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First cylce - Epi, no SERM

metalman

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So I have been lifting for quite a while now, upping my weight from around 155 to about 190, but I have really hit a plateau and want to try running a cycle of Epistane or similar. Unfortunately in Canada I don't have access to a serm, and would therefore be using OTC PCT products. Are the risks of sides too great to consider use without having a serm on hand? If gyno or other sides start to appear can simply go to the doctor for a SERM. I know this question has been asked before, but I can't really see a Canadian doc saying "tough Sh*t, deal with your boobies.

Let me know what you fellow Canadians have been doing, as research chemicals for pet experiments are a no go for Canadian customs.

Finally, how many Albertan's on the board have been able to get there supps in from Nutraplanet. Small order the key?
 
I can only hypothesize from reading that you could pulse epistane to reduce sides considerably, and long term benefits are keeping your gains. There is a good thread on that written by a gentleman who made IBE Epistane.

SERM wise, again.. from reading it seems that you want to control estrogen from rebounding, and also turn on your shutdown testes. I would look at natural alternatives for these 2 conditions and read and read some more, and study it.

These are the areas of concern, personally I would try out some of the natural products out there that will restore your testes such as Sustain Alpha, GetDiesel products, USPLabs.. No particular order, and I have used products from GetDiesel and USPLabs and they are top notch in my book, Some good reading behind SustainAlpha and good feedback as well which is why I suggested it.

By the way how old are you?
MK9
 
Thanks for the response MK9,

I'm 23 and have been lifting since about 17. I have done tons of reading on both conventional as well as OTC PCT products, and it seems that OTC PCTs might cut it for some of the designers with lower sides such as epistane and hdrol. I've done some reading on the various products that are out there like sustain alpha, reversitol, AI Post cycle....etc, but it makes me a little nervous that sides are still quite common, and that the SERM on hand thing seems like a must. I will do more reading on the pulse method, as the lowered risk of sides may well be worth it.

And yes as you stated, the main worries are estrogen related sides, as well as shutdown.

Thanks
 
SERMS are by no means the end all be all since they also have sides themselves which for some reason are not mentioned, and you can read more about this on ProimordialPerformances site, and it is listed somewhere if I recall correctly.
Yeah I would be nervous as well running this stuff, mild is a relative term between the experienced and a first timer..
At 23 I would refrain completely until I was at least 27, and you will choose to do what is best for you. If I were to start a cycle, I want the least amount of sides and the max amount of returns and keep them.
MK9
 
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