Here is the MWF split I am using.

*=focus on mind-muscle connection

Back/shoulders/hams
A1 3x3 hang snatch
A2 3x5 deadlift
Weighted p-chain stretch 60 sec
B1 4x6 DB rows*
B2 3x8 close-grip pull-up
Lat stretch 60s each side, trap stretch 30s each side
C1 3x12 alternating one-DB lateral raise*
C2 3x9 rear DB fly*
D1 1xMax Time bent-over 2.5 plate hold for rear delts
D2 1x20 cable lateral raise
Shoulder stretch in squat rack (DC style) 60 sec

Chest/triceps/biceps
A 3x5 wide flared leaning dips
B 4x8 Decline DB flared bench press*
C1 2x12 standing cable chest press*
C2 2x15 DB pullover+fly combo*
Weighted stretch in dip station 60s, weighted "Fly" stretch on bench 60s
D1 3x5 skullcrushers
D2 3x5 BB curl
E1 2x10 overhead cable triceps extension*
E2 2x12 standing alternating DB curl*
F 1x100 cable curl, close grip
Weighted triceps stretch 60s each, bicep stretch in squat rack 60s

Quads/calves
A. 4x5 no rest DB seated calf raise
B. 5x5 (Reg park style) High bar deep back squat
C. 3x8 close, low position leg press*
D. 1x20 wide, medium position leg press
Weighted quad stretch off bench 60s each
E 3x12 calf raise on leg press machine*
Weighted calf stretch in leg press 60s

Reg Park style means first two sets are fairly light warmup, last three sets are each heavier than the previous.

That just leaves the question of calories per day. I'd really like some suggestions there, from someone with experience.

Thanks.
 
i just ran epi m,w,f for 4 weeks i didnt go any higher than 20mg. i gained about 6lbs. started milk thistle 2 weeks before and ran the whole cycle. im on the TNT stack..this is my 4th week and i have had nothing but good things during my pct.. i havent noticed any sides
 
ohiostate2827 said:
i just ran epi m,w,f for 4 weeks i didnt go any higher than 20mg. i gained about 6lbs. started milk thistle 2 weeks before and ran the whole cycle. im on the TNT stack..this is my 4th week and i have had nothing but good things during my pct.. i havent noticed any sides
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what did you take on your off days? i may consider an epi pulse...:think:
 
ohiostate2827 said:
im 29yrs old 5,9- about 170-175 bf 7% i try to get around 2500-3000 cals a day.
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Based on that I'm thinking 2800-3300 since I weigh 180 right now. I am as lean as I've been for a pretty good while, and I'd love to gain weight and get leaner. Also, I know that I can keep cals clean in that range, as opposed to going up to 4.5-5k (I've done it before, and I just don't have the time or cash for that much clean food). I think hard training + clean cals + epi will get me some good results. Maybe I will change this to a log if I can edit the title.
 
conwict said:
Based on that I'm thinking 2800-3300 since I weigh 180 right now. I am as lean as I've been for a pretty good while, and I'd love to gain weight and get leaner. Also, I know that I can keep cals clean in that range, as opposed to going up to 4.5-5k (I've done it before, and I just don't have the time or cash for that much clean food). I think hard training + clean cals + epi will get me some good results. Maybe I will change this to a log if I can edit the title.
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thats the hard part $$$$ to eat clean for me.
 
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