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Blythy

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So my army career is coming to a end and wanting to follow my dreams being a pro bodybuilder I'm contesting to go on test 250 could anyone give me cycle advise and any advice on what I should have on hand ie pct thank you this discussion board is amazing I thank you all[/QUOTE]

And should I mix with tren?
 
So my army career is coming to a end and wanting to follow my dreams being a pro bodybuilder I'm contesting to go on test 250 could anyone give me cycle advise and any advice on what I should have on hand ie pct thank you this discussion board is amazing I thank you all

And should I mix with tren?[/QUOTE]

I’m certainly no expert but I think most people are going to tell you to do test only for your first cycle, 500mg per week split into two injections. Have a SERM and an AI on hand. Get your nutrition dialed in.

And definitely don’t use tren for any of your first few cycles.

This board and google searches will net you hundreds of posts about cycles, pct, and everything in between. I did months of research before my first cycle. You should do the same, you can really F your S up if you don’t use common sense.
 
So my army career is coming to a end and wanting to follow my dreams being a pro bodybuilder I'm contesting to go on test 250 could anyone give me cycle advise and any advice on what I should have on hand ie pct thank you this discussion board is amazing I thank you all

And should I mix with tren?[/QUOTE]

It's just very risky to add tren. If you go even a little too high you might end up being completely messed up in your head for weeks. Coming off tren is what's hard mostly. Only steroid I've ever felt so emotionally messed up that I had a hard time separating my own thoughts from reality.
 
If you're really serious about being a pro BB, what are your current stats? frankly, it could be a bit of a pipe dream if you;'re not already pretty huge especially if you are just starting to cycle.
 
So my army career is coming to a end and wanting to follow my dreams being a pro bodybuilder I'm contesting to go on test 250 could anyone give me cycle advise and any advice on what I should have on hand ie pct thank you this discussion board is amazing I thank you all

And should I mix with tren?[/QUOTE]

First cycle test only, maybe test c 2x200mg per week, my advice for cirst cycle would always be to go less than 500mg per week, if you respond well you will grow like weed on 350-400 mg test, my first cycle was 300mg of test p per week and I had great results. Tren on first cycle big NO, you can add some milder oral like anavar last 6 weeks, but best option only test. AI on hand (arimidex or aromasine), pct serms and lot of vitamins and high fat intake few weeks after cycle, good luck
 
Height, weight, body fat %?
 
If you're really serious about being a pro BB, what are your current stats? frankly, it could be a bit of a pipe dream if you;'re not already pretty huge especially if you are just starting to cycle.

I have been in the military for few years now and the size and form are there just need a little more effort lol thanks bro
 
I have been in the military for few years now and the size and form are there just need a little more effort lol thanks bro

Honestly bro, aas aren’t magic beans, anyone getting anything decent out of cycles will have the nutrition and work ethic nailed on as a natty. Your stats and your own admission suggest you have a little way to get that set first.

Personally I’d wait 6 months, sort nutrition and training, get below 15% bf (as that would then suggest you’ve dialled in and sustained nutrition) and then cycle. You’ll get more in the long run.....
 
And should I mix with tren?

It's just very risky to add tren. If you go even a little too high you might end up being completely messed up in your head for weeks. Coming off tren is what's hard mostly. Only steroid I've ever felt so emotionally messed up that I had a hard time separating my own thoughts from reality.[/QUOTE]

This is so true...so very very true. That being said...Im going to dance with the devil again this week. 100 eod of ace...if stuff gets hairy...Im done.
 
So my army career is coming to a end and wanting to follow my dreams being a pro bodybuilder I'm contesting to go on test 250 could anyone give me cycle advise and any advice on what I should have on hand ie pct thank you this discussion board is amazing I thank you all

And should I mix with tren?[/QUOTE]So youre 6 ft and 209lbs at 19% bf. So 40lbs is body fat. I would not reccomend aas til your nutrition is on point. Aas messes up your lipids and bp. If you are not doing cardio and/or eating healthy it will only make these worse. Tren is definately something you should not use. You are not ready. It is one of the most toxic aas and can really mess with your mind if your not ready. You also have to worry about estrogen and prolactin. Do more research. If you dont know what a basic cycle is and ai and pct then youre not ready for a test only cycle. Dont depend on internet people to tell you how to take care of ur body. Would u ask us what to do if ur having a heart attack? Aas can have life long implications. You could become impotent if you dont do things correctly. Find out for yourself what to do if things go sideways
 
Not really advice your give ING me is it! Thought this was a brother hood helping each other when u first started on steroids who was there for you?! Did u ask around!
 
Not really advice your give ING me is it! Thought this was a brother hood helping each other when u first started on steroids who was there for you?! Did u ask around!
Did you read my response above? The only thing you pulled out of it was to dispute that you were 95 kilos. The point im making is that approximately 1/4 of your mass is comprised of body fat. That is unhealthy and shows you have no dedication or discipline when it comes to nutrition. Nutrition is 80% of bodybuilding. It is the primary reason you will gain muscle and lose bodyfat. Do you know why most of the guys at the gym taking aas dont look like bodybuilders? Sure they get big but after they come off they look exactly like everyone else. They dont get striated, vascular, and muscle seperation. This is because they are not dedicated to nutrition. This is the hardest part.
 
I also told you not to do tren. To do research. So you know what to do if something goes wrong. I can tell you what to do but everyone reacts differently. Some people get elevated estrogen really easy while others do not. I can take 12.5 aromasin once a week while some have to take it everyday. Do you know how to tell if ur estrogen is high or low? Do you know what to do if ur pct doesnt work? Do you know what pct to do?do you know the difference between the different ais? This is not something you do and everything is ok. Ive seen many many young people thinking they know everything and later are writing because their dicks dont work anymore. Im trying to tell you to take the safe slow approach. Read read read and read some more. Research cycles and threads. Yes theres a lot of bs but youll see the common themes.
 
Not really advice your give ING me is it! Thought this was a brother hood helping each other when u first started on steroids who was there for you?! Did u ask around!
I didnt go on the internet asking people what i should do with my body. I found out for myself then asked what i couldnt find or didnt understand. Im not trying to tell you not to do it or make you look dumb. Im tryong to educate you so you do it the right way. The natural hormone balance is very delicate. You need to know how to manipulate your bodies hormones to get the desired effect. Aas are hormones derived from testosterone. Test converts to estrogen. Estrogen can raise prolactin. Estrogen and prolactin in males can cause you to grow female breasts and even in some cases lactate like a pregnant woman. If your hormonal levels are not in balance your dick will not get hard either. Have you ever been with a woman and you cant get hard? It is not a good feeling. Im trying to help you prevent that. Afterall whats the point of looking good if you cant **** the women you get from looking good
 
And 19% bf is me guessing I have not measured at all as I'm currently away on tour

Best way is to upload some pictures. We all want to help you, but you are not weighlifter who looking for strength gains from gear, you want to look good. So if you are really around 19% bf you will just make damage for no results, on that body fat % you would not see any physical changes while you using gear. Diet is the most important part of bb, there is no magic pills friend, hard work, diet, cardio and then gear. If you dont have good meal plan, good training plan, gear can t do too much.
 
Well give me your knowledge please x I am beihfg slow I'm not going on it until Aug 2019 just want to get all advice now see I do listen to u haha
 
Don't know why it sent two but I am taking it slow getting all the info now I'm concerned mostly on my diet trying new things
 
Well give me your knowledge please x I am beihfg slow I'm not going on it until Aug 2019 just want to get all advice now see I do listen to u haha
If you want to get ur nutrition in order you need to stop eating all processed foods. They are junk. If you dont cook it fresh dont eat it. Fresh lean meats like chicken breast, salmon, eggs, beef, tuna,etc. Good carb sources like rice, beans, quinoa. Lots of veggies. Lots of water. No alcohol, soda, etc. Have a structured daily meal plan. Im currently eating 5-6 meals a day.
Meal 1 8 eggs
Meal 2 1 cup cottage cheese and fruit
Meal 3 8 oz of meat 1 cup rice 1/2 cup veggies
Meal 4 same as meal 2
Meal 5 protein shake
Meal 6 same as meal 2
This is a basic meal plan. You need to first find your amt of cals where you wont gain and wont lose. From that you can manipulate carbs and fats to cut or bulk. Everyone reacts differently. I have a very fast metabolism so i burn a lot of cals daily. You need to experiment to see how ur body reacts to different nutrition plans. Dont do the plan above. It is tailored to me. Its a framework so you get the idea. It may make you gain weight whereas i am slowly cutting
 
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You have a good base. I would say do a test only cycle. Research test only cycles, pct and ai. You can google these and it will take you to a lot of threads. Just remember on cycle its easy. If you want to keep the gains when you come off nutrition and working out are even more important. Dedication and self control are key. Also remember its a marathon not a sprint. In my experience the gains that come really fast go away just as fast. Slow and steady is the way to go. 5 lbs of gains after your first 2 cycles is a good cycle. The first 1-2 cycles you will gain 10-15 but after that you will not have the same results
 
Wouldn’t most say that if you legitimately are determined to become the best bodybuilder you can be and want to choose this as a profession, you should just b&c until you reach your goals? if that is truly your goal, why would you cycle?
 
If you want to get ur nutrition in order you need to stop eating all processed foods. They are junk. If you dont cook it fresh dont eat it. Fresh lean meats like chicken breast, salmon, eggs, beef, tuna,etc. Good carb sources like rice, beans, quinoa. Lots of veggies. Lots of water. No alcohol, soda, etc. Have a structured daily meal plan. Im currently eating 5-6 meals a day.
Meal 1 8 eggs
Meal 2 1 cup cottage cheese and fruit
Meal 3 8 oz of meat 1 cup rice 1/2 cup veggies
Meal 4 same as meal 2
Meal 5 protein shake
Meal 6 same as meal 2
This is a basic meal plan. You need to first find your amt of cals where you wont gain and wont lose. From that you can manipulate carbs and fats to cut or bulk. Everyone reacts differently. I have a very fast metabolism so i burn a lot of cals daily. You need to experiment to see how ur body reacts to different nutrition plans. Dont do the plan above. It is tailored to me. Its a framework so you get the idea. It may make you gain weight whereas i am slowly cutting

I'd wither away and starve on this.

Try:

1: 1 cup oatmeal, 2tbs PB, 50g protein shake with 16 oz whole milk
2: Same shake from meal 1, 1 banana, 1/2c grapes, 8 oz fiber drink
3: 1/2lb cheeseburger
4: same as meal 2 but with 1c dry oat cereal and no fruit (honey bunches, Raisin Bran, etc)
5: 10 oz steak, 1c green beans, 1c pasta.
 
You have a good base. I would say do a test only cycle. Research test only cycles, pct and ai. You can google these and it will take you to a lot of threads. Just remember on cycle its easy. If you want to keep the gains when you come off nutrition and working out are even more important. Dedication and self control are key. Also remember its a marathon not a sprint. In my experience the gains that come really fast go away just as fast. Slow and steady is the way to go. 5 lbs of gains after your first 2 cycles is a good cycle. The first 1-2 cycles you will gain 10-15 but after that you will not have the same results

Thank you I guess I can come to u more as my journey will begin
 
I'd wither away and starve on this.

Try:

1: 1 cup oatmeal, 2tbs PB, 50g protein shake with 16 oz whole milk
2: Same shake from meal 1, 1 banana, 1/2c grapes, 8 oz fiber drink
3: 1/2lb cheeseburger
4: same as meal 2 but with 1c dry oat cereal and no fruit (honey bunches, Raisin Bran, etc)
5: 10 oz steak, 1c green beans, 1c pasta.
Im trying to recomp to single digit bf. High protein low carb. Has worked for me so far
 
If you want to get ur nutrition in order you need to stop eating all processed foods. They are junk. If you dont cook it fresh dont eat it. Fresh lean meats like chicken breast, salmon, eggs, beef, tuna,etc. Good carb sources like rice, beans, quinoa. Lots of veggies. Lots of water. No alcohol, soda, etc. Have a structured daily meal plan. Im currently eating 5-6 meals a day.
Meal 1 8 eggs
Meal 2 1 cup cottage cheese and fruit
Meal 3 8 oz of meat 1 cup rice 1/2 cup veggies
Meal 4 same as meal 2
Meal 5 protein shake
Meal 6 same as meal 2
This is a basic meal plan. You need to first find your amt of cals where you wont gain and wont lose. From that you can manipulate carbs and fats to cut or bulk. Everyone reacts differently. I have a very fast metabolism so i burn a lot of cals daily. You need to experiment to see how ur body reacts to different nutrition plans. Dont do the plan above. It is tailored to me. Its a framework so you get the idea. It may make you gain weight whereas i am slowly cutting

Absolutely love this thank you
 
Absolutely love this thank you
I disnt see most my progress til i got my nutrition in order. Youll see what im talking about. I dont want to make you think im 100% on this. Im not. Im round 80%. I enjoy some snacks here and there. At holidays i eat like a pig for the holiday meal but when its over im on point. Have a cheat meal once a week. Itll help you keep on point. Just remember you only cheat urself if you stray so the amt of progress you make is dependant on you
 
Guys I'm off to bed thought let you know I will reply in the morning but advice has again been amazing thank you all
 
How did u find your strength being on high protein
Protein builds muscle. Carbs provide your energy and strength. I follow carb cycling program. What i gave u is a generic cookie cutter plan. I follow it but alter it to my goals and needs. When on cycle i can get away with less carbs. Off cycle i need a lil more to have strength. Fat are changed as well off cycle because fats are important in natural test production. I always try to remain at about 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight tho
 
And should I mix with tren?
So youre 6 ft and 209lbs at 19% bf. So 40lbs is body fat. I would not reccomend aas til your nutrition is on point. Aas messes up your lipids and bp. If you are not doing cardio and/or eating healthy it will only make these worse. Tren is definately something you should not use. You are not ready. It is one of the most toxic aas and can really mess with your mind if your not ready. You also have to worry about estrogen and prolactin. Do more research. If you dont know what a basic cycle is and ai and pct then youre not ready for a test only cycle. Dont depend on internet people to tell you how to take care of ur body. Would u ask us what to do if ur having a heart attack? Aas can have life long implications. You could become impotent if you dont do things correctly. Find out for yourself what to do if things go sideways[/QUOTE]

Nice post new guy...stick around
 
And 19% bf is me guessing I have not measured at all as I'm currently away on tour

Do you have any abs without flexing and good lighting? If not, you’re too high.

We’re not trying to be dix here but being honest. If those are your stats you don’t have much of a natural base yet and are at a high enough bf that the sides will be far worse than if lower.

Listen to the people who have been there already and are looking out for your life not just the next weekend
 
Do you have any abs without flexing and good lighting? If not, you’re too high.

We’re not trying to be dix here but being honest. If those are your stats you don’t have much of a natural base yet and are at a high enough bf that the sides will be far worse than if lower.

Listen to the people who have been there already and are looking out for your life not just the next weekend

Well, I mean I've been pretty big before, on AAS, and didn't have abs til I hit Winstrol the first time and cut out all carbs. So, it's not like a guy is going to die running his first cycle as long as he's not middle aged yet and has at least a somewhat normal metabolism, no heart problems.

BUT, you're absolutely right that you need a solid base of SOMETHING whether that's training experience (fantastic routine and form) and nutrition, strength, low bodyfat, any one of those things. For years. Or it's not worth the risk.
 
Do you have any abs without flexing and good lighting? If not, you’re too high.

We’re not trying to be dix here but being honest. If those are your stats you don’t have much of a natural base yet and are at a high enough bf that the sides will be far worse than if lower.

Listen to the people who have been there already and are looking out for your life not just the next weekend

We go through this same routine with at least one dude doing something he shouldnt and knowing nothing about it. I dont think anyone has listened yet...lol
 
Do you have any abs without flexing and good lighting? If not, you’re too high.

We’re not trying to be dix here but being honest. If those are your stats you don’t have much of a natural base yet and are at a high enough bf that the sides will be far worse than if lower.

Listen to the people who have been there already and are looking out for your life not just the next weekend

Bro? Have you seen some of the guys on the board that are running gear? Lol I 100% agree with being at a specific BF% before using AAS but that’s falling on deaf ears. You can jump into numerous logs here and see guys on gear that are well above 20%.
 
Bro? Have you seen some of the guys on the board that are running gear? Lol I 100% agree with being at a specific BF% before using AAS but that’s falling on deaf ears. You can jump into numerous logs here and see guys on gear that are well above 20%.

Hey hey hey...im getting down there..from a 365 pound PL to cut aint easy. I ran gear with my BF in the 20s...but I didnt give a crap about what I looked like...purely for strength and size. Now that Im down about 60 pounds...I can clearly so the aesthetic effects of gear with a clean diet. But there is no reason he cant cut while running gear...hell Im cutting very effectively on a gram a week of Test E.
 
Hey hey hey...im getting down there..from a 365 pound PL to cut aint easy. I ran gear with my BF in the 20s...but I didnt give a crap about what I looked like...purely for strength and size. Now that Im down about 60 pounds...I can clearly so the aesthetic effects of gear with a clean diet. But there is no reason he cant cut while running gear...hell Im cutting very effectively on a gram a week of Test E.

Good on you, keep it up.
 
Well, I mean I've been pretty big before, on AAS, and didn't have abs til I hit Winstrol the first time and cut out all carbs. So, it's not like a guy is going to die running his first cycle as long as he's not middle aged yet and has at least a somewhat normal metabolism, no heart problems.

BUT, you're absolutely right that you need a solid base of SOMETHING whether that's training experience (fantastic routine and form) and nutrition, strength, low bodyfat, any one of those things. For years. Or it's not worth the risk.

100% true... its more of a risk factor than a can/not factor for sure.... plenty of whales run wayyy too much gear but the health risks and sides risk skyrocket. For a true cost:benefit though, lower is far superior for sure (in terms of gains and sides)
 
Hey hey hey...im getting down there..from a 365 pound PL to cut aint easy. I ran gear with my BF in the 20s...but I didnt give a crap about what I looked like...purely for strength and size. Now that Im down about 60 pounds...I can clearly so the aesthetic effects of gear with a clean diet. But there is no reason he cant cut while running gear...hell Im cutting very effectively on a gram a week of Test E.

That's a lot of test haha. Lots of pimples?
 
That's a lot of test haha. Lots of pimples?

Ive been running test for so many years I cant even tell when Im on it...I have never gotten any sides. However, it took me 15 years to run a gram a week. I took baby steps for many many years. Next week, test drops to 500 ew and tren A at 100 eod...wish me luck...lol
 
Bro? Have you seen some of the guys on the board that are running gear? Lol I 100% agree with being at a specific BF% before using AAS but that’s falling on deaf ears. You can jump into numerous logs here and see guys on gear that are well above 20%.

Whilst that might be true it doesn’t mean that people should stop giving good advice.

Maybe one day one will listen to it.....
 
I havent read through the whole thread but i just want to say i dont get why people are always saying you need to get lean before running gear. Ive ran gear higher in bf with no sides to speak of. And guess what? I wasnt higher in bf after the cycle. Getting lean is sooooo much easier on gear. That being said i DO believe that you need to have a strong base of lifting and nutrition knowledge before running a cycle or gear wont do you any good. Knowledge and lifting experience= a must. Needing to be at the golden, ever sought after 15% before touching gear? Complete BS
 
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